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1st edition devils to Planescape names

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#1
zombiegleemax
Nov 13, 2004 12:44:56 Hello everyone,
I no longer have access to my old 1st edition books, but am trying to convert some 1st edition modules to 2nd edition and I'm having some trouble with the Planescape names of some fiends. The demons/Tannari aren't the problem, but I can't remmeber some of the details of the devils.

I know that Pit Fiend stayed the same, as did Eryines, nupperibo, & abishi. I know that Ice devils are now Gelugon and Styx Devils are now Amnizu. But what about the rest? For that matter, is there a lisitng anywhere of the name changes of the fiends from the 1st edition (Deamon, Demon, demodand, etc) to the Planar names?

Barbed Devils
Bearded Devils
Horned Devils

Planescape Names:
Cornugons
Hamatula
barbazu,
osyluth
Spinagon = Spined?

Thank you in advance for any assistance in this matter,
Toron
#2
Shemeska_the_Marauder
Nov 13, 2004 12:49:34 All of the 3.5e books more or less reverted back to the 1e Baatezu names. They still list both names in the stat block but most times they use the 1e name in favor in all other places. No, I don't like it any more than anyone else, but that'd solve your questions right there.

However:

Barbed Devils = Hamatula
Bearded Devils = Barbazu
Horned Devils = Cornugon
Bone Devil = Osyluth
Spined Devil? = Spinagon
#3
zombiegleemax
Nov 13, 2004 13:26:25 My thanks!
I don't own anything in the any of 3E, except the players handbook, so I'll have to look around for the 3E/3.5 list.
thank you again!
Toron
#4
sildatorak
Nov 13, 2004 15:01:12 You can download the system reference document that has all of the meat of the PHB, MM, and DMG for free. Just use the Wizards.com main page search (rather than the forum search), and look for something like "3.5 SRD" and you'll find it.
#5
zombiegleemax
Nov 16, 2004 8:11:19 Most of the so-called "Planescape Names" (which are actually 2e names, and are only related to Planescape in that PS was a 2e setting) are based of Latin. (Hamatula, Bezekira, are examples of words that just seems made up.)

So, when you speak a Latin language, it's very painful to see in the 3.5 MM the equivalent of

Bearded Devil (Beardazu)
Horned Devil (Hornugon)
Bone Devil (Bonyluth)
Frozen Devil (Frozugon)

I mean, it's totally ridiculous. It's a bit like giving a NPC a cleverly-disguised joke name that could be accepted because the reference isn't too intrusive, then blowing it up just beside. Like "Sivle Artanis, elven bard (play him like a cross between Elvis and Sinatra)." The name is ruined. Both names are ruined.
#6
weenie
Nov 16, 2004 11:27:01
Most of the so-called "Planescape Names" (which are actually 2e names, and are only related to Planescape in that PS was a 2e setting) are based of Latin.

I mean, it's totally ridiculous.

Yeah, I'll bet sales had dropped significantly in ancient Rome after 2E came out...

If "barbazu" equals "Sivle Artanis" in your example, naming them "bearded devils" just restores the word order, and is no less ridiculous.
#7
factol_rhys_dup
Nov 23, 2004 16:00:18 The awesome Kytons are now called "Chain Devils," for reasons that are beyond me.

I won't get into the epic-level baatezu that they put in later.

And don't forget glucagons, the blood sugar devils. it's a biochem joke!
#8
zombiegleemax
Nov 23, 2004 16:09:43 ...

Would Ciphers even take biochemistry? Seems like alot of thinkings... I'd think that a good Cipher would be a Phys Ed major or some such thing.

Can you imagine Cipher Dodgeball?
#9
eldersphinx
Nov 23, 2004 16:20:09
Can you imagine Cipher Dodgeball?

You peg your teammates. "Don't think, just act." :D

... Hey, should we start a thread about [Insert Faction Here] Dodgeball?
#10
zombiegleemax
Nov 23, 2004 16:25:35 Mercykiller dodgeball is an execution tactic....
#11
Shemeska_the_Marauder
Nov 23, 2004 17:47:48
And don't forget glucagons, the blood sugar devils. it's a biochem joke!

I blame you for any damage to my keyboard when I spit soda on it just now...
#12
bob_the_efreet
Nov 23, 2004 17:55:31
And don't forget glucagons, the blood sugar devils. it's a biochem joke!

Those are the ones with hemogoblin servants, aren't they? (Vampires, you see.)
#13
zombiegleemax
Nov 23, 2004 18:04:26 Damn your pants, Bob, damn them.

: Primus bans all bad biology/chemistry/DnD puns:
#14
Prof._Pacali
Nov 23, 2004 21:28:24 While we're on the subject of first edition names for monsters, can someone tell me which demons are the type II and III?

