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Rajaat the Warbringer

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#1
zombiegleemax
Oct 05, 2004 1:58:01 lots of word on the first sorceror but no meat. the PP book overran events of the escape and reimprisonment of the warbringer but alas so little is known of him. i've got that he has is damn near ugly, and like every hurt little boy inside wants to annihilate all life on the planet and replace it with the most (un?) deserving creatures, as pitiful and small (of heart!) as he.

he has some water affinity (aka cerulean storm...and perhaps his hatred of the dying planet's present ecology), so i wonder if he had a hand in mud palace...never quite figured that out, besides the planar connecion to elemental water anyways.

he has a thing for pyramids. upside down, levitating pyramids. WoTJK offers up a magical citadel of his making, though it disclaims that it is far too lame to have been the seat of magical creation in the vile swamp..and ushers dms to go make it! it at least showed his love for the halflings was meted by the fact they'd probably shoot him with their little organic guns if he got close. ingrates.

on a completely unrelated note...in asheron's call2 (or baldurs gate2 it really has been that long..) you fight halflings in the astral plane. any connection to a certain banished bodyguard of the warbringer?

the 15 champions defeat him, how who knows. i know we can ignore (re: sarcasm) designer troy denning's peicemeal account in PP of them forcing rajaat in the crystal something in the pristine tower to make borys & his rebels Dragons.

and finally...rajaat is a pyreen. their stats (was it in DKs or elsewhere i cant recall..) don't reflect something godlike as rajaat... i think thats all the canon & source out there....anyone got anything to offer up on rajaat?
#2
Sysane
Oct 05, 2004 8:31:49

Rajaat is the prime example of an enigma wrapped in a mystery. Which he is better off being. I feel that he doesn't need stats. PC will never could or should be able to face him. I view Rajaat along the lines of The Lady of Pain in Planescape. As long as they remains stat-less they are undefeatable. Not knowing what they are and leaving out of the bonds of game mechanics deters and frightens PCs which works fine for me.
#3
jon_oracle_of_athas
Oct 05, 2004 10:37:46 If you want a rough estimate of Rajaat's power, take the power of the GM and multiply it by 2. :D I don't know who said it first, but it's a good quote.
#4
zombiegleemax
Oct 05, 2004 13:32:55 no no sillers...i don't want rajaat stats as in combat, and we have his age...but his form, was he an (evil) elemental cleric of water perhaps? im sure there is something about him. you might say hes the second most influential figure on Athas.

lady of pain,yes, incredible. i remember reading in planescape how shes just untouchable, godlike, mistress of um...pain. but then in the first adventure you the intrepid PCs can be involved in killing her. hoorah.

so is there anything canon, even troy denning admitting rajaat name was randomly created with too much free time and a handful of d6's? i like the mystery thing but theres got to be some allusion to him at least... somewhere...
#5
Sysane
Oct 05, 2004 14:01:21
no no sillers...i don't want rajaat stats as in combat, and we have his age...but his form, was he an (evil) elemental cleric of water perhaps? im sure there is something about him. you might say hes the second most influential figure on Athas....

Well being the creator of arcane magic on Athas and all, I think its a safe bet he was a wizard. A freakishly high level wizard!
#6
jihun-nish
Oct 05, 2004 23:34:41
Well being the creator of arcane magic on Athas and all, I think its a safe bet he was a wizard. A freakishly high level wizard!

Haa! It's called epic ;) Well... on second thought, it's called a mortal god.
#7
nytcrawlr
Oct 05, 2004 23:54:11 Take a look at this if you haven't already.

The Pain in a Mother's Womb

Playing around with more in my head. Consider that a forward of sorts.
#8
taotad
Oct 06, 2004 9:34:10 Its probably not everyones cup of tea, but I tied Planescape into Dark Sun and made Rajaat into an avatar of The Elder Elemental God. The plot was rather ... complicated so I won't get into details, but since the players couldn't travel to Athas they had to dominate an athasian group by interplanar psionics.

