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#1ividOct 28, 2004 5:49:44 | Oh, the more I know about the World of Greyhawk the more I get confused ... 1. Where can I get Chainmail from? has this old setting something to do with the new miniature game from wizards? 2. Are the Kingdoms of Kalamar located on Oerth? 3. Of what Oeridian states and lands do we know? - That means, where there more detailed publications on other states than Aquaria, Chainmail and Kara Thur? 4. Any clue how Mystara is connected to Greyhawk? (if there is a connection...) 5. What kind of information for the Ravenloft realm of Cavitius exists for 3.X? 6. How is Blackmoor treated by LG? 7. Is Blackmoor part of the canon? 8. Are there famous Oeridians in other AD&D settings? (Except Azalin, Kas and Vecna) Thank you, Rafael |
#2MortepierreOct 28, 2004 7:12:16 | 1. Where can I get Chainmail from? has this old setting something to do with the new miniature game from wizards? No idea. It used to be available on SVGAmes but isn't anymore apparently. And no, no direct relationship. 2. Are the Kingdoms of Kalamar located on Oerth? Boy, am I glad you asked this here rather on than on the KoK boards at Kenzer & Co. You wouldn't have survived the storm No, WoG and KoK are in no way related. Different planets, gods and worlds. Though interplanar contact remains a possibility... 3. Of what Oeridian states and lands do we know? - That means, where there more detailed publications on other states than Aquaria, Chainmail and Kara Thur? Nothing canon. And it would surprise me indeed if Kara-Tur had been settled by Oeridians 4. Any clue how Mystara is connected to Greyhawk? (if there is a connection...) It isn't. Simple as that. The confusion arises from the existence of Blackmoor in both worlds. For more about that, read the "I need updates on the Free City of Greyhawk!" thread. 5. What kind of information for the Ravenloft realm of Cavitius exists for 3.X? Nothing canon. Heck, we don't even know if the realm survived Vecna's departure for Sigil! 6. How is Blackmoor treated by LG? Exactly the way it was described in the LG Gazetteer. As a small, mysterious, isolated country north of Iuz's lands. A recent issue of Dungeon had an adventure using it as setting. 7. Is Blackmoor part of the canon? The Blackmoor described in the DA1-4 series is part of the Known World/Mystara canon. The Blackmoor described in the various GH accessories is canon for WoG. No reason it shouldn't be. Although, with the recent publication of the 3.5E version of that setting, copyright could rear its ugly head again. 8. Are there famous Oeridians in other AD&D settings? (Except Azalin, Kas and Vecna) Sure. The darklord of Vechor in RL for starter (and the mechanical golem-ranger who hunts him). Doc of New Empyrea (as described in I12) came to live on Faerun, as stated in FR5 The Savage Frontier accessory. Since he originated on Aquaria and Aquaria is supposedly on Oerth... Duke Rowan Darkwood (former Factol of the Fated in Planescape) is another. Spelljammer had a few but my memory in regard to their names fails me currently. |
#3HalberkillOct 28, 2004 13:57:58 | To clarify a point:1. Where can I get Chainmail from? has this old setting something to do with the new miniature game from wizards? By the magic of the Internet Wayback Machine, you can find info about the RPG aspects of Chainmail from this link: http://web.archive.org/web/20031208023201/http://sophia.smith.edu/~krocha/ravilla/default.htm On the right, under "The Setting". You can also find more setting info in a few Dragon Magazine articles. The original Chainmail game produced by TSR in 1974 had Earth as the setting, the Chainmail game produced by WotC, which was named so in continuance of the original, has western Oerik of Oerth as the setting. The new vinyl D&D miniatures have no connection with the chainmail setting, other than some of the chainmail minis have been converted into plastic for it. You can also get some other Greyhawk related minis in it, but it is meant to be a generic game that combines combatants from all D&D products. Halber |
#4ividOct 29, 2004 6:32:41 | Thank you both for your good answers! I recently stumbled on the original Blackmoor booklet and for the first time became interested in dungeoning that region - but then, I found info on various Mystara sites and got confused. I reviewed the website Halberkill named earlier, but sadly, the most interesting thigns, the maps, were not available anymore. Have you any idea where I can still get them? The Miniatures Boxes I know from D&D bear the sames names as the Chainmail regions: Mordengard, Thalos... But they not available or *official* anymore? That about Cavitius not being supported anymore is sad! One of the best realms for Oerthians around, in my opinion! Again, thank you Mortepierre and Halberkill! |
