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#1 pringles Oct 10, 2004 18:46:20	Why Dregoth did'nt went into an Animalistic period? Another error made by the designer of City by the Silt Sea?
#2 Pennarin Oct 10, 2004 18:59:41	In 2E dragons became NPCs between certain levels. So there was forcibly a reason for Dregoth not becoming one that was revealed in Dregoth Ascending. Aside from that, now in 3E we can make the animalistic rage something else: we can give it a save DC that really powerful beings, like a Champion of Rajaat, can possibly make on a daily/whatever basis and thus stave off the rage. This also becomes the #1 reason why the SKs are not super-powerful dragons by now: in game terms they are advancing in other classes than dragon so they can get higher saving throws to stave off the coming rage.
#3 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 10, 2004 21:41:53	Why Dregoth did'nt went into an Animalistic period? Another error made by the designer of City by the Silt Sea? This will be answered by the Epic rules from Athas.org. But, we are making it possible for a Dragon to concievably be able to not be affected by the Animalistic Rampage.
#4 pringles Oct 11, 2004 1:20:44	Ok, so its an inconsistencies
#5 korvar Oct 11, 2004 3:56:05	Given that only Borys had ever gone the distance, and he didn't go through the process level-by-level but all at once, it could be that only he was ever going to go animalistic. Okay, the Dragon Kings supplement stated that all Dragon wannabees go through that, but we are creating our own rules here... ...and even if normally Dragons do go animalistic, maybe Dregoth's method had a way around that.
#6 zombiegleemax Oct 11, 2004 4:50:17	no no no no no! dragon kings said that in the animalistic stages they make saving throws or wisdom checks or something, and if they fail they go into the rages and are unable to do anything but destroy what is not immediately seen as furthering their personal goals and power or somesuch. they can make saves or whatever to come out of the rage. but it's not an inconsistency: there was irony in the SMs assassinating dregoth as he was on the verge of finishing his transformation where if he was allowed to finish they would have a fully transformed and fully sane dragon to help bring borys back to sanity-land. mechanics-wise, dregoth just made all his wisdom checks or whatever to prevent going into the animalistic rages while he was in the stages that called for these checks. these checks do exist right? in either dragon kings or preservers n defilers? if not, then i've been confused for over 8 years on just how the animalistic stages worked.
#7 jaanos Oct 11, 2004 5:10:37	"Once every month, the dragon makes a save vs death magic to with a penalty based on the stage it's currently in (-1 at 25th, -2 at 26th, -3 at 27th -4 at 28th). If successful, it can control it's savage urges. If not, it becomes a near mindless beast until the next month (and another save attempt" P&D pg 36 Hope it helps
#8 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Oct 11, 2004 11:32:53	Do understand, we're using a different mechanic to explain it when Athas.org's release for Epic rules is completed.
#9 jaanos Oct 11, 2004 17:52:43	Makes sense, making a save vs death magic never really made sense in the first place in any case, i think (in 2e mechanics) that a wisdom check would have been more appropiate than anything else. Do understand, we're using a different mechanic to explain it when Athas.org's release for Epic rules is completed.
#10 zombiegleemax Oct 11, 2004 20:12:54	well at least i remembered it correctly, that there was a save of some sort and dregoth had just managed to make them all over the course of his transformation, only really going crazy when the others offed him. makes one wonder what may have happened had they not done that and borys was stopped. might still be water in the sunrise sea.
#11 Pennarin Oct 11, 2004 20:22:12	well at least i remembered it correctly, that there was a save of some sort and dregoth had just managed to make them all over the course of his transformation I offered what I recollected from my memory and once you corrected me I stood corrected, I just didn't post about it. Nor did others. only really going crazy when the others offed him. makes one wonder what may have happened had they not done that and borys was stopped. might still be water in the sunrise sea. Dregoth was killed recently in the grand athasian scheme of things, long after the Surise Sea turned to silt (7 King's Ages after the first mention of a silt-filled sea). Since no one knows why it turned to silt, we can think it might have been avoided if there hadn't been the Cleansing Wars (if magic is to blame) or if the sun hadn't been turned a dark red color (if the Champion creation process, involving the Pristine Tower, is to blame; after all, when the sun turned yellow the oceans evaporated, so when it turned dark red the remaining water could have turned to silt...).
#12 zombiegleemax Oct 11, 2004 22:49:20	Actually at the time of dregoth's assassination, it was implied in flavor text and all in CbtSS that Giustenal still had water off its shores. It could have just been dwindled sea residue, as it also says a powerful water or rain cleric could destroy that area of the silt sea since the ground would hold water easily (in the text about the silt cleric on his little isle that could provide the party with the oils that repel silt horrors), or it could be a hint as to just how long ago the sunrise sea really began to disappear.