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#1 elonarc Oct 10, 2004 17:10:04	[for this question I assume people have dragon #319 at their disposal, it would take too long to explain otherwise] "The Erudite" in Dragon #319, page 49, "Learning Discipline Powers", 2nd column, 3rd paragraph: Next, the erudite may make a Psicraft check (DC 15 + power's level) to see if he understands one of the powers. If the power is not on his class list or is a discipline power, he automatically fails this check.
#2 Pennarin Oct 10, 2004 18:53:57	Someone on the psi boards e-mailed Bruce on this, and he said that you can learn discipline powers, just disregard that last sentence. An erudite can learn a power from anyone, or learn it from a power stone encoded by anyone. Its his versatility.
#3 monastyrski Oct 10, 2004 19:01:05	[for this question I assume people have dragon #319 at their disposal, it would take too long to explain otherwise] "The Erudite" in Dragon #319, page 49, "Learning Discipline Powers", 2nd column, 3rd paragraph: Could it be that the last sentence makes no sense? Doesn't the sentence state that the erudite cannot learn discipline powers at all? In the section titled "Learning Discipline Powers"??? Such a situation was well known very long ago. E. g., GLENDOWER I can call spirits from the vasty deep. HOTSPUR Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? (William Shakespeare, The First Part of King Henry the Fourth, Act three Scene I) YES, the erudite CAN learn ANY power, as well as any arcane or divine spell. But he will FAIL to GET IT LEARNED, if the power is not from psion/wilder list. The only way to get such powers learned is by taking (Epic) Expanded Knowledge feat.
#4 elonarc Oct 10, 2004 19:01:21	Merci, Pennarin.
#5 Pennarin Oct 10, 2004 19:22:42	Glad to help Elonarc I had the same problem a while back... Such a situation was well known very long ago. YES, the erudite CAN learn ANY power, as well as any arcane or divine spell. Er,...this statement is way wrong. An erudite can't learn spells, only psionic powers. Check the text again. But he will FAIL to GET IT LEARNED, if the power is not from psion/wilder list. The only way to get such powers learned is by taking (Epic) Expanded Knowledge feat. I should be more clear on the last post I made: the phrase that Elonarc quoted (If the power is not on his class list or is a discipline power, he automatically fails this check.) is partly false. The erudite has a by-level progression for its powers learned, drawing from the psion/wilder list, and he can also add to his repertoire any powers he comes across (from some other person's repertoire or a power stone), as long as they are from the psion/wilder list or discipline powers. As such an erudite can't learn powers from the psychic warrior list. Elonarc's quote is errata, so the correct quote can be found elsewhere in the text, on page 49, second paragraph under Learning Discipline Powers: An erudite can learn powers whenever he encounters a new power on a power stone, or gains access to another psionic character's or creature's repertoire (these could be any powers from the psion/wilder list, or any select discipline powers encoded in the stone or held in a creature's repertoire).
#6 monastyrski Oct 10, 2004 20:08:43	Bruce saying somewhere somebody something is good and all, but until I see any official errata, I shall consider this (and any) contradiction to be ruled by DM. This one is obvious to me. High-level erudites unbalance the game, so my every decision will penalize them. I do not want to let easy ways to know both Time Regression and Greater Metamorphosis, if I yield to temptation of allowing them at all. And I do not understand, what is wrong with my statement that Erudites (and Commoners as well) can learn spells? Take a scroll and learn it all day long!
#7 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 10, 2004 21:44:08	You mean to tell me you don't consider a statement by the person who is most directly responsible for the psionics system (and made the Erudite class, IIRC) as being a valid source for a correction?
#8 Pennarin Oct 10, 2004 22:08:27	I'm on the same wavelength as Xlor on this. Its not the first communiqué we get from an article, book or novel's author and those help a lot when you are lucky enough to obtain one. Abbey's idea that dragons eventually see their bones replaced by living obsidian may change the way the dragon rules are handled by athas.org. Denning's comment that there are more Champions than those presented in the novels is a must too. So is Bruce's nice errata on his Paizo article which, by the way, won't get an errata because its a magazine article and not from a WotC book. And I do not understand, what is wrong with my statement that Erudites (and Commoners as well) can learn spells? Take a scroll and learn it all day long! I take it from the smilly that you're jocking, or else you've brought the magic-psionic transparency to a whole new level all by yourself.

