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Rather than talking about republishing books that are already out let's talk about something worthwhile, that needs to be addressed. When will the preview(Chapter 1) for the SoS be up and running ?
Oh look, it's November. But, not to worry, November is 30 days long, which means that there's still time yet for the preview to appear. So please be patient.
Cheers,
Cam
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Yes it is November, the month SoS was slated to be released.
Let's not go back to that discussion. Pretty please?
Let's not go back to that discussion. Pretty please?
I was only stating the obvious, like Cam.
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Even if SoS was going to come out this month, do you really think it would come out on the friggin' first day of the month? Generally, throughout the book publishing industry, monthly book release dates are at the end of the month. Frankly, if the preview was out the week of Thanksgiving, it would be good enough for me.
No of course not, that does not change the fact that the module was slated to be released the month of November; therefore it is logical to start a thread inquiring when(During this month.) the preview will be up and running so that one may set their campaign up to correspond with the preview release.
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crikey dude. Chris Coyle submitted the manuscript WAY LATE. as such, they need to edit and polish the crap out of it. give them a bit more time here.
Crikey dude ?
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I will echo what Cam said above, in that November is a month with 30 days. Give it some time.
I'm sure Jamie will pop in on this thread sometime soon, and he can address the question further.
In the meantime, I suggest we all cool our jets, and not go down roads best left untraveled.
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Yes, hopefully Jamie will be posting the news to this thread. In the meantime, what do the posters, that have already posted here, think the first chapter will be like ?
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SPOILER ALERT
Some idea of the first chapter's contents can be gleaned from the Key of Destiny errata (http://www.dragonlance.com/products/errata/10007.aspx) pages10-11 "THINGS TO COME: In Spectre of Sorrows the characters will discover, as they are leaving the Peak of Malystryx, that the spirit they unwittingly released in the shattered Temple [the Betrayer] wants to destroy the shard of light;and the characters who carry it with them. But that is just the beginning, for the Dark Knights have already learned of the treasure that the characters possess- the legendary Dragonlance of HUma Dragonbane. caught between the Dark Knights on the west and the howling remnants of Sindra's dragonspawn, the characters find an unexpected refuge.
Reaching relative safety in Flotsam, the characters uncover an important piece of information about the key of Quinari, which sends them on a journey that will take them across the north to a place only spoken about in ancient legend [possibly the Dragon's graveyard]"
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Our goal is to have the preview up on Dragonlance.com within a few weeks. It's already been through layout, with maps and art, and is now going through a quick review process before we send it up for approval. Like Key of Destiny, this preview will be the entirety of Chapter One. It's over 32 pages long, and should help keep people busy until the adventure's full release. Keep your fingers crossed--it should be up before we Americans sit down for our annual turkey dinner.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Hmmmm, I downloaded the errata but hadn't read it yet. My players went ahead and killed every single dragonspawn left in the Peak! Then I sent them back in time to a month before the Tower of Losarcum was levelled to retrieve as much as they can (the White Robes to save magical knowledge, the Cleric and Monk to go to the Tower of Istar to save some of their own Godly artifacts). I'm going to encourage the Wizard to take the Dragonorb too. That's what I'm doing with my campaign while I wait for the first chapter of SoS to be released. Now I'm concerned that part of the major conflict presented may be basically useless to me! Well, I'll work around it. hehe. I hope everyone else is having fun with their games!
--Tamora Amberleaf
My players went ahead and killed every single dragonspawn left in the Peak! .... Now I'm concerned that part of the major conflict presented may be basically useless to me! Well, I'll work around it. hehe. I hope everyone else is having fun with their games!
--Tamora Amberleaf
Whose to say that all of the operatives of Sindra were located in the Peak? To add a little to my own campaign, I had a minor slave mining operation in the mountains surrounding the desolation, ruled over by a dragonspawn that reported to Sindra. The idea was they would take slaves, and have them mine for ore for weapon/armor production, as well as look for goodies that might have been secreted away or scattered after the fall of Losarcum. After the slaves were weakened from the work, or more slaves came in to take their place, slaves were transferred to the Peak.
