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#1
ferratus
Sep 30, 2004 11:08:12 I'm just wondering how much of a shakeup there has been in the ranks of the Knights of Neraka. Are the personalities from the SAGA products still in control of their respective offices? Is there still a core of dark mystics who are spreading the vision among the knights, or was retconned out with the revelation that Takhisis was still on Krynn?

Most importantly, since we know there is no place for Mina among the Knights of Neraka anymore, who has seized control as "Lord of the Night"? Personally, I think it is time for a Thorn Knight to be in charge. We also need to know the other two members of the Nerakan triumvirate, the masters of the Lily and Skull Knights.
#2
brimstone
Sep 30, 2004 12:14:20
I'm just wondering how much of a shakeup there has been in the ranks of the Knights of Neraka.

That's a good question. For some reason, I thought it was answered in the AoM book, but for the life of me, I can't think of who they are. I might be thinking of three Thorn Knights though...
#3
Dragonhelm
Sep 30, 2004 12:33:05 I can't remember either. Isn't Theo Drawde (sp?) in charge of the Thorn Knights at the moment?

I believe, though, that the Knights of Neraka have gone the way of ambient magic for good. They've been burned enough by Takhisis.

Now, it's possible that some Skull Knights may have been clerics during the War of Souls, but very unlikely. I think Mina was pretty much it for Takhisis' clerics at the time. Given time, I'm sure this would have eventually changed.
#4
ferratus
Sep 30, 2004 12:39:20 Nope, don't think so, because it was a suprise revelation that Mina wasn't going back to the Knights of Neraka in Amber and Ashes. Unless I completely missed it, I don't think the heads of the other orders are mentioned either.

Hopefully it will be in the upcoming Knights sourcebook. Well, I'll be a little stronger than that. I gosh darn better be in the upcoming Knights sourcebook.

Of course, I'm in no rush to get a knights sourcebook because of the upcoming Solamnia trilogy, because I know that there is going to be a lot of changes in the ranks of the Knights of Solamnia.

I mean, I wouldn't have minded waiting an extra couple of months to absorb the changes brought about by "Wizards Conclave" and get stats for Willim the Black and Mary Sue, I mean Coryn. ;)
#5
Dragonhelm
Sep 30, 2004 12:42:00
Of course, I'm in no rush to get a knights sourcebook because of the upcoming Solamnia trilogy, because I know that there is going to be a lot of changes in the ranks of the Knights of Solamnia.

Good point. I think Jamie mentioned that the knights sourcebook is slated for 2006.
#6
cam_banks
Sep 30, 2004 12:55:48 Theo Drawde is the Lord Knight of the Thorn in my campaign (he actually killed one of the PCs, which was a first for me) although that isn't official by any means. I have the Knights of Neraka more or less split into multiple factions, often within the same Order, to reflect that they're not a singular organization post-War of Souls. General Dogah, for example, has assumed control over the Order of the Lily in eastern Ansalon, capitalizing on Mina's successes in that region and the natural vengeful urges the knights have felt against the minotaurs moving into Silvanesti.

I don't have anybody particular in mind for the head of the Order of the Skull. In my campaign, they've been trying to get Chemosh as their patron, or at least the ones in the region the players are adventuring in have. Others no doubt want nothing to do with the gods, and since the Chemosh-seeking Skulls haven't actually had any luck with that so far, 99% of them are mystics.

I've used the dark knights much more extensively in my game than the Key of Destiny would suggest, as I really do like them as villains and opponents. Theo Drawde and Dogah recently attacked Ak-Khurman with a fleet of a hundred black-sailed ships, and were repulsed at great cost of Legion lives, and it was a memorable event.

Cheers,
Cam
#7
Dragonhelm
Sep 30, 2004 13:00:45
I have the Knights of Neraka more or less split into multiple factions, often within the same Order, to reflect that they're not a singular organization post-War of Souls.

Heroes of Hope had three factions for the Skull Knights. I don't remember them all, but there was something like the Cabal of the Black Heart (??), the Spiritborne, and something else. I can't remember right off hand.

Also, some of the Dark Knights have just become local warlords. I believe Samuval was one of them. Of course, I sometimes get my Dark Knights confused. :embarrass
#8
ferratus
Sep 30, 2004 13:12:30
I don't have anybody particular in mind for the head of the Order of the Skull. In my campaign, they've been trying to get Chemosh as their patron, or at least the ones in the region the players are adventuring in have.

I don't know, I don't think it would be the same organization if it was filled with undead. Of course, then again, what is really the difference between goblins as cannon fodder?