I know what most of the demons were:

Type I = Vrock

Type IV = Nalfeshnee

Type V = Marilith

Type VI = Balor

I know that they are either the Hezrou or Glabrezu, but I can't remember which is Type II and which is Type III!
#15
ripvanwormer
Nov 23, 2004 23:02:10
While we're on the subject of first edition names for monsters, can someone tell me which demons are the type II and III?

Hezrou were Type II. Glabrezu were Type III.
#16
Prof._Pacali
Nov 27, 2004 19:23:28
Hezrou were Type II. Glabrezu were Type III.

Thanks.
#17
zombiegleemax
Nov 28, 2004 2:40:58
Yeah, I'll bet sales had dropped significantly in ancient Rome after 2E came out...

Dude, this will come in as a shock, but there are a lot of language derived from Latin. Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French... And even English through the French influence after William's conquest.

(Just in the above paragraph, language, derived, influence, and conquest are all Latin-derived words. And in this one, you can add just and paragraph. And add.)

And "diable barbu (barbazu)" is ridiculous.
#18
zombiegleemax
Nov 28, 2004 3:27:08 Calling 'em bearded devils and whatnot just doesn't sit right with me. I prefer the planescape names. I can hardly imagine a crteature going up to someone saying 'Hi, I'm a bearded devil...'.

Then again, they'd likely wander up to them and do nasty things, instead of introduce themselves...

And as for names that are plays on words - well, nothing in those names would upset my players. There's no hidden 'jokes' in those names to break up the session (unlike the wonderful paladin Sir Duction of the Innocent, whom I had the unfortunate job of meeting, once...)
#19
weenie
Nov 28, 2004 4:17:59
Dude, this will come in as a shock, but there are a lot of language derived from Latin.

You don't say? My point was this.

Although
"diable barbu (barbazu)" is ridiculous.

, "bearded" devil is just as much, if not more.
#20
ripvanwormer
Nov 28, 2004 10:56:18
(Just in the above paragraph, language, derived, influence, and conquest are all Latin-derived words. And in this one, you can add just and paragraph. And add.)

Right. That's why words like "barbazu" and "cornugon" sound right to native English speakers; we're used to words with Latin-derived roots being mixed and bastardized, especially in the naming of creatures (witness dinosaurs like Utahraptor and Saltasaurus). This sounds classy to us.