Maybe she (Sindra) had other operatives outside of the Peak expanding her interests/influence, so I wouldn't say dragonspawn are out of the question for you yet. They might even be particularly interested to fight your party for revenge, considering they wiped out everyone in the Peak. Just a thought.
Maybe she (Sindra) had other operatives outside of the Peak expanding her interests/influence, so I wouldn't say dragonspawn are out of the question for you yet. They might even be particularly interested to fight your party for revenge, considering they wiped out everyone in the Peak. Just a thought.
That's a great idea if I find I need another important dragonspawn encounter in the adventure! Thanks!
--Tamora Amberleaf
Keep your fingers crossed--it should be up before we Americans sit down for our annual turkey dinner.
What's the word on the SoS chapter 1 preview ?
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What's the word on the SoS chapter 1 preview ?
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The preview is out for approval and we hope to have it up soon! I promise I won't sit on it; the moment I have a green light I'll have it up on DL.com so fast your held will spin!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
The preview is out for approval and we hope to have it up soon! I promise I won't sit on it; the moment I have a green light I'll have it up on DL.com so fast your held will spin!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
No! Not my held!
:D
Seriously, sounds awesome! I'm impatient to get SpS, and I haven't even gotten a chance to run my PCs through The Sylvan Key yet!
I don't know why you are writing about the SpS when this topic is about SoS the Dragonlance Mod following the Key of Destiny... :D What goes around comes around haha
And around and around....
This would be great if it came sooner than later.
Sooner is better than later. However, we have to abide by the terms of our license--which includes an approval process. Hopefully it won't be more than a few more days!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
1- they were all but ready to write off Dragonlance until SP brought it back for us to enjoy again
2- now that Dragonlance is back, their involvement drags down the timetables for products for the line
3- they own the product, but don't seem to pay it any mind. All products they release don't even so much as mention Dragonlance, only FR and/or Greyhawk (ie the generic setting now) and/or Eberron. Sorta like treating Dragonlance as the red headed stepchild of their gaming worlds they own. (though I guess the same could be said for Ravenloft, and to say nothing of Al-Qadim, Birthright, Planescape, etc)
4- they closed down the WotC retail stores, which, while the merchandise they sold there was more expensive than the same merchandise most other stores sold, at least carried the products I wanted to buy, and got them in relatively on time. Plus, since it was a chain, I could find one locally, and not have to hunt around for a gaming store.
1- they were all but ready to write off Dragonlance until SP brought it back for us to enjoy again
Jim Butler (then of WotC, prior to Bastion Press) announced in January 2001 that WotC would not be pursuing a Dragonlance RPG line any longer. It was at that time that the Dragonlance Nexus was selected as the official fan site. We worked on rules for Dragonlance for over a year when Sovereign Press got the license. We've been working with them ever since.
Just to give you more of an idea on the timetable.
2- now that Dragonlance is back, their involvement drags down the timetables for products for the line
That could just be their approval process in general for any licensed product.
3- they own the product, but don't seem to pay it any mind. All products they release don't even so much as mention Dragonlance, only FR and/or Greyhawk (ie the generic setting now) and/or Eberron. Sorta like treating Dragonlance as the red headed stepchild of their gaming worlds they own. (though I guess the same could be said for Ravenloft, and to say nothing of Al-Qadim, Birthright, Planescape, etc)
Wizards of the Coast is a big corporation, and as such, think in big corporation terms. It's all about selling product and making money. This isn't to say that they don't like their products, just that they have money concerns to go along with them.
Dragonlance needs to be looked at through a couple of different eyes where WotC is concerned. In terms of the novel line, Dragonlance has been very successful, and so WotC has paid a lot of attention to its novels.
On the flipside is the gaming side. Honestly, I never thought that WotC quite knew how to handle DL as a gaming property. It's a different beast than the Realms or Greyhawk. Don't get me wrong, there were some good gaming products through the years, but at the same time, there were some bad ones too, like Wild Elves.
Sovereign Press has done an amazing job with Dragonlance gaming. The work they've done is work that should have been done years ago. I think DL fans would much rather have sourcebooks such as Towers of High Sorcery over books such as Otherlands.
Whatever the case, I think WotC does care about Dragonlance, but they look at the property through the eyes of a big business.
