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#1
caul
Oct 01, 2004 13:44:54 ...but is anyone using the DS rules from Dungeon and Dragon? Not that I don't like that athas.org rules, but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN.
#2
nytcrawlr
Oct 01, 2004 14:16:59
...but is anyone using the DS rules from Dungeon and Dragon?

Bwahahahahaha!

Probably a handful at best, and they are pretty silent. I think they fear our squirrlley wrath.

Not that I don't like that athas.org rules, but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN.

Probably because they don't catch the Athasian flavor, or at least that's the majority's viewpoint.

I tend to agree with that viewpoint.

Bout the only thing I liked from Noonan was his defiler rules, the rest were way too butchered from his original ideas.
#3
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Oct 01, 2004 15:27:53
...but is anyone using the DS rules from Dungeon and Dragon? Not that I don't like that athas.org rules, but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN.

There are a few, hopefully they'll pop their heads out and help ya.
#4
jihun-nish
Oct 01, 2004 23:38:43
but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN.

If your realy the ''I want to stick to official rules'' type, then you'll use athas.org's version because they, are faithful to the DS world as it was in previous box set.(and as it should be.) They are considered one of the 2 official scource for DS(since there is now the Noonan's version.)recognized by WotC.
#5
eric_anondson
Oct 02, 2004 3:05:57
If your realy the ''I want to stick to official rules'' type, then you'll use athas.org's version because they, are faithful to the DS world as it was in previous box set.

He said he wanted to stick to the Core Rulebooks as much as possible. Those being the 3.x DMG, PHB, and MM, not the Dark Sun boxes and accessories.

Fact is while Athas.org evokes the pre-existing Dark Sun setting material best of the two, it is the Dragon/Dungeon issues that provide the rules version that fits closest to the Core Rulebooks with the least amount of adjustment to the Core Rules. That was Paizo's stated design goal even.

Regards,
Eric Anondson
#6
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2004 7:37:02
...but is anyone using the DS rules from Dungeon and Dragon? Not that I don't like that athas.org rules, but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN.

*CHOMP!*

Sorry, couldn't resist. :D As for using the Dragon/Dungeon versions of DS, if you want to, no one's going to stop you; it's your campaign. You could have Ninja Pandas in it if you wanted, it's just that most of us go with rules/classes etc. that are as close to the original feel as possible, but we know that not everyone will want to no matter how much we espouse Athas.org's rules.

That said, I do use the 300+ years later idea from Dragon, but that's all. It fits perfectly with my campaign and I like the idea that what was done in the Prism Pentad has had no world-shaking changes after all those centuries at all. Hopeless-sounding? You betcha. That's Dark Sun, after all.
#7
Sysane
Oct 02, 2004 12:57:08 I've taken bits a pieces of both Dragon Mags and athas.org for my campaign.
Seems to work for my players and keeps the DS feel.
#8
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Oct 02, 2004 14:14:32 While I don't take anything actually *from* the magazines themselves, they did give me a couple ideas to play around with in my campaigns.
#9
Sysane
Oct 02, 2004 16:31:17 I ended up blending a few of the things from the mag's & athas.org's material for races which included my version of 3.5 Dray offered as a PC option. I also made Gladiator and Bard PrC's rather than full fledged classes.
#10
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2004 21:33:22 i also liked his intention of 'forgetting' the whole prism pentad thing (tsr should never have let them change athas so drastically). i also liked the way he included the XPH races.
but for bringing in a new SK (how did that happen?), and giving bards their magic back, i am not so big on...
and paladins? wtf?
#11
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Oct 02, 2004 22:27:36 Actually, I've since incorperated, for my own campaigns, paladins, monks, and sorcerers. Of course, the Paladins I have are not what one would think, Monks are more of a psionic thing (Nytcrawlr's Psi-Monk), and sorcerers are a fun little explanation...
#12
zombiegleemax
Oct 02, 2004 22:29:20 Perhaps you should take a different approach to asking about info from the mags by being a bit more specific in your questions. In this way, anyone who wishes could top it off, rather than simply asking about the popularity of the articles themselves. There's some real gems in the articles, once you dig through them, but most of those were glossed over in the usual angst filled rage about the chop job done by Piazo.

In other words, asking specifically about the mags is bad (case in point with the above posts). Asking about specific ideas is good (case in point with almost every other lasting topic). Sorry if it comes of as elitistism.
#13
Dragonhelm
Oct 04, 2004 0:06:53 I've heard it said that Athas.org's rules are more setting-centric, while the Dragon/Dungeon rules are more Core Rules-centric. Really, I think it's a matter of what you're looking for.

I'm not currently running a Dark Sun game, but I have done some conversions of some of my old characters using the rules from Dragon just for yucks. Overall, it's turned out fairly well.

My only real beef is with my old half-giant. In that particular case, I'm thinking of using a blend of Athas.org's half-giant and the XPH half-giant.