If you question this, you're questioning the whole foundation our mongrel tongue was based on. It's a far bigger matter than a few 2e AD&D fiend names.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Nov 13, 2004 12:44:56	Hello everyone, I no longer have access to my old 1st edition books, but am trying to convert some 1st edition modules to 2nd edition and I'm having some trouble with the Planescape names of some fiends. The demons/Tannari aren't the problem, but I can't remmeber some of the details of the devils. I know that Pit Fiend stayed the same, as did Eryines, nupperibo, & abishi. I know that Ice devils are now Gelugon and Styx Devils are now Amnizu. But what about the rest? For that matter, is there a lisitng anywhere of the name changes of the fiends from the 1st edition (Deamon, Demon, demodand, etc) to the Planar names? Barbed Devils Bearded Devils Horned Devils Planescape Names: Cornugons Hamatula barbazu, osyluth Spinagon = Spined? Thank you in advance for any assistance in this matter, Toron
#2 Shemeska_the_Marauder Nov 13, 2004 12:49:34	All of the 3.5e books more or less reverted back to the 1e Baatezu names. They still list both names in the stat block but most times they use the 1e name in favor in all other places. No, I don't like it any more than anyone else, but that'd solve your questions right there. However: Barbed Devils = Hamatula Bearded Devils = Barbazu Horned Devils = Cornugon Bone Devil = Osyluth Spined Devil? = Spinagon
#3 zombiegleemax Nov 13, 2004 13:26:25	My thanks! I don't own anything in the any of 3E, except the players handbook, so I'll have to look around for the 3E/3.5 list. thank you again! Toron
#4 sildatorak Nov 13, 2004 15:01:12	You can download the system reference document that has all of the meat of the PHB, MM, and DMG for free. Just use the Wizards.com main page search (rather than the forum search), and look for something like "3.5 SRD" and you'll find it.
#5 zombiegleemax Nov 16, 2004 8:11:19	Most of the so-called "Planescape Names" (which are actually 2e names, and are only related to Planescape in that PS was a 2e setting) are based of Latin. (Hamatula, Bezekira, are examples of words that just seems made up.) So, when you speak a Latin language, it's very painful to see in the 3.5 MM the equivalent of Bearded Devil (Beardazu) Horned Devil (Hornugon) Bone Devil (Bonyluth) Frozen Devil (Frozugon) I mean, it's totally ridiculous. It's a bit like giving a NPC a cleverly-disguised joke name that could be accepted because the reference isn't too intrusive, then blowing it up just beside. Like "Sivle Artanis, elven bard (play him like a cross between Elvis and Sinatra)." The name is ruined. Both names are ruined.
#6 weenie Nov 16, 2004 11:27:01	Most of the so-called "Planescape Names" (which are actually 2e names, and are only related to Planescape in that PS was a 2e setting) are based of Latin. I mean, it's totally ridiculous. Yeah, I'll bet sales had dropped significantly in ancient Rome after 2E came out... If "barbazu" equals "Sivle Artanis" in your example, naming them "bearded devils" just restores the word order, and is no less ridiculous.
#7 factol_rhys_dup Nov 23, 2004 16:00:18	The awesome Kytons are now called "Chain Devils," for reasons that are beyond me. I won't get into the epic-level baatezu that they put in later. And don't forget glucagons, the blood sugar devils. it's a biochem joke!
#8 zombiegleemax Nov 23, 2004 16:09:43	... Would Ciphers even take biochemistry? Seems like alot of thinkings... I'd think that a good Cipher would be a Phys Ed major or some such thing. Can you imagine Cipher Dodgeball?
#9 eldersphinx Nov 23, 2004 16:20:09	Can you imagine Cipher Dodgeball? You peg your teammates. "Don't think, just act." :D ... Hey, should we start a thread about [Insert Faction Here] Dodgeball?
#10 zombiegleemax Nov 23, 2004 16:25:35	Mercykiller dodgeball is an execution tactic....
#11 Shemeska_the_Marauder Nov 23, 2004 17:47:48	And don't forget glucagons, the blood sugar devils. it's a biochem joke! I blame you for any damage to my keyboard when I spit soda on it just now...
#12 bob_the_efreet Nov 23, 2004 17:55:31	And don't forget glucagons, the blood sugar devils. it's a biochem joke! Those are the ones with hemogoblin servants, aren't they? (Vampires, you see.)
#13 zombiegleemax Nov 23, 2004 18:04:26	Damn your pants, Bob, damn them. : Primus bans all bad biology/chemistry/DnD puns:
#14 Prof._Pacali Nov 23, 2004 21:28:24	While we're on the subject of first edition names for monsters, can someone tell me which demons are the type II and III? I know what most of the demons were: Type I = Vrock Type IV = Nalfeshnee Type V = Marilith Type VI = Balor I know that they are either the Hezrou or Glabrezu, but I can't remember which is Type II and which is Type III!
#15 ripvanwormer Nov 23, 2004 23:02:10	While we're on the subject of first edition names for monsters, can someone tell me which demons are the type II and III? Hezrou were Type II. Glabrezu were Type III.
#16 Prof._Pacali Nov 27, 2004 19:23:28	Hezrou were Type II. Glabrezu were Type III. Thanks.
#17 zombiegleemax Nov 28, 2004 2:40:58	Yeah, I'll bet sales had dropped significantly in ancient Rome after 2E came out... Dude, this will come in as a shock, but there are a lot of language derived from Latin. Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French... And even English through the French influence after William's conquest. (Just in the above paragraph, language, derived, influence, and conquest are all Latin-derived words. And in this one, you can add just and paragraph. And add.) And "diable barbu (barbazu)" is ridiculous.
#18 zombiegleemax Nov 28, 2004 3:27:08	Calling 'em bearded devils and whatnot just doesn't sit right with me. I prefer the planescape names. I can hardly imagine a crteature going up to someone saying 'Hi, I'm a bearded devil...'. Then again, they'd likely wander up to them and do nasty things, instead of introduce themselves... And as for names that are plays on words - well, nothing in those names would upset my players. There's no hidden 'jokes' in those names to break up the session (unlike the wonderful paladin Sir Duction of the Innocent, whom I had the unfortunate job of meeting, once...)
#19 weenie Nov 28, 2004 4:17:59	Dude, this will come in as a shock, but there are a lot of language derived from Latin. You don't say? My point was this. Although "diable barbu (barbazu)" is ridiculous. , "bearded" devil is just as much, if not more.
#20 ripvanwormer Nov 28, 2004 10:56:18	(Just in the above paragraph, language, derived, influence, and conquest are all Latin-derived words. And in this one, you can add just and paragraph. And add.) Right. That's why words like "barbazu" and "cornugon" sound right to native English speakers; we're used to words with Latin-derived roots being mixed and bastardized, especially in the naming of creatures (witness dinosaurs like Utahraptor and Saltasaurus). This sounds classy to us. If you question this, you're questioning the whole foundation our mongrel tongue was based on. It's a far bigger matter than a few 2e AD&D fiend names.