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Wizards' Conclave vs TOHS

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#1
zombiegleemax
Oct 13, 2004 17:21:13 The attitude toward sorcery from wizards of high sorcery seeme to cahnge in each book.

In Wizards' Conclave the wizards hate sorcey, each and everyone of them.
In TOWH they say that white robes ignore them right now, and red robes are even want to learn about them. it seems funny to me. sense high sorcery was created to bypass to chaos of the sorcery and now Lunitary want to deal with dangerous thingy like that??? sounds weird...

Im with Wizards' Conclave attitude, what do you think?
#2
Charles_Phipps
Oct 13, 2004 17:49:04 I believe that sorcerers should have Majere and Chemosh support them though. That way the Gods of Wizardry won't have a monopoly on magic anymore and we can maybe have them take up other roles as well in the game.

I also like wars of baseless hatred :-)

The attitude toward sorcery from wizards of high sorcery seeme to cahnge in each book.

In Wizards' Conclave the wizards hate sorcey, each and everyone of them.
In TOWH they say that white robes ignore them right now, and red robes are even want to learn about them. it seems funny to me. sense high sorcery was created to bypass to chaos of the sorcery and now Lunitary want to deal with dangerous thingy like that??? sounds weird...

Im with Wizards' Conclave attitude, what do you think?

My estimation of what happened is in Wizard's Conclave that Nuitari's mouthpiece in Dalamar tried to get them to wage war on sorcery. This was only those 16 wizards though. They'd lost alot and the gods were initially very angry.

Coryn however has mitigated everyone's opinions EXCEPT Dalamar and Nuitari's though and Lunitari is a goddess whom I summarize as the kender goddess

"Sorcery is bad! Bad! BAD...Ooo something shiny! GIMME!"
#3
Dragonhelm
Oct 13, 2004 17:55:24 I think the events in Wizards' Conclave stem from initial reactions from the gods, and are the events that lead up to the Conclave's decision on magic, as seen in ToHS.

I can picture a scene in my head where they Conclave is gathered to discuss how they will approach wild magic, after the attack by Kalrakin and Luthor.

So here we have this debate, and Dalamar is being, well...., Dalamar. ;) He's giving this huge speech on the evils of Wild Sorcery. Jenna is sitting there contemplating matters.

Suddenly, Coryn gets up, and says, "Enough!". She goes into an oratory of her own, chastising Dalamar for his reaction, and mentioning how some wizards were, as Tobin has said, hypocrites. She reminds them that Wild Sorcery is what saved them, and goes into a long, detailed history of the benefits of Wild Sorcery in the 5th age.

Jenna then gets up, commends both Dalamar and Coryn for their speeches, and then asks each of them to look into their heart, to seek the will of the gods they worship.

As the debate goes on, a decision is made on how to approach things.

Dalamar discusses events with his fellow Black Robes, and comes to the conclusion that sorcerers will be studied, but only to further the power of the Black Robes. Nuitari is pleased.

While Coryn is the champion of Wild Sorcery, she speaks with her fellow White Robes, and the consensus is that sorcerers will be invited into the WoHS as wizards, and those who don't join will be watched to make sure that they don't become dangerous.

Jenna surprises everyone with the decision that the Red Robes are to study sorcerers for the betterment of magic. Dalamar and Coryn are stunned by this, but Jenna reminds them that the balance should also apply between wizards and sorcerers, and that the purpose of the WoHS is to do what they can for the betterment of magic. Jenna secretly feels ashamed for her actions in Wizards' Conclave.

That's my take on events, and serves as the resolution between the two. I like the anti-sorcerer bias, but I think it makes things more interesting still to temper that with the edicts of the Orders of High Sorcery.
#4
zombiegleemax
Oct 13, 2004 21:41:05 Both positions are not in conflict.

Consider that when the gods first return they find the wild magic pervasive upon Krynn like never before. Under the circumstances drastic action is necessary to reform the Orders, the focus of High Sorcery in the world. Let's just say they panicked.

