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Illusions, Robes & WoHS

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#1
zombiegleemax
Oct 12, 2004 22:58:08 Could a Wizard of High Sorcery use an illusion to make his robes look a different colour? This would not be wearing robes of the other colour, just making them look like robes of that colour. I.E. A black-robed wizard is traveling in Solamnic-controlled areas, so he uses Alter Self to make him look like a White-Robe. Could that happen without offending any rules? This thread is JUST for this question, not for other related issues.
#2
green_cloaked_sorcerer
Oct 12, 2004 23:14:30
Could a Wizard of High Sorcery use an illusion to make his robes look a different colour? This would not be wearing robes of the other colour, just making them look like robes of that colour. I.E. A black-robed wizard is traveling in Solamnic-controlled areas, so he uses Alter Self to make him look like a White-Robe. Could that happen without offending any rules? This thread is JUST for this question, not for other related issues.

Well I believe that it breaks some rule. I don't know what the rule is but I'm sure it does. Plus wizards don't really have to ever hide themselves as they are usually well respected no matter what color robe they wear. Even Dalamar never did that they wear thier robes proudly though so I don't think they WOULD ever do that, but thats my opinion. Though YES one could use a spell to alter their robes, i just believe it would be unnessicary.

GCS
#3
true_blue
Oct 13, 2004 0:14:21 Actually in Dragons of Winter Night, Tanis tells Raistlin to put on a robe of Elistan's so that he wont show up as a red stain on the face of the mountain and wont be seen. Nothing else is said about it, so its assumed he did it. I dont see much of a problem with someone doing it. I think the WoHS *might* have a problem if the wizard established himself in a region as a different colored robe, but just in passing I dont think its as big of a deal. I think sometimes people get way to wrapped up in the Robe thing. Its already established that lots of wizards just dont wear robes all the time, they just usually wear signs of the robe they favor. But I dont see it as heretical to wear a different robe, as long as you didnt try to fool another wizard or so. I dunno, personally I'd let a wizard try to fool the common person or any non-WoHS. Any wizard though would have to be notified of the affiliation. But other people may think differently.
#4
Charles_Phipps
Oct 13, 2004 0:33:55 Wizards of High sorcery kill each other outside of their towers with impunity. Any reprocussions would be unofficial for a Black Robe who defamed the name of White or Red robes but he'd be doing what comes naturally for him.

While a renegade, a Black Robe masquerades as a Red Robe in the Meetings Sextet where Tas meets Tanis and Flint. He uses it to become the advisor to a Knight of Solamnia.
#5
zombiegleemax
Oct 13, 2004 7:56:39 You could obviously never get away with wearing a robe of an Order other than your own within a Tower of High Sorcery or other holding belonging to the Orders.

Out in the world however, a wizard can employ disguises as they see fit. However, the Order of the White Robes (or any other Order) would probably investigate reports of one of "their" wizards behaving in a fashion inconsistent with the alignment of their Order. They could then act against him or her as they see fit.
#6
zombiegleemax
Oct 13, 2004 9:47:19 He was more black then red, and he wanted not to get lynched by Solamnic peasants. All he was doing was trading Identify spells for magic items.(This is an example from my campaign). Thanks!
#7
zombiegleemax
Oct 13, 2004 22:07:03 I don't think it would be considered an infraction to disguise your robe color outside the towers. Many wizards of all orders do so, especially when passing through areas hostile to their particular color or chioce of vocation in general. If all you're doing is changing the color of your robes and not trying to pretend to be a member of a different order then there should be no problem. Now if say you were trying to pretend to be a wizard of another robe that I think would be an infraction. Such as, if a white robe were to say, pretend to be a black robe or red robe and intentionally represent himself for whatever reasons; wanting to cast forbidden magic, undermine said order in an area, sell illicit goods. Purposefully misrepresenting oneself as a member of another order should not be tolerated as it leads to all sorts of nasty tricks and an undermining of magic in general.