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elonarc

Oct 10, 2004 17:10:04

[for this question I assume people have dragon #319 at their disposal, it would take too long to explain otherwise]

"The Erudite" in Dragon #319, page 49, "Learning Discipline Powers", 2nd column, 3rd paragraph:

Next, the erudite may make a Psicraft check (DC 15 + power's level) to see if he understands one of the powers. If the power is not on his class list or is a discipline power, he automatically fails this check.

Pennarin

Oct 10, 2004 18:53:57

Someone on the psi boards e-mailed Bruce on this, and he said that you can learn discipline powers, just disregard that last sentence. An erudite can learn a power from anyone, or learn it from a power stone encoded by anyone. Its his versatility.

monastyrski

Oct 10, 2004 19:01:05

[for this question I assume people have dragon #319 at their disposal, it would take too long to explain otherwise]
"The Erudite" in Dragon #319, page 49, "Learning Discipline Powers", 2nd column, 3rd paragraph:
Could it be that the last sentence makes no sense? Doesn't the sentence state that the erudite cannot learn discipline powers at all? In the section titled "Learning Discipline Powers"???

Such a situation was well known very long ago. E. g.,
GLENDOWER I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
HOTSPUR Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them?
(William Shakespeare, The First Part of King Henry the Fourth, Act three Scene I)
YES, the erudite CAN learn ANY power, as well as any arcane or divine spell. But he will FAIL to GET IT LEARNED, if the power is not from psion/wilder list. The only way to get such powers learned is by taking (Epic) Expanded Knowledge feat.

elonarc

Oct 10, 2004 19:01:21

Merci, Pennarin.

Pennarin

Oct 10, 2004 19:22:42

Glad to help Elonarc

I had the same problem a while back...

Such a situation was well known very long ago.
YES, the erudite CAN learn ANY power, as well as any arcane or divine spell.

Er,...this statement is way wrong.
An erudite can't learn spells, only psionic powers. Check the text again.

But he will FAIL to GET IT LEARNED, if the power is not from psion/wilder list. The only way to get such powers learned is by taking (Epic) Expanded Knowledge feat.

I should be more clear on the last post I made: the phrase that Elonarc quoted (If the power is not on his class list or is a discipline power, he automatically fails this check.) is partly false. The erudite has a by-level progression for its powers learned, drawing from the psion/wilder list, and he can also add to his repertoire any powers he comes across (from some other person's repertoire or a power stone), as long as they are from the psion/wilder list or discipline powers. As such an erudite can't learn powers from the psychic warrior list.

Elonarc's quote is errata, so the correct quote can be found elsewhere in the text, on page 49, second paragraph under Learning Discipline Powers:

An erudite can learn powers whenever he encounters a new power on a power stone, or gains access to another psionic character's or creature's repertoire (these could be any powers from the psion/wilder list, or any select discipline powers encoded in the stone or held in a creature's repertoire).

monastyrski

Oct 10, 2004 20:08:43

Bruce saying somewhere somebody something is good and all, but until I see any official errata, I shall consider this (and any) contradiction to be ruled by DM. This one is obvious to me. High-level erudites unbalance the game, so my every decision will penalize them. I do not want to let easy ways to know both Time Regression and Greater Metamorphosis, if I yield to temptation of allowing them at all.
And I do not understand, what is wrong with my statement that Erudites (and Commoners as well) can learn spells? Take a scroll and learn it all day long!

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Oct 10, 2004 21:44:08

You mean to tell me you don't consider a statement by the person who is most directly responsible for the psionics system (and made the Erudite class, IIRC) as being a valid source for a correction?

Pennarin

Oct 10, 2004 22:08:27

I'm on the same wavelength as Xlor on this. Its not the first communiqué we get from an article, book or novel's author and those help a lot when you are lucky enough to obtain one.
Abbey's idea that dragons eventually see their bones replaced by living obsidian may change the way the dragon rules are handled by athas.org.
Denning's comment that there are more Champions than those presented in the novels is a must too.
So is Bruce's nice errata on his Paizo article which, by the way, won't get an errata because its a magazine article and not from a WotC book.

And I do not understand, what is wrong with my statement that Erudites (and Commoners as well) can learn spells? Take a scroll and learn it all day long!

I take it from the smilly that you're jocking, or else you've brought the magic-psionic transparency to a whole new level all by yourself.