Kalrakin, for his part, certainly does not endear sorcerors to the wizards that assemble to reclaim Wayreth, and so many who were there may feel some anger, especially given all the lives that were lost taking the Tower back.

But now that the gods have the Tower and a functioning Conclave again they have an opportunity to calm down and consider the situation more rationally.

Wild magic is nothing new to them. Indeed, they were the ones that allowed the Graygem to be released into the world, spread wild magic as it went. That was the "spark" they used to ignite the bonfire of arcane magic. If, as described in the back of Dragons of a Vanished Moon, arcane magic is "ambient creation force", and High Sorcery is "focused creation force", then wild magic can eventually be directed, channeled, ordered and focused into High Sorcery. Indeed, this was exactly the case in the Age of Dreams.

The hazard is that wild magic is a product of Chaos. It got a little out of control when the elves used it to defeat the dragons and caused much loss of life. Worse, the damage caused many people to hate and distrust magic. Imposing some order on things was deemed necessary.

But the gods didn't slaughter the sorcerors then and they don't seem to be planning to now. Two of them at least. Nuitari dislikes threats to his authority, plus the largest organization of sorcerors, the Thorn Knights are an irritant to him. Beings gods, and having laid the foundations of the new Orders, they can afford to take a long-term view.

They already have one Tower in full operation, and a second that one of them is keeping hidden. Plus Nightlund remains an option as well. So they possess real estate. They are acquiring headcount. Aside from remnants of the old Orders there are students from Palin's Academy and others that feel the call of High Sorcery. Recruitment will keep them busy. New relationships are being forged as well. The White Robes are finally reaching an agreement with the Knights of Solamnia it seems. Other people have learned just how badly life actually sucks without magic and wizards have an opportunity to take advantage of that open door. Remember that given that they can have a much larger repertoire of spells than a sorceror, the wizards can learn a great deal more "utilitarian" magic without worrying about spell slots. So wizards are likely to predominate as Spellbrokers.

With much work on the table to be done I don't see pogroms being instituted against sorcerors any time soon. The wizards have better things to do, and the gods are more likely to want to spread High Sorcery and thus tame the wild magic as they did before.

