My question is, could a Bozak or Aurak draconian experiance an Epiphany, causing it to cast spells as a Wizard, not a Sorceror. Any help would be very much appreciated.
Probably not. Draconians with innate spellcasting abilities don't use quite the same magic as sorcerers do. They can use their spells even when Chaos hasn't enhanced the primal magic of the world, as he did in the Summer of Chaos (and when he bounced around as the Graygem). Like dragons, draconians can access the primal magic of the world without requiring a chaotic "wild magic" filter.
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Darn. Thanks!
Of course, you should feel completely free to change that. The main difference, obviously, is that once they cast spells as wizards, they need spellbooks, they must prepare their spells daily, etc. It will make them a little more dangerous as opponents, because they'll have access to higher-level spells faster than they used to (wizard spell progression being faster than sorcerer spell progression).
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If you didnt let them, then the ones who studied wizardry would be practicing both forms, even though its said now that their innate magic isnt the same as wild magic...
which I find weird and funny at the same time. Also they would be a lot worse off if they have sorceror and wizard spells because they would have a bunch of low level spells and it would be a lot longer till they got high level ones, if they ever did. I dont really like the idea of it. Also there isnt any really game "unbalancing" in it, so why not? They may have access to higher level spells quicker, but than again a straight wizard has access to higher level spells before a straight sorceror and they are supposed to be even.. so I dunno. I made one up with wizard levels and its working out pretty well. I'm already looking at how to get rid of the "virtual levels" in the Bozaks, Auraks, and Noble Draconians anyways.. so it will be a moot point after I finish that.I had it happen in my campaign. There's a Red Robed Aurak that sits on the Conclave who's main interest is the survival and advancement of his race. I've never seen any reason why not to let them switch out their spellcasting ability and make it as a wizard.
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That isnt to say that a draconian couldnt get levels in wizard....or cleric for that matter. Since their spell ability is totally innate....they arent dedicated to sorcery.....it is a natural feature....they can still get levels in wizard.
I realize that their wild magic is "different", although I don't like it. I just find it weird and funny at the same time that "yes they use primal sorcery... but uh.. its different..". I know that they "are of krynn" or something to that effect.. but I just believe its a cop-out when people complain about them being able to use sorcery.. but not a human, elf, etc. But.. thats whats in the DLCS, even if I dont like it.
When I statted out the Aurak, I kind of looked at it as it was a gradual thing that he traded in sorcery for wizardry. When he took his first level in wizard, he still had full sorcery spells as befitting an aurak. But each level he gained as a wizard, another "virtual level" of sorceror was converted to wizard.
I do this mainly because I hate the idea of "virtual levels" as I call them. I've said in several threads how much they annoy me. Theres too many of the draconians(regular and noble) who have them and I'm very worried that this will be the new trend
. So I've been finding ways to get around them and eventually get rid of them, but still keep the race with their original feel.arcane prep.... The only change I made on it was it allowed truely innate casters (i.e. draconians, dragons, and the like.... NOT normal sorcerers) to use a spellbook to memorize new spells. This had the following effects on the game.
1. he can use his sorcerer spells (innate dragon spells) OR he can set a slot aside and memorize a spell in that slot like a wizard.
2. He was able to qualify for the WoHS prestige class (mind you he had to take one class level before doing so to get the last requirements.... in his case a single level of wizard.... that did NOT stack for spellcasting with his innate spells.)
this had the following advantages and disadvantages vs a wizard of equal level (currently 14th level. 12 levels from being a draconian, 1 level wizard, 1 level WoHS )
casts as a 9th level sorcerer and a 1st level wizard. However can memorize using the slots from sorcerer. (note his spells known are only as a 8th level sorcerer as WoHS does NOT increase spells known.)
1. limited to 4th level spells vs a straight wizard having access to 7th level spells.
2. When he gets the next level of WoHS he will gain the ability to cast 5th level spells.... BUT will have no known spells of that level, so can only use the slots for memorizing spells.
