1. I was curious if anyone saw Chemosh becoming the new Crown of all Evil in Ansalom. Does he have what it takes to usurp Sargonnes?
2. Does Chemosh truly love Mina and will he make her some kind of Chosen or God? Or will he end up destroying her for making him weak?
Note for Mod: This isn't novel related as Mina makes regular guest appearences in my campaign and her usage would be drastically affected by some sort of magical blessing let alone becoming a demigod in the new pantheon.
3. Is Chemosh's expansion of his church limited to his Vampires?
I frankly just use normal vampires and don't try to "Krynn them up" but I am curious if he's trying to get more mortal worshippers
4. Will Chemosh's rites change any?
If he's trying to make death more attractive, it may draw some pretty bizarre folk (I'm reminded of Shar in FR)
5. Is Chemosh the patron god of ogres or is that Morgion?
I'm curious really who will patronize the Ogres, Tarmaks, and other races as the Evil gods start divying up the booty.
1. I was curious if anyone saw Chemosh becoming the new Crown of all Evil in Ansalom. Does he have what it takes to usurp Sargonnes?
No. Sargonnas will smite him mightily. ;)
Seriously, it's up in the air. Sargonnas is THE major power of the evil pantheon now, but Chemosh is trying to usurp him.
2. Does Chemosh truly love Mina and will he make her some kind of Chosen or God? Or will he end up destroying her for making him weak?
Chemosh truly does love Mina, but I think it's beyond his power to make her a god. Now, he may make her some sort of immortal being - maybe.
3. Is Chemosh's expansion of his church limited to his Vampires?
The Beloved of Chemosh is his new direction, but I don't think it is his only one. In my mind, the gods have multiple schemes and ideas going on at once. Chemosh may be having a new focus, but he can't deny his own nature - that of a deity of undeath.
He will still attract mortal followers, some of which will become his Beloved, others of which will undoubtedly have other uses.
4. Will Chemosh's rites change any?
If he's trying to make death more attractive, it may draw some pretty bizarre folk (I'm reminded of Shar in FR)
Maybe some in regards to the Beloved.
5. Is Chemosh the patron god of ogres or is that Morgion?
I'm curious really who will patronize the Ogres, Tarmaks, and other races as the Evil gods start divying up the booty.
The big god for the ogres is Takhisis. However, she is not the only god the ogres revere. With her death, the ogre shamans who worshipped her may be looking towards other gods.
Some ogres worship Sargas (Sargonnas), which they picked up from the minotaurs when they were the minos' masters. I can't remember which of the other gods they worship.
You may wish to check out Holy Orders of the Stars when it comes out for more info.
Some ogres worship Sargas (Sargonnas), which they picked up from the minotaurs when they were the minos' masters. I can't remember which of the other gods they worship.
I believe Ogres call him Gonnas...or at least, the ogres of Winterheim (Icewall) did. And as described he's a "large, black, bull minotaur." ("bull" meaning male, not bovine...I asume)
Limiting Sargonnas to the minotaurs is a strange idea, especially since he's a greater god and the number of minotaurs is proportionately fewer than, say, humans or ogres.
Cheers,
Cam
Chemosh is trying to make his message of undeath (and thus servitude to him) more appealing, hence the vampires (which always astonished me that he had not done this before). But I'm sure that once he has enough of them he'll slow down the "conversions" and focus on recruiting living worshippers with the promise of "immortality" down the road.
For now at least I think he's in love with Mina. Being that he's probably not very experienced with that emotion it's not surprising that he's befuddled by it. But as in many relationships the initial glamor will probably wear off and he may tire of her.
It's unlikely the ogres took the worship of Sargonnas from the minotaurs. they predate the horned ones by thousands of years, and Sargonnas wasn't just sitting around the whole time without worship.
Limiting Sargonnas to the minotaurs is a strange idea, especially since he's a greater god and the number of minotaurs is proportionately fewer than, say, humans or ogres.
Cheers,
Cam
Sargonnas does have human worshippers, as has been stated multiple times in multiple sources ... so I completely agree that it'd make no sense limiting Sargonnas' worship to minotaurs.
As for minotaurs proportionate to ogres, here's quoting myself from another post (all numbers circa War of the Lance):
Total Population of Ansalon: 3,896,071
Humans: 2,212,786 (56.8 % of total population)
Ogres: 309,650 (7.9 %)
Minotaurs: 306,250 (7.9 %)
It's unlikely the ogres took the worship of Sargonnas from the minotaurs. they predate the horned ones by thousands of years, and Sargonnas wasn't just sitting around the whole time without worship.