However, I'll stick by my dislike of having a bunch of intelligent undead in the inner circle of the Knights of Nereka, just as a would object to the upper ranks of the Black Robes being all liches. The politics simply isn't as interesting when undead are involved and entrenched.

I myself am personally hoping that they remain as mystics and sorcerers devoted to Takhisis. Just because she is gone, doesn't mean they can revere and worship her. It also doesn't mean there won't be prophecies of her ressurection.

I'm glad to see that the consensus seems to be that Theo Drawde is still in charge of the Thorn Knights, and I could buy Dogah as head of the Knights of the Lily. Theo Drawde would also make an excellent "Lord of the Night".

My pick for the Knights of the Skull? Odilia of Caergoth.
#9
clarkvalentine
Sep 30, 2004 15:23:17
Who Controls the Knights of Neraka

I'm trying to resist the urge to respond "Master Blaster".

My group's encounter with Drawde, while brief, was extremely memorable. "Now is the time to RUN THE HELL AWAY," I seem to recall my White Robe advising his comrades... If Drawde doesn't control them, I'm seriously scared of the person who does.
#10
zombiegleemax
Sep 30, 2004 18:18:06 Odilia in charge of the Knights of the Skull? NOW that would be a great revelation.
#11
zombiegleemax
Sep 30, 2004 22:26:53 where are you pulling the stats for these potential leaders from, or're ya just brewing them up yourselves?
#12
cam_banks
Sep 30, 2004 23:35:19
where are you pulling the stats for these potential leaders from, or're ya just brewing them up yourselves?

The latter, typically. I've grown used to writing up stat blocks...

Cheers,
Cam
#13
Nived
Sep 30, 2004 23:43:18 Well I've been getting some particularly evil ideas... thanks to A&A

Spoilers... big spoilers.... really big spoilers.

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No seriously these are big spoilers

Considering the state of Ariakan in Amber and Ashes there is the possibility the boss could come back to smack his knighthood back into shape. It's a slim chance... but a possibility.
#14
zombiegleemax
Oct 01, 2004 10:49:34
The latter, typically. I've grown used to writing up stat blocks...

Cheers,
Cam

I was mainly wondering if there were mentions of their class and level somewhere in the text for an area's description or something.
#15
Sysane
Oct 01, 2004 12:36:16
Considering the state of Ariakan in Amber and Ashes there is the possibility the boss could come back to smack his knighthood back into shape. It's a slim chance... but a possibility.[/COLOR]

Just curious, what is Ariakan's current condition?
#16
quentingeorge
Oct 01, 2004 17:01:43 Dead, but in a khas piece.
#17
Nived
Oct 02, 2004 0:43:30
Just curious, what is Ariakan's current condition?

Spoilers

He's dead, but he was so ticked his soul never left "To complete its journy" so Chemosh, being the God of Death had fair dibs on it and snatched it before Takky took the world. Now he's using Ariakan's souls as a barganing chip against mommy Zebiom. However since Ariakan is freaking stubborn (see last chapters of the book), he could easily still refuse to leave Krynn once he's freed from Chemosh's grasp. Becoming a ghost... or dare I say it... a Death Knight? Of course his fate is still quite up in the air... but I wouldn't mind seeing his return.
#18
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2004 11:18:45 Thx for spoiler. Its intresting. I have ask me how Ariakan's die and why he is not a Demigod? He has two gods in his bloodline!
#19
Nived
Oct 02, 2004 12:49:26 Hercules, Gilgamesh, Achilles, Odysseus all demi-gods, all mortal (they didn't decide to make Herc immortal till after he died). Doesn't matter if you're half god you're still have mortal... thus mortal.
#20
Sysane
Oct 02, 2004 12:53:52
Spoilers

He's dead, but he was so ticked his soul never left "To complete its journy" so Chemosh, being the God of Death had fair dibs on it and snatched it before Takky took the world. Now he's using Ariakan's souls as a barganing chip against mommy Zebiom. However since Ariakan is freaking stubborn (see last chapters of the book), he could easily still refuse to leave Krynn once he's freed from Chemosh's grasp. Becoming a ghost... or dare I say it... a Death Knight? Of course his fate is still quite up in the air... but I wouldn't mind seeing his return.

Coming back as a Death Knight would be a good twist. DL needs a new uber udead bad guy snice Soth got squished by Big T.
#21
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2004 23:44:48 If Lord Ariakan was to return, which I sincerely hope not (please don´t use the Raist/Tas trick on him!!), he would make a fine leader of the Knighthood he founded! Surely he could unite the three different orders and bring back their old strengths and the concepts that made them so cool pre-SoF.