Overall I think the character works quite well. He is about equivelent to a fighter/mage in usefullness and the RP of his Test was interesting. (party was made part of the Test..... and the scary part of it was he had to PROVE his rejection of the Dark Queen, as this was during the war of the lance time frame. Near the end of the war.)
Probably not. Draconians with innate spellcasting abilities don't use quite the same magic as sorcerers do. They can use their spells even when Chaos hasn't enhanced the primal magic of the world, as he did in the Summer of Chaos (and when he bounced around as the Graygem). Like dragons, draconians can access the primal magic of the world without requiring a chaotic "wild magic" filter.
See, this is why I prefer sorcery to simply be the wild magic that draconians and dragons use, because otherwise you have a fifth type of magic.
Why SP had to go with something else, I don't know.
See, this is why I prefer sorcery to simply be the wild magic that draconians and dragons use, because otherwise you have a fifth type of magic.
Why SP had to go with something else, I don't know.
It's not really a 5th type of magic. Really, they use Wild Sorcery as they have a natural connection to it. They just don't need Chaos to boost the ambient magic in order for them to access it. It's an innate connection, so to speak.
See, this is why I prefer sorcery to simply be the wild magic that draconians and dragons use, because otherwise you have a fifth type of magic.\
Picture them as hoses. One has a spray cap on. The other doesn't. They're still hoses.
Also, as an NPC an Aurik's Wizard levels are nonassociated. He gets almost twice as many for the same increase in CR.
Pretty much what virtual levels do is already make the decision for you. With an Aurak.. you *have* to play a sorceror or a sorceror/something. You want to play a Flame Draconian.. you have to play a barbarian or barbarian/something. You want to play a lightning draconian.. you have to play a paladin or paladin/something(this one i find the most humerous because what if it turns evil?
In 3.5 everything has the potential to be good/neutral/evil..) I think one or two powers associated with the class would show that the drac has a "bent" for it, instead of adding anywhere from 5-8 virtual levels. The virtual levels plus HD just make the race too clunky As I said before, I personally dont consider the sorceror ability from draconians different than the sorcery ability from humans, elves, etc. I find it amazing it is even said to be different. More like a fix.. when people ask.. why could they always cast sorceror spells and humans/elves/etc couldnt... uh.. its different... dragons belong to the.. um hmm.. world.. yea thats it.
But yea.. I look at some of these races and change them on a case by case basis so that they are playable by people and make more sense. There is absolutely nothing overpowering about an Aurak preparing spells using wizardry instead of just using sorcery.
As I said before, I personally dont consider the sorceror ability from draconians different than the sorcery ability from humans, elves, etc. I find it amazing it is even said to be different. More like a fix.. when people ask.. why could they always cast sorceror spells and humans/elves/etc couldnt... uh.. its different... dragons belong to the.. um hmm.. world.. yea thats it.
Of course it's a fix. That's one of the biggest challenges the designers and writers who work with Dragonlance have to face - there's 20 years of contradictions, complications, and developments that affect everything. Almost every decision that's made is bound to upset somebody, especially if that somebody enjoyed an adventure in the past 20 years which used that feature in some significant way. We have to juggle novels and what happens in them, with D&D3E and what standards that sets. And we have to abide by the current view on things, because the current view sets the benchmark for how we use the older stuff.
I'm sure nobody thinks this is easy. It's difficult, but it's ultimately rewarding. In addition, it's the most substantial effort in years to consolidate the various dangling threads of plotline and development, bring them together and make them all weave together. I know that I make every attempt not to sweep something under the rug rather than weave it in, but you never can tell with some of the material that's left to us from the past.
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Cam
This is supposed to be a question about can draconians turn their sorceror spellcasting levels into wizard spellcasting levels, NOT A RANT ABOUT ALL YOUR PROBLEMS WITH DRACONIANS, DRAGONSPAWN AND THE KINDS OF MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cam