I remember reading somewhere (DLCS?) that the ogres took to worshipping Sargas (taking the minotaur name for him as well) after enslaving the minotaurs. Now, perhaps it was just that one group of ogres, and perhaps there was some worship prior to that. I'm not sure.
Tobin, I think the Gonnas name is just for the Icewall region.
Limiting Sargonnas to the minotaurs is a strange idea, especially since he's a greater god and the number of minotaurs is proportionately fewer than, say, humans or ogres.
Agreed! The minotaurs are his favored children, but not his only followers. There are some elves who follow him (Cult of the Bloody Condor), and many humans would revere him. I imagine some Knights of Takhisis may revere him as a god of honor and strength (what few honorable ones are left).
Basically, anyone who has the heart for vengeance could end up revering Sargonnas.
The Ogres worshipped all the gods of evil though but were so consumed by decadence that they lost their value to them. The restoration of the Ogre Titans (provided they can discover a way to keep their existence without elf blood which isn't in eternal supply) means that their value just went up. Especially if Ogre magi start coming to the Ogre empire to join them.
Mixing in some old fashion human blood into things might also make them stronger.
The Ogres have to form a new religion though with the Dark Queen's death and a race being "patronized" by a single god would be much more potent I think than one whom merely had their general blessing.
The Tarmaks equally so (Though the Tarmaks I think are Half-Ogre/Half Elves crossbreeded into a new race...like gully dwarves).
The Tarmaks equally so (Though the Tarmaks I think are Half-Ogre/Half Elves crossbreeded into a new race...like gully dwarves).
They can't be. The ogre/elf mix makes goblins.
And yeah, Trampas...you're right...didn't we just talk about this a week ago? LOL! Sorry...I have zero memory these days...
They can't be. The ogre/elf mix makes goblins.
That's the first I've ever heard of that. I thought that hobgoblins were one of the Graygem races (and goblins in general). The idea of them being the product of said relationships seems a tad unbelievable. I can believe it happened on some island though...not on mainland Krynn though.
In any case, I do think Chemosh has a chance with the Minotaur Ancestor Worship cult as much as anyone to gaining their worship. I wish someone would detail an afterlife on Krynn rather than the "River of Souls" thing, at least for the Abyssals.
Then Chemosh as "Lord of the Dead" and holder of souls makes sense, like Hades. New thought
1. Does Chemosh have Takhasis' soul?
That's the first I've ever heard of that. I thought that hobgoblins were one of the Graygem races (and goblins in general). The idea of them being the product of said relationships seems a tad unbelievable. I can believe it happened on some island though...not on mainland Krynn though.
It's a fairly well established "fact." It is said in TotL, SAGA, and I think in at least one 3e DL product. The Dragonlance Dungeon Master's Screen does an excellent job laying out the racial evolution tree.
But it is somewhat disputed.
Personally, I like the idea. I like the humans as the great equalizer in all things...including breeding. Being the "neutral" race...they can breed with any race and all it does is dillute the blood, so to speak. But if two non-human races breed...you end up with mutated children (gnome/dwarf = gully dwarf; elf/ogre = goblin).
The way I see it...is that the ogres would **** the elves in wars and raids and such. The elves would have the children, but would not kill them (being the lovers of life that they are). But they won't keep them either...so they leave them in the wilderness to "wash their hands of the child's death." And goblins...well, they're like cockroaches...they're very resilient and hard to eradicate...and breed like bunnies.
Perhaps the first goblin children were found by ogres...and in them they saw cheap labor or underlings? But once the race got going...there was no stopping them.
Then of course, the Greygem came along and created (from goblins...as the stalk race) hobgoblins, gnolls, bugbears, grimlocks (maybe), sligs, kobolds, kuo-toa, locathah, troglodytes, sahaugin, skum, and others along those lines.
Although, I think it's been retconned (to match the new D&D classification of the races) that some of those came from bakali instead (maybe the sligs and kobolds and troglodytes).
Although, I think it's been retconned (to match the new D&D classification of the races) that some of those came from bakali instead (maybe the sligs and kobolds and troglodytes).
They kender/ogre crossbreeds? They do seem pretty naive and like taking stuff
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They kender/ogre crossbreeds? They do seem pretty naive and like taking stuff
What's a Tarkmak?
Nevermind...I just realized it was a typo.