Although I would hope that someone who has passed The Test would be proud enough to wear his or her color in public despite public opinion. After all they are effectively clerics of the moons so they have nothing to be ashamed of....or do they.

Hope my humble opinion helps.
#8
zombiegleemax
Oct 13, 2004 22:58:20
I don't think it would be considered an infraction to disguise your robe color outside the towers. Many wizards of all orders do so, especially when passing through areas hostile to their particular color or chioce of vocation in general.

Although I would hope that someone who has passed The Test would be proud enough to wear his or her color in public despite public opinion. After all they are effectively clerics of the moons so they have nothing to be ashamed of....or do they.

Hope my humble opinion helps.

2001 angry mobsters that want to lynch a black robe are trouble to even the strongest mage. If they asked what order, he would have said black... but they didnt. :D . Proud yes, but while dying for your magic is nice, living for it so you can discover new spells, create artifacts, ETC is even better.
#9
zombiegleemax
Oct 14, 2004 8:25:23 Just how "public" wizards are apt to be depends heavily on where they are. Also remember that not everyone is familiar with the Orders or the significance of the Robes. The Age of Despair removed wizards from the public eye in many lands.

Also note that wizards do not have exclusive ownership of the colors red, black and white. Other people wear black cloaks for example. Flamboyant nobles may wear white or red attire. That doesn't make them wizards.

If a lynch mob is chasing a spellcaster they probably do not care if he's a WoHS, a renegade wizard, or a sorceror.
#10
zombiegleemax
Oct 14, 2004 8:28:32
2001 angry mobsters that want to lynch a black robe are trouble to even the strongest mage. If they asked what order, he would have said black... but they didnt. :D . Proud yes, but while dying for your magic is nice, living for it so you can discover new spells, create artifacts, ETC is even better.

That last bit was just a cheap shot at the intolerance, arrgoance, and pridefullness of the orders. Not to be taken seriously. I do agree that sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

Edit: Sorry I typed this from my wives computer, this post is from Koranith and not Pendal. Man do I hate mornings.