Don't get me wrong, there were some good gaming products through the years, but at the same time, there were some bad ones too, like Wild Elves.
What is wrong with Wild Elves?
What is wrong with Wild Elves?
Jiathuli (a Lolth-"clone") and spelljamming drow.
Jiathuli (a Lolth-"clone") and spelljamming drow.
I honestly had no issue with Wild Elves. With some modification (i.e. nix the spelljamming, and make the drow cursed elves) it could be very playable. It was one of the more memorable adventures in my old DL campaign.
Jiathuli (a Lolth-"clone") and spelljamming drow.
I thought these were the best things about it. But then, I suppose it is a matter of taste.
Has anyone any idea about the current status of the Specter of Sorrows final product?
Jamie mentioned somewhere on a different thread last week that the 2005 Product Schedule would be released in the near future (next couple of weeks or so, maybe?). We will probably get a better clue into SoS at that time.
Speaking of which...I noticed WotC released their Q2 '05 and Q3 '05 products for D&D already but not the novel schedule yet. I wonder when we're gonna get to see that. Soon I hope.
Darn...I hoped it would be out for my brithday(which is today). I twould be the best present ever, considering my mom, brother, aunt, and best friends all forgot my birthday. I don't even get a cake, just a pumpkin pie. And, instead o fthe awesome homemade pizza my grandma makes, I'm getting chicken noodles for supper. This just isn't my day.
Well happy birthday, man!
I know it isn't a cake, but have a cookie!
Jim Butler (then of WotC, prior to Bastion Press) announced in January 2001 that WotC would not be pursuing a Dragonlance RPG line any longer. It was at that time that the Dragonlance Nexus was selected as the official fan site. We worked on rules for Dragonlance for over a year when Sovereign Press got the license. We've been working with them ever since.
Just to give you more of an idea on the timetable.
My hat's off to all those who sought to keep Dragonlance alive, that includes the Nexus. Point is, WotC didn't take any steps towards doing that. They actually almost killed the world with that SAGA nightmare. I truly think WotC has an unhealthy obsession with making/endorsing so many collectible card games.
Wizards of the Coast is a big corporation, and as such, think in big corporation terms. It's all about selling product and making money. This isn't to say that they don't like their products, just that they have money concerns to go along with them.
But my concern is, stuffing their figurative thumbs up their collective butts, while locking away gaming worlds in dusty storage to be forgotten doesn't make them any money either. How is making the conscious decision to NOT use a gaming world they own making them any money? If not for the Nexus and SP, Dragonlance would still be left rotting in some musty backroom of WotC, and relegated to the memories of us the fans, and nothing more. Why did they spend money to buy all this stuff from TSR, only to never use it? Buying something you don't ever intend to use seems rather silly to me. And then they go and create a new world called Eberron? Why do that, when you've got established, viable worlds already ready to use? Eberron sounds like more of a gamble to me, and I have no intention of picking up any of those books (and I have looked at them, and am not interested in the slightest)
Dragonlance needs to be looked at through a couple of different eyes where WotC is concerned. In terms of the novel line, Dragonlance has been very successful, and so WotC has paid a lot of attention to its novels.
On the flipside is the gaming side. Honestly, I never thought that WotC quite knew how to handle DL as a gaming property.
Amen to that. I think they are a big bunch of sensationalist obsessed morons, but thats my opinion.
It's a different beast than the Realms or Greyhawk.
Of which Greyhawk was neutered and watered down into a generic world. And why on earth FR has become such an obsession and not the other realms is beyond me. Personally, FR does little or nothing for me at all.
Sovereign Press has done an amazing job with Dragonlance gaming. The work they've done is work that should have been done years ago. I think DL fans would much rather have sourcebooks such as Towers of High Sorcery over books such as Otherlands.
While I'm not sure what Otherlands was, I agree with you Trampas. SP has done a splendid job with keeping our favorite little corner of fantasy we call Dragonlance alive for gaming purposes, and to that, I salute them.
Whatever the case, I think WotC does care about Dragonlance, but they look at the property through the eyes of a big business.
They cared so much about it, that they admitted they weren't going to do anything with it, aside from the novels. Nah, big business excuse aside, I still think they are a bunch of morons. :P
-ps I hope you realize, I'm not attacking you Trampas, just sharing my distaste of WotC.