He should definatly be a mystic however.
Every world needs its Sauron.
#9
zombiegleemax
Oct 06, 2004 14:50:09 the pain in the womb seems deceptive to me...as far as i can recount from canon, Rajaat was not the inherently evil bastard the world made him to be. or maybe he was. but from his wandering abouts the world, and his affinity or priesthood to water as it may be, and his isolating hideous features, as well as his Rhulisti heritage portrays more a figure unable to cope in the world, placeless and useless, and resulting in turning to the only plausible hope to dimish his pain, the retribution the world deserved. i suppose he saw himself not as a villain but a herald with the will and dedication to sacrifice all life for the cause, as in the rebirth races are not percieved as living things to be slaughtered, but as creations made erronously and without due regard for what he felt should be the Halfling supremacy. i have no doubts he was insane and a sociopath, unable to connect or feel empathy, and was working through that in a natural form of enforcing his reality upon the world. even earth knows of many crazies. fortunately none to my recollection entered a position of such influence and power as rajaat.

as for his station of power, i reckon it on the most metaphorical scale possible. if we, as individual humans, made kittens, 15, we'd still whup them. but if we made 15 pitbulls who turned on us, it'd be a different story. this is how i relate rajaat losing to his 15. he's not omnipotent, but his magical prowess is liken to immortality, aka shadow & substance. all i seek, is definitive grasp of Rajaat, the single most influential character on Athas. except that genius who invented the brown tide. not much competition there ;)
#10
nytcrawlr
Oct 06, 2004 15:13:51
the pain in the womb seems deceptive to me...

That's the point.

as far as i can recount from canon, Rajaat was not the inherently evil bastard the world made him to be.

I'm sure most would disagree with you.

At this point all I'm trying to do is show that he already has a few things against him:

- A seer that can see into the future and has saw what Rajaat will become and has warned his parents about it.

- A deformity that he was born with and is not his fault that is looked down upon.

The third I won't give away yet till I can get more written.

i suppose he saw himself not as a villain but a herald with the will and dedication to sacrifice all life for the cause, as in the rebirth races are not percieved as living things to be slaughtered, but as creations made erronously and without due regard for what he felt should be the Halfling supremacy.

Much like Hitler didn't see himself as a villain, and felt the need to sacrifice all Jews for human supremacy, since he didn't see the Jews as human.

i have no doubts he was insane and a sociopath, unable to connect or feel empathy, and was working through that in a natural form of enforcing his reality upon the world. even earth knows of many crazies. fortunately none to my recollection entered a position of such influence and power as rajaat.

Hitler didn't? Damn near close anyways.

;)