Another player in the race to control the entire Knighthood could be Sir Elstone Kinsaid - the commander of the Dark Knight forces in Palanthas. Indeed he will be a major player if I have anything to say! ;)

Ravenmantle

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 ferratus Sep 30, 2004 11:08:12	I'm just wondering how much of a shakeup there has been in the ranks of the Knights of Neraka. Are the personalities from the SAGA products still in control of their respective offices? Is there still a core of dark mystics who are spreading the vision among the knights, or was retconned out with the revelation that Takhisis was still on Krynn? Most importantly, since we know there is no place for Mina among the Knights of Neraka anymore, who has seized control as "Lord of the Night"? Personally, I think it is time for a Thorn Knight to be in charge. We also need to know the other two members of the Nerakan triumvirate, the masters of the Lily and Skull Knights.
#2 brimstone Sep 30, 2004 12:14:20	I'm just wondering how much of a shakeup there has been in the ranks of the Knights of Neraka. That's a good question. For some reason, I thought it was answered in the AoM book, but for the life of me, I can't think of who they are. I might be thinking of three Thorn Knights though...
#3 Dragonhelm Sep 30, 2004 12:33:05	I can't remember either. Isn't Theo Drawde (sp?) in charge of the Thorn Knights at the moment? I believe, though, that the Knights of Neraka have gone the way of ambient magic for good. They've been burned enough by Takhisis. Now, it's possible that some Skull Knights may have been clerics during the War of Souls, but very unlikely. I think Mina was pretty much it for Takhisis' clerics at the time. Given time, I'm sure this would have eventually changed.
#4 ferratus Sep 30, 2004 12:39:20	Nope, don't think so, because it was a suprise revelation that Mina wasn't going back to the Knights of Neraka in Amber and Ashes. Unless I completely missed it, I don't think the heads of the other orders are mentioned either. Hopefully it will be in the upcoming Knights sourcebook. Well, I'll be a little stronger than that. I gosh darn better be in the upcoming Knights sourcebook. Of course, I'm in no rush to get a knights sourcebook because of the upcoming Solamnia trilogy, because I know that there is going to be a lot of changes in the ranks of the Knights of Solamnia. I mean, I wouldn't have minded waiting an extra couple of months to absorb the changes brought about by "Wizards Conclave" and get stats for Willim the Black and Mary Sue, I mean Coryn. ;)
#5 Dragonhelm Sep 30, 2004 12:42:00	Of course, I'm in no rush to get a knights sourcebook because of the upcoming Solamnia trilogy, because I know that there is going to be a lot of changes in the ranks of the Knights of Solamnia. Good point. I think Jamie mentioned that the knights sourcebook is slated for 2006.
#6 cam_banks Sep 30, 2004 12:55:48	Theo Drawde is the Lord Knight of the Thorn in my campaign (he actually killed one of the PCs, which was a first for me) although that isn't official by any means. I have the Knights of Neraka more or less split into multiple factions, often within the same Order, to reflect that they're not a singular organization post-War of Souls. General Dogah, for example, has assumed control over the Order of the Lily in eastern Ansalon, capitalizing on Mina's successes in that region and the natural vengeful urges the knights have felt against the minotaurs moving into Silvanesti. I don't have anybody particular in mind for the head of the Order of the Skull. In my campaign, they've been trying to get Chemosh as their patron, or at least the ones in the region the players are adventuring in have. Others no doubt want nothing to do with the gods, and since the Chemosh-seeking Skulls haven't actually had any luck with that so far, 99% of them are mystics. I've used the dark knights much more extensively in my game than the Key of Destiny would suggest, as I really do like them as villains and opponents. Theo Drawde and Dogah recently attacked Ak-Khurman with a fleet of a hundred black-sailed ships, and were repulsed at great cost of Legion lives, and it was a memorable event. Cheers, Cam
#7 Dragonhelm Sep 30, 2004 13:00:45	I have the Knights of Neraka more or less split into multiple factions, often within the same Order, to reflect that they're not a singular organization post-War of Souls. Heroes of Hope had three factions for the Skull Knights. I don't remember them all, but there was something like the Cabal of the Black Heart (??), the Spiritborne, and something else. I can't remember right off hand. Also, some of the Dark Knights have just become local warlords. I believe Samuval was one of them. Of course, I sometimes get my Dark Knights confused. :embarrass
