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#1
zombiegleemax
Nov 20, 2004 15:06:04 Deleted
#2
zombiegleemax
Nov 21, 2004 11:39:38 I will knock Canonfire but they have some appreciation for creative material.

Here we have someone making a try at that here and how many responses to his efforts do we see?

Come on you WotC message board posters! Cat got your tongue? Or do you talk the talk but cannot walk the walk?

Give this poster some feedback. Or should he go and post it at Canonfire because the Wotc message boards are only interested in counting the pimples on Mordenkainen's butt? All opinion, no creativity or imagination on the Wotc message boards?

Nice new clothes Mr. Emperor! Looking good!

Good effort dragonsbane, let's see if you just outed a bunch of folks as poseurs.

NS
#3
Mortepierre
Nov 21, 2004 12:11:07
Here we have someone making a try at that here and how many responses to his efforts do we see?

Come on you WotC message board posters! Cat got your tongue? Or do you talk the talk but cannot walk the walk?

Give this poster some feedback. Or should he go and post it at Canonfire because the Wotc message boards are only interested in counting the pimples on Mordenkainen's butt? All opinion, no creativity or imagination on the Wotc message boards?

Instead of mocking the other posters NS, you might wish to consider two facts:
1) The man's post isn't even a day old. Give people some time.

2) The content of his post was longer than what is usually offered for our perusal, so maybe some of us are just taking their time assessing it before offering comments more detailed than a simple "well done lad! keep up the good work"
#4
Argon
Nov 25, 2004 2:41:46 Nice bit of work you took some of what was already written and elaborated on it a little bit further. I think your write up of these subraces are better suited to those individuals new to the greyhawk setting. What is that you say a developed set of human sub-races. Wow your right great idea. Well just read this post and your halfway there.
#5
samwise
Nov 25, 2004 22:48:42 Gee Screedo, how come you didn't say something about the post?
You could have you know. Just read it and commented on it. But instead you felt the need to attack Canonfire! yet again, as well as sneer at all the people here.
I guess that's easier for you than doing something that is actually creative or supportive yourself.
#6
zombiegleemax
Nov 26, 2004 11:48:35 Of all the intelligent die hard Greyhawkers I can't get one intelligent opinion. I thought Greyhawkers were a step above the "kids" on the rest of these boards. You can't tell me no one out there has more info than what I posted. No one has intelligent opinions or suggestions? Instead you would rather "snip" at each other. I, for the first time, am ashamed to say you are my peers.
#7
crag
Nov 26, 2004 17:57:14 Very nice article dragonsbane1970.

Very comprehensive while avoiding the racial debate that so many of these articles fall prey too.

I look forward to your take on the cultures of the demi-humans, if you decide to take on the challenge.

I just hope you avoid the "fantasy stereo-types" as neatly as you did the racial ones.
#8
mortellan
Nov 27, 2004 0:55:13 sorry dragonsbane, screed simultaneously gave attention to your thread and hijacked it with his ongoing issues.

being a writer of things baklunish i liked your brief take on females in baklunish society. it's an intriguing angle to focus on for a fantasy setting, since even in many modern day cultures, for comparison females are regarded as less than equal. its food for thought.
#9
zombiegleemax
Nov 28, 2004 20:12:29 I agree with Mortellan about the mixed blessing that NightScreed's response may have provoked among other posters. Personally I noted the length of dragonsbane1970's post and its lack of typographical organizing devices, e.g., careful use of paragraphs, bold or italics, and then went on to read other threads.

A little later I started reading this thread's orginal post but then got pulled away. The next day or so I finished reading the post but didn't have much to say that I believed was constructive. While I found a few details to which I object, e.g., the parenthetical analogies to Earthly social groups or "races," that didn't seem worthwhile to post since I've seen or joined those kind of conversations perenially for the past five years (literally).

Also because the original post seemed mostly like a draft player aid for dragonsbane1970's campaigning, making my critique that Earth is not Oerth doesn't seem on point.

After reading NightScreed's response, I felt momentarily provoked to respond but then moved my knee back into its prior position and continued with my day. While I feel some sympathy after seeing dragonsbane1970's frustration at not receiving "intelligent opinion[,]" ultimately the original post of this thread seems too much like a retread of previously published material.

Likely this (over-long) response is not the sort of thing that anyone cares to read, but my basic response to the original post of this thread was, "Hmm. A players' aid. It's not very detailed, but it may communicate a basic understanding of the great races of humanity that Gygax imagined to populate the Flanaess."
#10
omote
Nov 29, 2004 10:29:15 As said above, it is definately a great primer for people who are not yet introduced into the Greyhawk setting. Good work, and I like the little additions that you have added for a bit more flavor. A really great start to a larger document (if that is where you are going). If you are looking for a basic intro into each of the races, you have succeeded. However, I think there are many more "layers" and depth to each individual race then you have presented. For example, IMO the Bakunish of the Chakji are nothing like the Baklunish of the far west, similar in physical appearence yes, but almost completely different because of culture and area.

Good job, nonetheless.

.........................Omote
FPQ
#11
Yeoman
Nov 29, 2004 15:19:43 I have to agree with Tizoc's observations. To make a greater impact I would like more depth and observation regarding some of the customs and practices which define each of the groups. This would introduce something new to this board and prompt a greater response. I feel that you have touched on this with the Rhenee and Bakluni, but could go further.

Some examples might be:
- What do the Suloise find insulting? Why?
- How would the Flan expect to treat a guest?
- What festivals would the Oeridians celebrate which are unique?
etc.