Uh...doesn't the DLDMS speculate on that? An off shoot of the high ogre or something? Sorry Charles, I can't remember at the moment.
I think it's quite plausible that Chemosh could become the main evil deity. He's more manipulative and calculating. Sargonnas was always hot-headed and rather hasty, attributes Takhisis always used to her advantage, and was why she duped him several times throughout Krynn's history. Unless Sargonnas learns to control his temper, and also looks more at the big picture versus his tunnel vision in regards to the minotaurs, then I don't think he will be the main baddie. Just my $.02
Zeboim has the same problem that Sargonnas has. Bad temper that often clouds her judgment
Hiddukel, we haven't heard enough about, and I'm kinda surprised he hasn't made a move yet.
Nuitari- he's doing his own thing as evidenced in Amber & Ashes. Aside from that, he's almost too paranoid to be a serious threat IMHO. And very fickle.
Chemosh- his weakness is one of his greatest strengths right now- Mina
Morgion- alot like Hiddukel. He seems IMO to be the polar opposite to Mishakal, so I would have expected him to unleash some kind of plan to take over the evil pantheon by now...
I think it's quite plausible that Chemosh could become the main evil deity. He's more manipulative and calculating.
Well, I don't like the fact that Sargonnas is a greater god. It sort of cuts off the dramatic tension of the race for the throne of evil if he is a greater god like Takhisis. I would rather have only 3 greater gods, so that the race would be a little more heated between Chemosh, Hiddukel and Sargonnas. The winner ascends to greater god status because that is seat on the pantheon that he holds.
Otherwise, you pretty much need an artificial reason for Sargonnas to be reduced in power. We already know that they don't lose power if they don't get worshipped...
Sargonnas was always hot-headed and rather hasty, attributes Takhisis always used to her advantage, and was why she duped him several times throughout Krynn's history.
Well I myself don't like the idea of Sargonnas being interested in conquering the world, ala Takhisis-lite. Takhisis was the Dark Aphrodite, a goddess of physical and sexual lust. She was a god of tyranny because what you desire, you desire to possess.
I don't think that Sargonnas give's a kender penny for the world. Sargonnas cares about the blood-drenched fury and glory of war. He cares about that jolt of energy you get when the anger seizes you. He cares about the panic that causes other men to run when confronted by another man enraged. After all, we've all seen a fight in which a man will run, realize that cannot run, and turn a half circle to face his enemy. Then you have a contest of brute violence in which you feel the other person's flesh and bone crumble under you fists, feet, and weapon. The exultation and satisfaction that courses through you as you bury your enemy in his own blood and see him broken at your feet. At that moment, you have just met Sargonnas.
Sargonnas is violence... sexual, emotional, physical violence. He is that which tears apart civilizations through war and bloodshed. The cycle of vengence allows for the bloodshed to continue, generation after generation. Rule the world? What for? To Sargonnas, this is the sacred cycle of ritual, the liturgical calendar that praises him. Look at how he is cultivating followers from among the victimized and conquered elves.
In game terms, I think Sargonnas is really the only patron of evil barbarians aside from Zeboim (who is a storm goddess). I also think Sargonnas makes an excellent patron of blackguards, because it is usually crimes of violence and vengence which make paladins fall from grace.
Zeboim has the same problem that Sargonnas has. Bad temper that often clouds her judgment
Pun intended? ;) I'll have to see what Amber and Ashes is doing with Zeboim to see if I like it.
Hiddukel, we haven't heard enough about, and I'm kinda surprised he hasn't made a move yet.
I'd be suprised if we did. ;) I think he's definately making his move, but I don't think we'll know anything until Hiddukel feels like letting us in. He certainly has some resources though. Aside from the corrupt wealthy, he also has goblins, thieves, and demons to do his bidding.
Morgion- alot like Hiddukel. He seems IMO to be the polar opposite to Mishakal, so I would have expected him to unleash some kind of plan to take over the evil pantheon by now...
I see Morgion as a mad god, so who knows what he's up to.
Well, I don't like the fact that Sargonnas is a greater god. It sort of cuts off the dramatic tension of the race for the throne of evil if he is a greater god like Takhisis. I would rather have only 3 greater gods, so that the race would be a little more heated between Chemosh, Hiddukel and Sargonnas. The winner ascends to greater god status because that is seat on the pantheon that he holds.
It's been that way for a while now. I don't think that Sargonnas has to LOSE power to become the head of the pantheon though. He was a greater god before Takhasis died and same for if Chemosh becomes a greater god.