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#1 zombiegleemax Oct 05, 2004 1:58:01	lots of word on the first sorceror but no meat. the PP book overran events of the escape and reimprisonment of the warbringer but alas so little is known of him. i've got that he has is damn near ugly, and like every hurt little boy inside wants to annihilate all life on the planet and replace it with the most (un?) deserving creatures, as pitiful and small (of heart!) as he. he has some water affinity (aka cerulean storm...and perhaps his hatred of the dying planet's present ecology), so i wonder if he had a hand in mud palace...never quite figured that out, besides the planar connecion to elemental water anyways. he has a thing for pyramids. upside down, levitating pyramids. WoTJK offers up a magical citadel of his making, though it disclaims that it is far too lame to have been the seat of magical creation in the vile swamp..and ushers dms to go make it! it at least showed his love for the halflings was meted by the fact they'd probably shoot him with their little organic guns if he got close. ingrates. on a completely unrelated note...in asheron's call2 (or baldurs gate2 it really has been that long..) you fight halflings in the astral plane. any connection to a certain banished bodyguard of the warbringer? the 15 champions defeat him, how who knows. i know we can ignore (re: sarcasm) designer troy denning's peicemeal account in PP of them forcing rajaat in the crystal something in the pristine tower to make borys & his rebels Dragons. and finally...rajaat is a pyreen. their stats (was it in DKs or elsewhere i cant recall..) don't reflect something godlike as rajaat... i think thats all the canon & source out there....anyone got anything to offer up on rajaat?
#2 Sysane Oct 05, 2004 8:31:49	Rajaat is the prime example of an enigma wrapped in a mystery. Which he is better off being. I feel that he doesn't need stats. PC will never could or should be able to face him. I view Rajaat along the lines of The Lady of Pain in Planescape. As long as they remains stat-less they are undefeatable. Not knowing what they are and leaving out of the bonds of game mechanics deters and frightens PCs which works fine for me.
#3 jon_oracle_of_athas Oct 05, 2004 10:37:46	If you want a rough estimate of Rajaat's power, take the power of the GM and multiply it by 2. :D I don't know who said it first, but it's a good quote.
#4 zombiegleemax Oct 05, 2004 13:32:55	no no sillers...i don't want rajaat stats as in combat, and we have his age...but his form, was he an (evil) elemental cleric of water perhaps? im sure there is something about him. you might say hes the second most influential figure on Athas. lady of pain,yes, incredible. i remember reading in planescape how shes just untouchable, godlike, mistress of um...pain. but then in the first adventure you the intrepid PCs can be involved in killing her. hoorah. so is there anything canon, even troy denning admitting rajaat name was randomly created with too much free time and a handful of d6's? i like the mystery thing but theres got to be some allusion to him at least... somewhere...
#5 Sysane Oct 05, 2004 14:01:21	no no sillers...i don't want rajaat stats as in combat, and we have his age...but his form, was he an (evil) elemental cleric of water perhaps? im sure there is something about him. you might say hes the second most influential figure on Athas.... Well being the creator of arcane magic on Athas and all, I think its a safe bet he was a wizard. A freakishly high level wizard!
#6 jihun-nish Oct 05, 2004 23:34:41	Well being the creator of arcane magic on Athas and all, I think its a safe bet he was a wizard. A freakishly high level wizard! Haa! It's called epic ;) Well... on second thought, it's called a mortal god.
#7 nytcrawlr Oct 05, 2004 23:54:11	Take a look at this if you haven't already. The Pain in a Mother's Womb Playing around with more in my head. Consider that a forward of sorts.
#8 taotad Oct 06, 2004 9:34:10	Its probably not everyones cup of tea, but I tied Planescape into Dark Sun and made Rajaat into an avatar of The Elder Elemental God. The plot was rather ... complicated so I won't get into details, but since the players couldn't travel to Athas they had to dominate an athasian group by interplanar psionics. He should definatly be a mystic however. Every world needs its Sauron.
#9 zombiegleemax Oct 06, 2004 14:50:09	the pain in the womb seems deceptive to me...as far as i can recount from canon, Rajaat was not the inherently evil bastard the world made him to be. or maybe he was. but from his wandering abouts the world, and his affinity or priesthood to water as it may be, and his isolating hideous features, as well as his Rhulisti heritage portrays more a figure unable to cope in the world, placeless and useless, and resulting in turning to the only plausible hope to dimish his pain, the retribution the world deserved. i suppose he saw himself not as a villain but a herald with the will and dedication to sacrifice all life for the cause, as in the rebirth races are not percieved as living things to be slaughtered, but as creations made erronously and without due regard for what he felt should be the Halfling supremacy. i have no doubts he was insane and a sociopath, unable to connect or feel empathy, and was working through that in a natural form of enforcing his reality upon the world. even earth knows of many crazies. fortunately none to my recollection entered a position of such influence and power as rajaat. as for his station of power, i reckon it on the most metaphorical scale possible. if we, as individual humans, made kittens, 15, we'd still whup them. but if we made 15 pitbulls who turned on us, it'd be a different story. this is how i relate rajaat losing to his 15. he's not omnipotent, but his magical prowess is liken to immortality, aka shadow & substance. all i seek, is definitive grasp of Rajaat, the single most influential character on Athas. except that genius who invented the brown tide. not much competition there ;)
#10 nytcrawlr Oct 06, 2004 15:13:51	the pain in the womb seems deceptive to me... That's the point. as far as i can recount from canon, Rajaat was not the inherently evil bastard the world made him to be. I'm sure most would disagree with you. At this point all I'm trying to do is show that he already has a few things against him: - A seer that can see into the future and has saw what Rajaat will become and has warned his parents about it. - A deformity that he was born with and is not his fault that is looked down upon. The third I won't give away yet till I can get more written. i suppose he saw himself not as a villain but a herald with the will and dedication to sacrifice all life for the cause, as in the rebirth races are not percieved as living things to be slaughtered, but as creations made erronously and without due regard for what he felt should be the Halfling supremacy. Much like Hitler didn't see himself as a villain, and felt the need to sacrifice all Jews for human supremacy, since he didn't see the Jews as human. i have no doubts he was insane and a sociopath, unable to connect or feel empathy, and was working through that in a natural form of enforcing his reality upon the world. even earth knows of many crazies. fortunately none to my recollection entered a position of such influence and power as rajaat. Hitler didn't? Damn near close anyways. ;)