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#1 zombiegleemax Oct 09, 2004 22:22:32	could someone tell me where the baernoloth stats are? I could have sworn it was in the Hellbound Boxset but I can't find it...dang pdf's hurting me eyes berk!
#2 ohtar_turinson Oct 09, 2004 22:42:52	Planes of Conflict, the monsterous suppliment at the end I think.
#3 zombiegleemax Oct 09, 2004 23:09:00	holy canoli, you're right! THANX!!!!!! :D :D :D I'd forgotten how weak they are in stats though. Which wouldn't be as much of a problem if they'd been given a 21+ intelligence. I guess the Waste decayed them more than they expected.
#4 zombiegleemax Oct 10, 2004 4:23:04	You've just listened a bit too much to Shemie's passionated speechs. Don't believe her Yugoloth propaganda! The Barneyloths are weak, not godlike! :D
#5 zombiegleemax Oct 10, 2004 5:27:31	EN World Creature Catalogue has converted the baernaloth. If the link don't work, copy and paste into your address bar. I always thought the baernaloth a bit too senselessly weak... http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=753
#6 thanael Oct 10, 2004 7:30:20	Or check out the Dicefreaks version of them here: http://community.dicefreaks.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1865
#7 Shemeska_the_Marauder Oct 10, 2004 21:24:22	*chuckle* Weak? Tell that to the ones I've been playing around with IMC. 1 story down, 12 to go with that bunch. Might have another in the next week or so. :D
#8 sildatorak Oct 11, 2004 1:29:55	The Barneyloths are weak, not godlike! :D Oh…that's low. Next thing you know you'll be saying that the ultimate evil that spawned them is a beverage brewed since ancient times from malted barely and hopps.
#9 enoch_van_garret Oct 11, 2004 13:18:00	weren't these the ones who gained the memories of the creatures they ate? I thought I read something about that on the Mimir.
#10 ripvanwormer Oct 11, 2004 13:44:33	weren't these the ones who gained the memories of the creatures they ate? I thought I read something about that on the Mimir. Those are the murskas, natives of Pandemonium described in Planes of Chaos. See also Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun series.
#11 enoch_van_garret Oct 11, 2004 14:40:46	so, this begs the same question I saw on the Mimir - what would happen if a murska ate a dabus?
#12 sildatorak Oct 11, 2004 15:51:04	Since the Dabus are only found in Sigil and finding a dead dabus means attacking and killing one, that murska would be flayed before it could even realy work up an appetite.
#13 zombiegleemax Oct 13, 2004 16:38:09	I just want to know why the Baernoloths are so weak. I mean, not amazing, godlike creatures I can manage. But CR 9? It just seems gratuitously weak for harbingers of ultimate evil.
#14 weenie Oct 13, 2004 20:31:23	I just want to know why the Baernoloths are so weak. Obviously, because they want you to want to know that. There's nothing quite llike being thought of as weak when you're evil incarnate... Personally, I always thought of yugoloths - and especially their progenitors - as surprisingly weak creatures compared to the other fiend types. They just maxed out their ranks in PR skills and built a reputation. It's amazing what the right reputation will get you these days:
#15 Shemeska_the_Marauder Oct 13, 2004 21:29:39	:heehee Yay! Puppet show! *GRIN*
#16 zombiegleemax Oct 14, 2004 0:21:20	I just want to know why the Baernoloths are so weak. I mean, not amazing, godlike creatures I can manage. But CR 9? It just seems gratuitously weak for harbingers of ultimate evil. Oh, I think there's a few sites that are offering up their own versions of the Baern which make considerably more sense then the lies spouted off by those who would have you believe something other then the truth.
#17 weenie Oct 14, 2004 5:29:03	:heehee Yay! Puppet show! *GRIN* Note that the ultroloth in the back is holding its arms as if he's pulling the strings of the doggyloths in the front... ;)
#18 Shemeska_the_Marauder Oct 14, 2004 8:22:56	Note that the ultroloth in the back is holding its arms as if he's pulling the strings of the doggyloths in the front... ;) ...eh... we let them think that... *shuts up whenever any Ultroloth is in Sigil*
#19 ripvanwormer Oct 14, 2004 17:22:39	That picture is a major reason I like Adam Rex so much.
#20 zombiegleemax Oct 17, 2004 5:49:54	Okay, here's a thought. Apompos is pretty powerful, isn't he? What with the whole creating the gehereleths this, and supposed oodles of power. Now, he's an exiled baernoloth, according to the Book of Inverted Darkness, anyway, so the baernoloths themselves must be pretty powerful, even though Apompos has probably been changed sufficiently by his exile and new role to no longer be quite what he used to be.
#21 zombiegleemax Oct 17, 2004 7:44:51	Apomps is now a god. Beside, he was the most powerful of the Baern, since he created his servant race alone, and in few time; whereas the other Baerns created the 'loth has a joint effort, and one that wasn't finished immediately since they had to "purify" the 'loth with the Heart of Darkness, meaning they couldn't create them pure to begin with. Apomps thought they were taking too much time, and created the 'leth alone in his spare time. The other Baerns, jealous and envious of his creation, claimed that the 'leth were "tainted" by chaos (just like the 'loths were tainted by both law and chaos) and threatened to mob against Apomps. So Apomps moved to Carceri, and instigated religious worship of him by his gehreleth servants. He was the most powerful Baern before, he is even more powerful now. And he has fun tearing down this Tower of Incarnate Pain the 'loths are unsuccessfully trying to build on Carceri. Only Apomps' self imposed 9999 limit on gehreleth population prevents him from destroying all 'loths once and for all. One day, he'll lift the ban, and overrun all the lower Planes of Conflicts with his armies, claiming each of the three planes for each of his three aspects, and slaughtering those weak, silly Baerns that thought they could force him to exile. The fools! *waits for Shemeska's outraged response* :D
#22 zombiegleemax Oct 17, 2004 11:01:15	^^Gez, check my sig. There's this group I work for, you might be interested.... ;)
#23 ripvanwormer Oct 17, 2004 20:46:09	Apomps is now a god. Beside, he was the most powerful of the Baern, since he created his servant race alone Apomps is the Three-Sided One. That's because he's never "alone." He was three seperate baernaloths who split with the others. In the course of the dark rituals they used to create their spawn, they merged together into a single being with three faces. At least, that's my theory. I'm sticking with it, too. Planes of Conflict calls him "a grossly disfigured baernaloth," which fits with the premise.
#24 Tevish_Szat Oct 23, 2004 0:12:47	i think the baern stats fall under the same wing of propaganda as the 3e Yugoloth stats. they don't want every 2-bit adventurer knowing how powerful they REALLY are.
#25 Shemeska_the_Marauder Oct 23, 2004 1:31:33	Apomps is the Three-Sided One. That's because he's never "alone." He was three seperate baernaloths who split with the others. In the course of the dark rituals they used to create their spawn, they merged together into a single being with three faces. At least, that's my theory. I'm sticking with it, too. Planes of Conflict calls him "a grossly disfigured baernaloth," which fits with the premise. And it's a very cool idea too. So much so that I've adopted it for my own campaign in some ways. In a one shot evil aligned game I ran set within the continuity of my own campaign I had the PCs assassinate a high ranking shator cleric of Apomps for the overlord of Carceri. In that game I had an idol of Apomps appear as 3 Baernaloths fused together at their backs as one like siamese-baern triplets. I've also had Apomps manifest as a trio of Gehreleths, one of each type, all of them speaking at the same time and with the same hollow voice. Apomps is a bit of a wild card in my campaign, considering the internal 'loth politics going on during its course.