I personally want to see how Takhasis' porfolios were distributed. I could see Chemosh getting lust and other nasty vices while Sargy got the conquest bit.
Otherwise, you pretty much need an artificial reason for Sargonnas to be reduced in power. We already know that they don't lose power if they don't get worshipped...
No but we do know that they GAIN power.
Well I myself don't like the idea of Sargonnas being interested in conquering the world, ala Takhisis-lite.
Actually, totally different view. I saw Sargonnas as the one who was ALWAYS trying to take over the world. The Dark Knights must have INFURIATED Sargonnas because he's ultimately an honorable and noble god himself. Sure, he'll kill you and your entire family if you insult his dignity but who was behind the tactics during the war of the Lance...Sargonnas...who was probably most fond of kitiara...Sargonnas.
I'd like to see some history detailing what the other gods did personally to support their Queen's rulership.
Sargonnas cares about the blood-drenched fury and glory of war. He cares about that jolt of energy you get when the anger seizes you. He cares about the panic that causes other men to run when confronted by another man enraged. After all, we've all seen a fight in which a man will run, realize that cannot run, and turn a half circle to face his enemy. Then you have a contest of brute violence in which you feel the other person's flesh and bone crumble under you fists, feet, and weapon. The exultation and satisfaction that courses through you as you bury your enemy in his own blood and see him broken at your feet. At that moment, you have just met Sargonnas.
While I agree with you; I also think that Sargonnas is also fascism, self justifying hipocracy, arrogant pride, and the thin veneer of civility over decadence and wickedness. Sargonnas is the lying Julius Caesar whom plays to the crowds as he steals your democracy and the Sheriff of Nottingham when you tax your poor to oblivion to justify a pointless invasion for power.
He's not about the need to be ADORED like Takhasis or POSSESS but to CONTROL and DOMINATE. He's pretty much identical to Bane in that respect from Forgotten Realms.
Sargonnas is violence... sexual, emotional, physical violence.
I see him more about dominance. While I see what you're saying, that's describing more the God of Ogres than the respected god of the minotaurs.
In game terms, I think Sargonnas is really the only patron of evil barbarians aside from Zeboim (who is a storm goddess).
I see him as god of all evil warriors personally save perhaps Chemosh whom might get some being death and all (and certainly all assassins would pay Chemosh homage).
I also think Sargonnas makes an excellent patron of blackguards, because it is usually crimes of violence and vengence which make paladins fall from grace.
Like Jedi and Sith, I don't see Blackguards as mostly ex-paladins but just the famous ones. Ariakan is the quietessimal Blackguard as much as Lord Soth.
Takhisis and Paladine (and Gilean) were "high-end" Greater Gods, Divine Rank 18 or 19 maybe.
That does leave room open for the Top Spot here. While Sargonnas has a head start, it is unlikely that Chemosh (or any of the others) is less than Divine Rank 14 or 15.
If he can outthink the big minotaur it would not be inconceivable that he could jump past him on the Divine Rank scale and thus claim the top spot. Sargonnas's early lead could work against him, making him complacent against a strategically clever rival could allow that rival time to outflank him while he's busy prodding the bulls into stampeding Silvanesti.
After all, death is a wider area of concern to the average person than war, volcanos or even vengeance.
Like the volcano, Sargonnas accomplishes his goals, builds his monuments and delivers his promises through explosive and often widespread destruction, but channeled through a specific point. The consequences of wronging him, or his followers, are terrifying.
Cheers,
Cam
Zeboim has the same problem that Sargonnas has. Bad temper that often clouds her judgment
Like father, like daughter? ;)
Actually, I agree with Cam's sentiments on Sargonnas. Zeboim has a bad temper and is a very emotional god. Her moods can change with the tides, if you will.
Hiddukel, we haven't heard enough about, and I'm kinda surprised he hasn't made a move yet.
Hiddukel made the ULTIMATE move, and right under everyone's noses. That bit in Vanished Moon where he's talking about the balance...I have a theory on that, which states that Hiddukel knew full well what he was doing, and he played his cards in such a way to not only get rid of THE major opponent (Paladine), but his greatest rival as well (Takhisis).
Afterwards, he's probably laying low while the other gods slug it out. Let them waste their energy on each other, while he sneaks in at just the right moment to do something really nasty. And nobody will figure it out until it is too late.
Morgion- alot like Hiddukel. He seems IMO to be the polar opposite to Mishakal, so I would have expected him to unleash some kind of plan to take over the evil pantheon by now...