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#1 zombiegleemax Oct 13, 2004 17:21:13	The attitude toward sorcery from wizards of high sorcery seeme to cahnge in each book. In Wizards' Conclave the wizards hate sorcey, each and everyone of them. In TOWH they say that white robes ignore them right now, and red robes are even want to learn about them. it seems funny to me. sense high sorcery was created to bypass to chaos of the sorcery and now Lunitary want to deal with dangerous thingy like that??? sounds weird... Im with Wizards' Conclave attitude, what do you think?
#2 Charles_Phipps Oct 13, 2004 17:49:04	I believe that sorcerers should have Majere and Chemosh support them though. That way the Gods of Wizardry won't have a monopoly on magic anymore and we can maybe have them take up other roles as well in the game. I also like wars of baseless hatred :-) The attitude toward sorcery from wizards of high sorcery seeme to cahnge in each book. In Wizards' Conclave the wizards hate sorcey, each and everyone of them. In TOWH they say that white robes ignore them right now, and red robes are even want to learn about them. it seems funny to me. sense high sorcery was created to bypass to chaos of the sorcery and now Lunitary want to deal with dangerous thingy like that??? sounds weird... Im with Wizards' Conclave attitude, what do you think? My estimation of what happened is in Wizard's Conclave that Nuitari's mouthpiece in Dalamar tried to get them to wage war on sorcery. This was only those 16 wizards though. They'd lost alot and the gods were initially very angry. Coryn however has mitigated everyone's opinions EXCEPT Dalamar and Nuitari's though and Lunitari is a goddess whom I summarize as the kender goddess "Sorcery is bad! Bad! BAD...Ooo something shiny! GIMME!"
#3 Dragonhelm Oct 13, 2004 17:55:24	I think the events in Wizards' Conclave stem from initial reactions from the gods, and are the events that lead up to the Conclave's decision on magic, as seen in ToHS. I can picture a scene in my head where they Conclave is gathered to discuss how they will approach wild magic, after the attack by Kalrakin and Luthor. So here we have this debate, and Dalamar is being, well...., Dalamar. ;) He's giving this huge speech on the evils of Wild Sorcery. Jenna is sitting there contemplating matters. Suddenly, Coryn gets up, and says, "Enough!". She goes into an oratory of her own, chastising Dalamar for his reaction, and mentioning how some wizards were, as Tobin has said, hypocrites. She reminds them that Wild Sorcery is what saved them, and goes into a long, detailed history of the benefits of Wild Sorcery in the 5th age. Jenna then gets up, commends both Dalamar and Coryn for their speeches, and then asks each of them to look into their heart, to seek the will of the gods they worship. As the debate goes on, a decision is made on how to approach things. Dalamar discusses events with his fellow Black Robes, and comes to the conclusion that sorcerers will be studied, but only to further the power of the Black Robes. Nuitari is pleased. While Coryn is the champion of Wild Sorcery, she speaks with her fellow White Robes, and the consensus is that sorcerers will be invited into the WoHS as wizards, and those who don't join will be watched to make sure that they don't become dangerous. Jenna surprises everyone with the decision that the Red Robes are to study sorcerers for the betterment of magic. Dalamar and Coryn are stunned by this, but Jenna reminds them that the balance should also apply between wizards and sorcerers, and that the purpose of the WoHS is to do what they can for the betterment of magic. Jenna secretly feels ashamed for her actions in Wizards' Conclave. That's my take on events, and serves as the resolution between the two. I like the anti-sorcerer bias, but I think it makes things more interesting still to temper that with the edicts of the Orders of High Sorcery.
#4 zombiegleemax Oct 13, 2004 21:41:05	Both positions are not in conflict. Consider that when the gods first return they find the wild magic pervasive upon Krynn like never before. Under the circumstances drastic action is necessary to reform the Orders, the focus of High Sorcery in the world. Let's just say they panicked. Kalrakin, for his part, certainly does not endear sorcerors to the wizards that assemble to reclaim Wayreth, and so many who were there may feel some anger, especially given all the lives that were lost taking the Tower back. But now that the gods have the Tower and a functioning Conclave again they have an opportunity to calm down and consider the situation more rationally. Wild magic is nothing new to them. Indeed, they were the ones that allowed the Graygem to be released into the world, spread wild magic as it went. That was the "spark" they used to ignite the bonfire of arcane magic. If, as described in the back of Dragons of a Vanished Moon, arcane magic is "ambient creation force", and High Sorcery is "focused creation force", then wild magic can eventually be directed, channeled, ordered and focused into High Sorcery. Indeed, this was exactly the case in the Age of Dreams. The hazard is that wild magic is a product of Chaos. It got a little out of control when the elves used it to defeat the dragons and caused much loss of life. Worse, the damage caused many people to hate and distrust magic. Imposing some order on things was deemed necessary. But the gods didn't slaughter the sorcerors then and they don't seem to be planning to now. Two of them at least. Nuitari dislikes threats to his authority, plus the largest organization of sorcerors, the Thorn Knights are an irritant to him. Beings gods, and having laid the foundations of the new Orders, they can afford to take a long-term view. They already have one Tower in full operation, and a second that one of them is keeping hidden. Plus Nightlund remains an option as well. So they possess real estate. They are acquiring headcount. Aside from remnants of the old Orders there are students from Palin's Academy and others that feel the call of High Sorcery. Recruitment will keep them busy. New relationships are being forged as well. The White Robes are finally reaching an agreement with the Knights of Solamnia it seems. Other people have learned just how badly life actually sucks without magic and wizards have an opportunity to take advantage of that open door. Remember that given that they can have a much larger repertoire of spells than a sorceror, the wizards can learn a great deal more "utilitarian" magic without worrying about spell slots. So wizards are likely to predominate as Spellbrokers. With much work on the table to be done I don't see pogroms being instituted against sorcerors any time soon. The wizards have better things to do, and the gods are more likely to want to spread High Sorcery and thus tame the wild magic as they did before.