#5MortepierreOct 29, 2004 13:22:05 | That about Cavitius not being supported anymore is sad! One of the best realms for Oerthians around, in my opinion! Eh, it wasn't very popular among players. A realm where undeads have more rights than any living being just isn't healthy ;) |
#6ividOct 30, 2004 4:06:27 | I am currently thinking of setting my next homegrown campaign in Cavitius, mixing stuff from the Vecna Series and Ghostwalk. And I must confess that, with certain modifications, Cavitius could rock like none other realm: Just make people send their delegates to the undead court, never to return and to be turned undead. Kas the Mad sitting on his throne, surrounded by a parade of zombies... *Yes, I know, I am a bit bizarre, but I like that as a scenario for *frigthened-to-death* players* Besides, as Darkon is my beloved personal playground, I wondered about connecting the realms somehow... However, with the recent Ravenloft renaissance, I hope Cavitius will be rediscovered... (If they update Carnival, why would they do likewise with the Flan home.) In my personal opinion, the best thing about the entire Vecna Series was the chapter about old Flan languages. |
#7MortepierreOct 30, 2004 8:53:38 | Kas the Mad sitting on his throne, surrounded by a parade of zombies... Er .. Kas wasn't living in Cavitius. Well, yes, he was prior to the players freeing him in Vecna Lives! but in RL he had his own realm right next to it. Besides, as Darkon is my beloved personal playground, I wondered about connecting the realms somehow... Well, you could change Necropolis to Cavitius but then Darkon would be in trouble (and Azalin too!). Or, you could put a permanent Gate linking the two. How knows? Maybe an earlier experiment from Vecna to escape RL was attempted at the same moment Azalin went on with the Requiem and it linked the two locations via a Gate. That would be certainly be a good joke to pull on the two undead rulers... However, with the recent Ravenloft renaissance, I hope Cavitius will be rediscovered... (If they update Carnival, why would they do likewise with the Flan home.) Uh? Cavitius never was the "Flan home". Originally, it was one of the four citadels held by the Doomguard till Vecna stole it from them. In my personal opinion, the best thing about the entire Vecna Series was the chapter about old Flan languages. I must have missed that. Can you post here in which module (and on which pages) you found that? |
#8ranger_regOct 31, 2004 0:19:13 | The Blackmoor described in the DA1-4 series is part of the Known World/Mystara canon. The Blackmoor described in the various GH accessories is canon for WoG. No reason it shouldn't be. Although, with the recent publication of the 3.5E version of that setting, copyright could rear its ugly head again. Actually, WotC gave permission to Dave Arneson, Zietgeist Games, and Goodman Games. It was the one hurdle that almost prevented the publication of Dave Arneson's Blackmoor Campaign Setting book (yup, it was his own D&D setting as much as GH was Gygax's before TSR owned them). Got myself a copy, pretty thick book for $35, though it doesn't have the glossy pages you'd normally find in WotC's campaign setting books. |
#9ividOct 31, 2004 9:44:37 | Er .. Kas wasn't living in Cavitius. Well, yes, he was prior to the players freeing him in Vecna Lives! but in RL he had his own realm right next to it. First; I must confess that I currently do not own the Vecna modules - 3(?) years ago I played in an AD&D for a short while; we played the first Vecna adventure, Vecna Reborn, and then splitted up again. As I bought some of the more important RL modules this summer, I got interested in Cavitius again and browsed a bit for it. Sadly, the only bigger info I found was on this page: http://pages.sbcglobal.net/zimriel/ Here you find an article about the Cavitian language, as well. I know that C was not the Flan home ;) - I came to call it that as, as far as I know, it is the closest connection between RL and Oerth - I believe to remember that not only the castle, but also its surrounding lands were DIRECTLY removed from Oerth; so I imagined Cavitius as a darker, but fitting mirror of the old Flan/Lich King society of the old Oerth days. Although in MY Darkon the Necropolis is set far to the east and the palace of Azalin is a haunted house strongly resembling to Prospero's Hall of MotRD, I will think about it - my players haven't visited the Necropolis yet, as their quest is to get to know what happened to Darkon's lord after the Requiem; anyway, good hook-up for a sequel adventure... thanx |