He probably has one, but hasn't unveild it yet.
If nothing else he can promise away old age's pains or even to make sure that the weak and old have easy deaths. It's interesting note how even malevolent gods might have 'good' or at least neutral clergy I think.
Though I'm not sure Dragonlance operates under these rules.
I am a bit surprised though, when did the clerics of evil gods start becoming accepted in polite society?
I am a bit surprised though, when did the clerics of evil gods start becoming accepted in polite society?
I think it depends on the circumstances. Certainly, people are wary of the evil gods. I think people, at times, are generally ignorant of the natures of the gods, or know that it's not wise to cross a god.
Zeboim, for example, is respected by mariners, who know that to not appease her is to call upon her wrath.
Some evil gods try to put a pretty face on what they're doing, so that way it's not so bad. Look at what Chemosh is doing with his Beloved.
I think it depends on the circumstances. Certainly, people are wary of the evil gods. I think people, at times, are generally ignorant of the natures of the gods, or know that it's not wise to cross a god.
Zeboim, for example, is respected by mariners, who know that to not appease her is to call upon her wrath.
Some evil gods try to put a pretty face on what they're doing, so that way it's not so bad. Look at what Chemosh is doing with his Beloved.
Absolutely, though personally I wonder if Chemosh remembered to put a block on Mina getting pregnant or other after affects that might result in her sex for your soul business coming undone. Though I would be curious as to what might happen should the God of the Dead have a child with her.
Any idea Cam what Chemosh' dogma will be like in the Holy Order of Stars? can you give us a few hints?
Any idea Cam what Chemosh' dogma will be like in the Holy Order of Stars? can you give us a few hints?
I think Amber & Ashes contains more than enough hints.
Cheers,
Cam
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HI! Your prayers have reached the Chemosh residence AND FORMALLY MINA'S, OH WHY HIGHGOD!?! WHY!?! Your god isn't available right now because he's mooning over his woman's loss.
Don't expect much in the way of support. If you are under attack by any deities (this means you Ausric) I'm afraid you must kiss your death-worshipping butt goodbye. We hope to restore spellgranting, undeath generating, and evil plots WHEN I GET MY MINA BACK! WAAAAAAH!
If you survive without me or care at this point you can leave a message at the sound of the tone for when, if ever, I get over her.
Meanwhile, back to moaning for mina...WHYY!?!?!?!
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If you want to become undead, press 2.
If you're a cleric and would like to command the undead, press 3.
Chemosh really ought to get a better voice mail. ;)
Sargonnes: With Takhasis' death, I want to be god of Sword Chucks.
Nuitari: What? That's the stupidiest thing I ever heard!
Chemosh: I have grasped the inner meaning of death! I am now invincible in my stats!
Nuitari: Oh High God, You think that we're all characters in a Roleplaying game again aren't you?
Chemosh: It is true!
Nuitari: HADDOKKEN!
Chemosh: MINNNAAAA!
*is blown back*
Nuitari: Okay, Hiddukiel, what's your current id....Damnit, who stole our pants!?
Hiddukiel: Hehehe, just sign here to get them back.
Sargonnas: Swords, I like swords.
Nuitari: I am suddenly realizing why Takhasis hated us all.....
*stabity death to all the other evil gods*
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Meanwhile....
Mishkale: Oh! When will we find the holy four whom will protect the universe from CHAOS!?
Majere: HA! So! Kick! Kick! Punch! Punch!
Mishkale: Majere, are you listening to me?
Majere: Break stuff!
Mishkale: Great....
Yes, what happens when four gods of darkness are mistaken for THE LIGHT WARRIORS
1. Does Lord Soth's soul now reside with him?
2. Is he in fact in any way related to the god Orcus?
3. CAN gods of Krynn elevate mortals to godhood?
(In which case was Raistlin's ascension the fruit of Nuitari's guidence?)
4. If he is the God of the Dead does that mean all dead in the Abyss are ruled by him or do they move on the River independent of him? Does he just 'keep' undead souls?
5. Does he rule Liches or Nuitari and if so does Chemosh want necromancy for himself?
(As stated, that's a type of sorcery)
Whether Chemosh is now god of all death, the dead, and the like along with the undead. I also have some interesting questions regarding him like...
1. Does Lord Soth's soul now reside with him?
I would think it wouldn't since Soth passed on before Chemosh and the other gods' return, so he might have missed his chance to capture his soul. Besides which, Soth finally found peace and was at rest when Tak finally killed him.