#8 ferratus Sep 30, 2004 13:12:30	I don't have anybody particular in mind for the head of the Order of the Skull. In my campaign, they've been trying to get Chemosh as their patron, or at least the ones in the region the players are adventuring in have. I don't know, I don't think it would be the same organization if it was filled with undead. Of course, then again, what is really the difference between goblins as cannon fodder? However, I'll stick by my dislike of having a bunch of intelligent undead in the inner circle of the Knights of Nereka, just as a would object to the upper ranks of the Black Robes being all liches. The politics simply isn't as interesting when undead are involved and entrenched. I myself am personally hoping that they remain as mystics and sorcerers devoted to Takhisis. Just because she is gone, doesn't mean they can revere and worship her. It also doesn't mean there won't be prophecies of her ressurection. I'm glad to see that the consensus seems to be that Theo Drawde is still in charge of the Thorn Knights, and I could buy Dogah as head of the Knights of the Lily. Theo Drawde would also make an excellent "Lord of the Night". My pick for the Knights of the Skull? Odilia of Caergoth.
#9 clarkvalentine Sep 30, 2004 15:23:17	Who Controls the Knights of Neraka I'm trying to resist the urge to respond "Master Blaster". My group's encounter with Drawde, while brief, was extremely memorable. "Now is the time to RUN THE HELL AWAY," I seem to recall my White Robe advising his comrades... If Drawde doesn't control them, I'm seriously scared of the person who does.
#10 zombiegleemax Sep 30, 2004 18:18:06	Odilia in charge of the Knights of the Skull? NOW that would be a great revelation.
#11 zombiegleemax Sep 30, 2004 22:26:53	where are you pulling the stats for these potential leaders from, or're ya just brewing them up yourselves?
#12 cam_banks Sep 30, 2004 23:35:19	where are you pulling the stats for these potential leaders from, or're ya just brewing them up yourselves? The latter, typically. I've grown used to writing up stat blocks... Cheers, Cam
#13 Nived Sep 30, 2004 23:43:18	Well I've been getting some particularly evil ideas... thanks to A&A Spoilers... big spoilers.... really big spoilers. . . . . . .. ... .... ...... No seriously these are big spoilers Considering the state of Ariakan in Amber and Ashes there is the possibility the boss could come back to smack his knighthood back into shape. It's a slim chance... but a possibility.
#14 zombiegleemax Oct 01, 2004 10:49:34	The latter, typically. I've grown used to writing up stat blocks... Cheers, Cam I was mainly wondering if there were mentions of their class and level somewhere in the text for an area's description or something.
#15 Sysane Oct 01, 2004 12:36:16	Considering the state of Ariakan in Amber and Ashes there is the possibility the boss could come back to smack his knighthood back into shape. It's a slim chance... but a possibility.[/COLOR] Just curious, what is Ariakan's current condition?
#16 quentingeorge Oct 01, 2004 17:01:43	Dead, but in a khas piece.
#17 Nived Oct 02, 2004 0:43:30	Just curious, what is Ariakan's current condition? Spoilers He's dead, but he was so ticked his soul never left "To complete its journy" so Chemosh, being the God of Death had fair dibs on it and snatched it before Takky took the world. Now he's using Ariakan's souls as a barganing chip against mommy Zebiom. However since Ariakan is freaking stubborn (see last chapters of the book), he could easily still refuse to leave Krynn once he's freed from Chemosh's grasp. Becoming a ghost... or dare I say it... a Death Knight? Of course his fate is still quite up in the air... but I wouldn't mind seeing his return.
#18 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2004 11:18:45	Thx for spoiler. Its intresting. I have ask me how Ariakan's die and why he is not a Demigod? He has two gods in his bloodline!
#19 Nived Oct 02, 2004 12:49:26	Hercules, Gilgamesh, Achilles, Odysseus all demi-gods, all mortal (they didn't decide to make Herc immortal till after he died). Doesn't matter if you're half god you're still have mortal... thus mortal.
#20 Sysane Oct 02, 2004 12:53:52	Spoilers He's dead, but he was so ticked his soul never left "To complete its journy" so Chemosh, being the God of Death had fair dibs on it and snatched it before Takky took the world. Now he's using Ariakan's souls as a barganing chip against mommy Zebiom. However since Ariakan is freaking stubborn (see last chapters of the book), he could easily still refuse to leave Krynn once he's freed from Chemosh's grasp. Becoming a ghost... or dare I say it... a Death Knight? Of course his fate is still quite up in the air... but I wouldn't mind seeing his return. Coming back as a Death Knight would be a good twist. DL needs a new uber udead bad guy snice Soth got squished by Big T.
#21 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2004 23:44:48	If Lord Ariakan was to return, which I sincerely hope not (please don´t use the Raist/Tas trick on him!!), he would make a fine leader of the Knighthood he founded! Surely he could unite the three different orders and bring back their old strengths and the concepts that made them so cool pre-SoF. Another player in the race to control the entire Knighthood could be Sir Elstone Kinsaid - the commander of the Dark Knight forces in Palanthas. Indeed he will be a major player if I have anything to say! ;) Ravenmantle