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#1 zombiegleemax Oct 12, 2004 22:58:08	Could a Wizard of High Sorcery use an illusion to make his robes look a different colour? This would not be wearing robes of the other colour, just making them look like robes of that colour. I.E. A black-robed wizard is traveling in Solamnic-controlled areas, so he uses Alter Self to make him look like a White-Robe. Could that happen without offending any rules? This thread is JUST for this question, not for other related issues.
#2 green_cloaked_sorcerer Oct 12, 2004 23:14:30	Could a Wizard of High Sorcery use an illusion to make his robes look a different colour? This would not be wearing robes of the other colour, just making them look like robes of that colour. I.E. A black-robed wizard is traveling in Solamnic-controlled areas, so he uses Alter Self to make him look like a White-Robe. Could that happen without offending any rules? This thread is JUST for this question, not for other related issues. Well I believe that it breaks some rule. I don't know what the rule is but I'm sure it does. Plus wizards don't really have to ever hide themselves as they are usually well respected no matter what color robe they wear. Even Dalamar never did that they wear thier robes proudly though so I don't think they WOULD ever do that, but thats my opinion. Though YES one could use a spell to alter their robes, i just believe it would be unnessicary. GCS
#3 true_blue Oct 13, 2004 0:14:21	Actually in Dragons of Winter Night, Tanis tells Raistlin to put on a robe of Elistan's so that he wont show up as a red stain on the face of the mountain and wont be seen. Nothing else is said about it, so its assumed he did it. I dont see much of a problem with someone doing it. I think the WoHS might have a problem if the wizard established himself in a region as a different colored robe, but just in passing I dont think its as big of a deal. I think sometimes people get way to wrapped up in the Robe thing. Its already established that lots of wizards just dont wear robes all the time, they just usually wear signs of the robe they favor. But I dont see it as heretical to wear a different robe, as long as you didnt try to fool another wizard or so. I dunno, personally I'd let a wizard try to fool the common person or any non-WoHS. Any wizard though would have to be notified of the affiliation. But other people may think differently.
#4 Charles_Phipps Oct 13, 2004 0:33:55	Wizards of High sorcery kill each other outside of their towers with impunity. Any reprocussions would be unofficial for a Black Robe who defamed the name of White or Red robes but he'd be doing what comes naturally for him. While a renegade, a Black Robe masquerades as a Red Robe in the Meetings Sextet where Tas meets Tanis and Flint. He uses it to become the advisor to a Knight of Solamnia.
#5 zombiegleemax Oct 13, 2004 7:56:39	You could obviously never get away with wearing a robe of an Order other than your own within a Tower of High Sorcery or other holding belonging to the Orders. Out in the world however, a wizard can employ disguises as they see fit. However, the Order of the White Robes (or any other Order) would probably investigate reports of one of "their" wizards behaving in a fashion inconsistent with the alignment of their Order. They could then act against him or her as they see fit.
#6 zombiegleemax Oct 13, 2004 9:47:19	He was more black then red, and he wanted not to get lynched by Solamnic peasants. All he was doing was trading Identify spells for magic items.(This is an example from my campaign). Thanks!
#7 zombiegleemax Oct 13, 2004 22:07:03	I don't think it would be considered an infraction to disguise your robe color outside the towers. Many wizards of all orders do so, especially when passing through areas hostile to their particular color or chioce of vocation in general. If all you're doing is changing the color of your robes and not trying to pretend to be a member of a different order then there should be no problem. Now if say you were trying to pretend to be a wizard of another robe that I think would be an infraction. Such as, if a white robe were to say, pretend to be a black robe or red robe and intentionally represent himself for whatever reasons; wanting to cast forbidden magic, undermine said order in an area, sell illicit goods. Purposefully misrepresenting oneself as a member of another order should not be tolerated as it leads to all sorts of nasty tricks and an undermining of magic in general. Although I would hope that someone who has passed The Test would be proud enough to wear his or her color in public despite public opinion. After all they are effectively clerics of the moons so they have nothing to be ashamed of....or do they. Hope my humble opinion helps.
#8 zombiegleemax Oct 13, 2004 22:58:20	I don't think it would be considered an infraction to disguise your robe color outside the towers. Many wizards of all orders do so, especially when passing through areas hostile to their particular color or chioce of vocation in general. Although I would hope that someone who has passed The Test would be proud enough to wear his or her color in public despite public opinion. After all they are effectively clerics of the moons so they have nothing to be ashamed of....or do they. Hope my humble opinion helps. 2001 angry mobsters that want to lynch a black robe are trouble to even the strongest mage. If they asked what order, he would have said black... but they didnt. :D . Proud yes, but while dying for your magic is nice, living for it so you can discover new spells, create artifacts, ETC is even better.
#9 zombiegleemax Oct 14, 2004 8:25:23	Just how "public" wizards are apt to be depends heavily on where they are. Also remember that not everyone is familiar with the Orders or the significance of the Robes. The Age of Despair removed wizards from the public eye in many lands. Also note that wizards do not have exclusive ownership of the colors red, black and white. Other people wear black cloaks for example. Flamboyant nobles may wear white or red attire. That doesn't make them wizards. If a lynch mob is chasing a spellcaster they probably do not care if he's a WoHS, a renegade wizard, or a sorceror.
#10 zombiegleemax Oct 14, 2004 8:28:32	2001 angry mobsters that want to lynch a black robe are trouble to even the strongest mage. If they asked what order, he would have said black... but they didnt. :D . Proud yes, but while dying for your magic is nice, living for it so you can discover new spells, create artifacts, ETC is even better. That last bit was just a cheap shot at the intolerance, arrgoance, and pridefullness of the orders. Not to be taken seriously. I do agree that sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. Edit: Sorry I typed this from my wives computer, this post is from Koranith and not Pendal. Man do I hate mornings.