Just remember, it's not about official or not, or even what the fan community thinks. It's all about you and your group, and what makes your DS games fun.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 caul Oct 01, 2004 13:44:54	...but is anyone using the DS rules from Dungeon and Dragon? Not that I don't like that athas.org rules, but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN.
#2 nytcrawlr Oct 01, 2004 14:16:59	...but is anyone using the DS rules from Dungeon and Dragon? Bwahahahahaha! Probably a handful at best, and they are pretty silent. I think they fear our squirrlley wrath. Not that I don't like that athas.org rules, but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN. Probably because they don't catch the Athasian flavor, or at least that's the majority's viewpoint. I tend to agree with that viewpoint. Bout the only thing I liked from Noonan was his defiler rules, the rest were way too butchered from his original ideas.
#3 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 01, 2004 15:27:53	...but is anyone using the DS rules from Dungeon and Dragon? Not that I don't like that athas.org rules, but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN. There are a few, hopefully they'll pop their heads out and help ya.
#4 jihun-nish Oct 01, 2004 23:38:43	but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN. If your realy the ''I want to stick to official rules'' type, then you'll use athas.org's version because they, are faithful to the DS world as it was in previous box set.(and as it should be.) They are considered one of the 2 official scource for DS(since there is now the Noonan's version.)recognized by WotC.
#5 eric_anondson Oct 02, 2004 3:05:57	If your realy the ''I want to stick to official rules'' type, then you'll use athas.org's version because they, are faithful to the DS world as it was in previous box set. He said he wanted to stick to the Core Rulebooks as much as possible. Those being the 3.x DMG, PHB, and MM, not the Dark Sun boxes and accessories. Fact is while Athas.org evokes the pre-existing Dark Sun setting material best of the two, it is the Dragon/Dungeon issues that provide the rules version that fits closest to the Core Rulebooks with the least amount of adjustment to the Core Rules. That was Paizo's stated design goal even. Regards, Eric Anondson
#6 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2004 7:37:02	...but is anyone using the DS rules from Dungeon and Dragon? Not that I don't like that athas.org rules, but I am trying to stick as close to the core books as possible and Noonan's rules work for me. I only ask because there seems to be a lot of (great) info and ideas with regards to the athas.org rules, but no one seems to be discussing those from DN. CHOMP! Sorry, couldn't resist. :D As for using the Dragon/Dungeon versions of DS, if you want to, no one's going to stop you; it's your campaign. You could have Ninja Pandas in it if you wanted, it's just that most of us go with rules/classes etc. that are as close to the original feel as possible, but we know that not everyone will want to no matter how much we espouse Athas.org's rules. That said, I do use the 300+ years later idea from Dragon, but that's all. It fits perfectly with my campaign and I like the idea that what was done in the Prism Pentad has had no world-shaking changes after all those centuries at all. Hopeless-sounding? You betcha. That's Dark Sun, after all.
#7 Sysane Oct 02, 2004 12:57:08	I've taken bits a pieces of both Dragon Mags and athas.org for my campaign. Seems to work for my players and keeps the DS feel.
#8 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 02, 2004 14:14:32	While I don't take anything actually from the magazines themselves, they did give me a couple ideas to play around with in my campaigns.
#9 Sysane Oct 02, 2004 16:31:17	I ended up blending a few of the things from the mag's & athas.org's material for races which included my version of 3.5 Dray offered as a PC option. I also made Gladiator and Bard PrC's rather than full fledged classes.
#10 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2004 21:33:22	i also liked his intention of 'forgetting' the whole prism pentad thing (tsr should never have let them change athas so drastically). i also liked the way he included the XPH races. but for bringing in a new SK (how did that happen?), and giving bards their magic back, i am not so big on... and paladins? wtf?
#11 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 02, 2004 22:27:36	Actually, I've since incorperated, for my own campaigns, paladins, monks, and sorcerers. Of course, the Paladins I have are not what one would think, Monks are more of a psionic thing (Nytcrawlr's Psi-Monk), and sorcerers are a fun little explanation...
#12 zombiegleemax Oct 02, 2004 22:29:20	Perhaps you should take a different approach to asking about info from the mags by being a bit more specific in your questions. In this way, anyone who wishes could top it off, rather than simply asking about the popularity of the articles themselves. There's some real gems in the articles, once you dig through them, but most of those were glossed over in the usual angst filled rage about the chop job done by Piazo. In other words, asking specifically about the mags is bad (case in point with the above posts). Asking about specific ideas is good (case in point with almost every other lasting topic). Sorry if it comes of as elitistism.
#13 Dragonhelm Oct 04, 2004 0:06:53	I've heard it said that Athas.org's rules are more setting-centric, while the Dragon/Dungeon rules are more Core Rules-centric. Really, I think it's a matter of what you're looking for. I'm not currently running a Dark Sun game, but I have done some conversions of some of my old characters using the rules from Dragon just for yucks. Overall, it's turned out fairly well. My only real beef is with my old half-giant. In that particular case, I'm thinking of using a blend of Athas.org's half-giant and the XPH half-giant. Just remember, it's not about official or not, or even what the fan community thinks. It's all about you and your group, and what makes your DS games fun.