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#1 zombiegleemax Nov 13, 2004 12:13:29	So I was thinking of Dregoth's dray defilers and the distinct lack of vegetation for them to suck dry in New Giustenal. Of course there's always the fix that they're all actually preservers . . . but how about making them necromancers? Or necromants, rather? Considering Dregoth himself is one big walking dead boy and all. Maybe he himself is a necromant? On a related note, how the shadow mage has no prior spellcasting ability requirement and one could become a shadow mage from say the templar or barbarian class, will the necromant be the same, holding to the spirit of the original Defilers and Preservers kit?
#2 Sysane Nov 13, 2004 12:38:51	There's more vegetation in New Giustenal than you would think. There are the scrubby fields where the dray raise the cattle like beasts Fanners, the fungi fields, and the Upside-Down Forest. It could also be speculated that the Blackjaw river would have some sort of plant life which the fish that dwell there sustain themselves on. Plus, I wouldn't think that dray defilers engage in wanton defiling in the city of the Dread King unless absolutely necessary. They would more than likely limit themselves to minor spells while in the confines of the city.
#3 zombiegleemax Nov 13, 2004 16:01:23	It could also be speculated that the Blackjaw river would have some sort of plant life which the fish that dwell there sustain themselves on. and where there is river, there is most likely moss.... which which can grow on rocks and sand and other infertile areas..
#4 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 13, 2004 16:09:53	And Dregoth probably has Trees of Life just like all the other SKs.
#5 jaanos Nov 13, 2004 19:44:26	I still think click's idea has some merit. Maybe Necromancers are found in (relatively) larger numbers - maybe one in 8? Jaanos
#6 Pennarin Nov 14, 2004 4:25:39	Don't forget there's a strong flavor explanation behind being able to use Gray energy, and that that explanation ultimately comes back to Gretch. Look, if you accept that Rajaat is the inventor of magic, that Oronis is the inventor of avangionhood, then you gotta accept that Gretch is the inventor of the powering process for necromants. The reason behind it is this extremely (epic) powerful wizard got stuck, powerless, in the Dead Lands when it got transformed and desperately searched for an alternate way of powering its spells. It managed to do it cause its the next best thing to a Champion, thus quite powerful and able. Basically no one else can be said to have managed to pull it off in history (maybe a SK but they all seem to still use plain defilers for servants and not necromants). So the knowledge of Gray use physically comes from the Dead Lands, you need to be taught by someone whose from there or who went there or have gone there yourself. So if your character or NPC from the Seven Cities uses the Gray then there's gotta be a rationale behind it, even if its Dregoth's army*. * Mm, it has been asked sometimes what would happen to an advanced being using alternative energy gathering processes. Well what if, say a dragon, cannot gain XP in the dragon class unless he uses standard defiling? That the whole dragon magic thing about the boosting of spells with powers and vice versa is only possible when defiling for a dragon, and preserving for an avangion?
#7 zombiegleemax Nov 14, 2004 10:15:17	And the second part of my question?
#8 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 14, 2004 13:16:33	On a related note, how the shadow mage has no prior spellcasting ability requirement and one could become a shadow mage from say the templar or barbarian class, will the necromant be the same, holding to the spirit of the original Defilers and Preservers kit? No. The only reason the Shadow Wizard has no spellcasting requirement is due to the fact that Andropinis' templars become shadow mages. Though, I am considering a Shadow Devotee class that mimics the spell progression of the Ur Priest, in which case the Shadow Wizard will get a spellcasting requirement.