2. Is he in fact in any way related to the god Orcus?
I would say no, for the same reason that Takhisis is not the same as Tiamat, and Paladine is not the same as Bahamut.
3. CAN gods of Krynn elevate mortals to godhood?
(In which case was Raistlin's ascension the fruit of Nuitari's guidence?)
I don't think so, otherwise the balance would get thrown out of whack something fierce, and then the Highgod would probably step in. Why he didn't do this when Raistlin went god killing, I don't know. Probably just to show Caramon the potential for disaster, so he could dissuade Raist more effectively.
4. If he is the God of the Dead does that mean all dead in the Abyss are ruled by him or do they move on the River independent of him? Does he just 'keep' undead souls?
IMO, he keeps undead souls, but I don't have anything to back that up.
5. Does he rule Liches or Nuitari and if so does Chemosh want necromancy for himself?
This is a really good question. I think Chemosh grants 'lichdom' to an individual, but their magic is granted to them via Nuitari (like Fistandantilus). This sounds like a big no-no given that entities cannot worship 2 gods, much less a moon god and a 'divine' god. The other thing is, Necromancy crosses both sorcery and clerical spells in some cases. I'd be interested in hearing how this is supposed to work in Dragonlance as it's something I hadn't considered before.
I would think it wouldn't since Soth passed on after Chemosh and the other gods' return, so he might have missed his chance to capture his soul. Besides which, Soth finally found peace and was at rest when Tak finally killed him.
I think that the souls, to pass on to their next life, must be willing to let go of their attachments to this life. (very Buddhist, Hindu) The role Chemosh serves is to scoop up the souls that linger on the earthly plane or to make pacts with souls to allow them to cement their lives on the earthly plane.
Of course, the subject of what exactly happens to the dead is a bit fuzz with this whole "River of Souls" shtick that WoS introduced. I had assumed that evil souls just went to the Abyss and good souls went to the Dome of Creation before.
This is a really good question. I think Chemosh grants 'lichdom' to an individual, but their magic is granted to them via Nuitari (like Fistandantilus).
Well this is the problem with having a god of both black magic and of necromancy.
I've always asserted that since to become undead Chemosh owns your soul, liches would in essence be renegades. Add to that fact that liches hoard magical and temporal power within the conclave and you've got a recipe for really screwing up the flourishing of black magic.
This is a really good question. I think Chemosh grants 'lichdom' to an individual, but their magic is granted to them via Nuitari (like Fistandantilus). This sounds like a big no-no given that entities cannot worship 2 gods, much less a moon god and a 'divine' god. The other thing is, Necromancy crosses both sorcery and clerical spells in some cases. I'd be interested in hearing how this is supposed to work in Dragonlance as it's something I hadn't considered before.
It would resolve a lot of questions about Fistandalius being a renegade if he was a Lich actually (I disagree with this personally as the bloodstone is very clearly a Takhasis created artifact) and also where all the powerful Liches are in the Conclave if all of them worshipped Chemosh rather than Nuitari in exchange for their immortality.
Necromancy I think works best if Chemosh is fostering his own orders of Mystics, Renegade Arcane mages, and Sorcerers personally. It would add a further layer of cool to him.
I think that the souls, to pass on to their next life, must be willing to let go of their attachments to this life. (very Buddhist, Hindu) The role Chemosh serves is to scoop up the souls that linger on the earthly plane or to make pacts with souls to allow them to cement their lives on the earthly plane.
Of course, the subject of what exactly happens to the dead is a bit fuzz with this whole "River of Souls" shtick that WoS introduced. I had assumed that evil souls just went to the Abyss and good souls went to the Dome of Creation before.
Regarding Soth, Takhisis kinda shot herself in the foot when she scooped up the banshees into the river of souls, thereby ending Soth's eternal torment. He had time to reflect without the banshees around, and even said that he finally found peace, and didn't want anything to do with the offer of being an undead general. The only thing keeping him bound to the material world at that point was his cursed death knight status which Tak removed when she made him mortal again, and proceeded to bring Dargaard Keep down around him. He finally died, and was at peace, so his spirit moved on. When the gods returned, I could see Soth's spirit moving onto the next plane of existence, thereby being beyond Chemosh's grasp.
However, as someone who used to be a huge fan of Warhammer Fantasy, it makes it easier for me to essentially take the "Nagash" character out of that realm and essentially have made him into Chemosh in DragonLance, complete with his followers and army lists shown in the game.