Darn...I hoped it would be out for my brithday(which is today). I twould be the best present ever, considering my mom, brother, aunt, and best friends all forgot my birthday. I don't even get a cake, just a pumpkin pie. And, instead o fthe awesome homemade pizza my grandma makes, I'm getting chicken noodles for supper. This just isn't my day.
Well, hope things will look up for you. Either way, happy b-day dood! :D
But my concern is, stuffing their figurative thumbs up their collective butts, while locking away gaming worlds in dusty storage to be forgotten doesn't make them any money either. How is making the conscious decision to NOT use a gaming world they own making them any money?
Look at the flipside of this argument. Let's take a setting like Spelljammer. It's a pretty niche setting. Not too many people follow it anymore.
So why use something that doesn't make them a profit?
Granted, I think a few one-shot books would make money, but that's just me.
Why did they spend money to buy all this stuff from TSR, only to never use it? Buying something you don't ever intend to use seems rather silly to me.
Probably a package deal. Buy D&D, get all these other things with it.
And then they go and create a new world called Eberron? Why do that, when you've got established, viable worlds already ready to use?
WotC has learned that the niche settings don't sell as well as the more overreaching all-inclusive settings. So they opted to create a new one.
The setting has some neat ideas and I'm sure I'd love to game in Eberron, but it hasn't really "wowed" me over like Dragonlance has.
And why on earth FR has become such an obsession and not the other realms is beyond me. Personally, FR does little or nothing for me at all.
Some people just prefer those generic settings, I guess.
While I'm not sure what Otherlands was...
Otherlands was a product that introduced some new territories to Krynn. While not wholly a bad idea, I feel it is better to cover your foundation areas first, then move on to expansion products like that.
-ps I hope you realize, I'm not attacking you Trampas, just sharing my distaste of WotC.
Totally understood, and no offense taken.
I see where you're coming from, really. WotC has a lot of properties they could do a lot with, yet choose not to. They do some pretty good crunch books, but I don't think they are quite as good with settings beyond some of the generic settings.
Where Dragonlance was concerned, I think they needed a different approach. I'm just glad we're seeing it now with Sov. Press.
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Why am I not surprised ?
Criminy, LOI. Is this sort of comment really helpful? Jamie's said it's at WOTC for review. There's nothing else they can do.
One more day left in November, and no sign of a web preview yet. Why am I not surprised ?
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What you don't realize is that this is just one big conspiracy theory. This whole WotC approval thing is just a cover-up for the real problem - pink fuzzy aliens called Nooblenorfs.
I’m not really at liberty to go into detail on the Nooblenorf situation, save that all disbelievers will be killed and eaten.
But not before they are forced to parade around wearing pink bunny P.J.s and fuzzy bunny slippers.
:D
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If the Nooblenerfs can get DL products out on time(Unlike the current staff.), I have nothing against them working at SP. Releasing products late is starting to become SP's trademark.
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Complaining about their schedule is becoming yours.
If the Nooblenerfs can get DL products out on time(Unlike the current staff.), I have nothing against them working at SP. Releasing products late is starting to become SP's trademark.
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I'm starting to believe more and more that WotC plays a major role in the delay of SP's products. Sure, SP has a limited staff, but they still have to go through WotC, and their bumbling staff in order to release anything. Until I have proof to the contrary, I'm going to put a little more blame on WotC's shoulders as far as lateness is concerned. Besides, the more I think about it, the more I realize that late products may not be solely because of SP. Ah well, that's my story and I'm stickin to it. :P
One caveat regarding WotC though, I do like these boards.
Complaining about their schedule is becoming yours.
Their schedule ? LoL, That is a stretch, why even have a schedule if you are always going to be late ?
One stems from the other, if they make up a schedule, and then actually stick to it, they shall receive no complaints about them being late.
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One stems from the other, if they make up a schedule, and then actually stick to it, they shall receive no complaints about them being late.
Dude. I hear the sky is falling, too. You should look into that.
Cheers,
Cam
Dude. I hear the sky is falling, too. You should look into that.
Cheers,
Cam
I would respond with a smart remark, but the joke was so corny there is no need to do such a thing.
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