Naturally, with so many areas of the Flanness being mixed it might be difficult to be too specific, but would allow for some general observations that underpin cultures and perhaps breath greater life into the setting.

Hope this helps.
#12
zombiegleemax
Nov 30, 2004 22:45:20 Thanks for all the suggestions and feedback.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Nov 20, 2004 15:06:04	Deleted
#2 zombiegleemax Nov 21, 2004 11:39:38	I will knock Canonfire but they have some appreciation for creative material. Here we have someone making a try at that here and how many responses to his efforts do we see? Come on you WotC message board posters! Cat got your tongue? Or do you talk the talk but cannot walk the walk? Give this poster some feedback. Or should he go and post it at Canonfire because the Wotc message boards are only interested in counting the pimples on Mordenkainen's butt? All opinion, no creativity or imagination on the Wotc message boards? Nice new clothes Mr. Emperor! Looking good! Good effort dragonsbane, let's see if you just outed a bunch of folks as poseurs. NS
#3 Mortepierre Nov 21, 2004 12:11:07	Here we have someone making a try at that here and how many responses to his efforts do we see? Come on you WotC message board posters! Cat got your tongue? Or do you talk the talk but cannot walk the walk? Give this poster some feedback. Or should he go and post it at Canonfire because the Wotc message boards are only interested in counting the pimples on Mordenkainen's butt? All opinion, no creativity or imagination on the Wotc message boards? Instead of mocking the other posters NS, you might wish to consider two facts: 1) The man's post isn't even a day old. Give people some time. 2) The content of his post was longer than what is usually offered for our perusal, so maybe some of us are just taking their time assessing it before offering comments more detailed than a simple "well done lad! keep up the good work"
#4 Argon Nov 25, 2004 2:41:46	Nice bit of work you took some of what was already written and elaborated on it a little bit further. I think your write up of these subraces are better suited to those individuals new to the greyhawk setting. What is that you say a developed set of human sub-races. Wow your right great idea. Well just read this post and your halfway there.
#5 samwise Nov 25, 2004 22:48:42	Gee Screedo, how come you didn't say something about the post? You could have you know. Just read it and commented on it. But instead you felt the need to attack Canonfire! yet again, as well as sneer at all the people here. I guess that's easier for you than doing something that is actually creative or supportive yourself.
#6 zombiegleemax Nov 26, 2004 11:48:35	Of all the intelligent die hard Greyhawkers I can't get one intelligent opinion. I thought Greyhawkers were a step above the "kids" on the rest of these boards. You can't tell me no one out there has more info than what I posted. No one has intelligent opinions or suggestions? Instead you would rather "snip" at each other. I, for the first time, am ashamed to say you are my peers.
#7 crag Nov 26, 2004 17:57:14	Very nice article dragonsbane1970. Very comprehensive while avoiding the racial debate that so many of these articles fall prey too. I look forward to your take on the cultures of the demi-humans, if you decide to take on the challenge. I just hope you avoid the "fantasy stereo-types" as neatly as you did the racial ones.
#8 mortellan Nov 27, 2004 0:55:13	sorry dragonsbane, screed simultaneously gave attention to your thread and hijacked it with his ongoing issues. being a writer of things baklunish i liked your brief take on females in baklunish society. it's an intriguing angle to focus on for a fantasy setting, since even in many modern day cultures, for comparison females are regarded as less than equal. its food for thought.
#9 zombiegleemax Nov 28, 2004 20:12:29	I agree with Mortellan about the mixed blessing that NightScreed's response may have provoked among other posters. Personally I noted the length of dragonsbane1970's post and its lack of typographical organizing devices, e.g., careful use of paragraphs, bold or italics, and then went on to read other threads. A little later I started reading this thread's orginal post but then got pulled away. The next day or so I finished reading the post but didn't have much to say that I believed was constructive. While I found a few details to which I object, e.g., the parenthetical analogies to Earthly social groups or "races," that didn't seem worthwhile to post since I've seen or joined those kind of conversations perenially for the past five years (literally). Also because the original post seemed mostly like a draft player aid for dragonsbane1970's campaigning, making my critique that Earth is not Oerth doesn't seem on point. After reading NightScreed's response, I felt momentarily provoked to respond but then moved my knee back into its prior position and continued with my day. While I feel some sympathy after seeing dragonsbane1970's frustration at not receiving "intelligent opinion[,]" ultimately the original post of this thread seems too much like a retread of previously published material. Likely this (over-long) response is not the sort of thing that anyone cares to read, but my basic response to the original post of this thread was, "Hmm. A players' aid. It's not very detailed, but it may communicate a basic understanding of the great races of humanity that Gygax imagined to populate the Flanaess."
#10 omote Nov 29, 2004 10:29:15	As said above, it is definately a great primer for people who are not yet introduced into the Greyhawk setting. Good work, and I like the little additions that you have added for a bit more flavor. A really great start to a larger document (if that is where you are going). If you are looking for a basic intro into each of the races, you have succeeded. However, I think there are many more "layers" and depth to each individual race then you have presented. For example, IMO the Bakunish of the Chakji are nothing like the Baklunish of the far west, similar in physical appearence yes, but almost completely different because of culture and area. Good job, nonetheless. .........................Omote FPQ
#11 Yeoman Nov 29, 2004 15:19:43	I have to agree with Tizoc's observations. To make a greater impact I would like more depth and observation regarding some of the customs and practices which define each of the groups. This would introduce something new to this board and prompt a greater response. I feel that you have touched on this with the Rhenee and Bakluni, but could go further. Some examples might be: - What do the Suloise find insulting? Why? - How would the Flan expect to treat a guest? - What festivals would the Oeridians celebrate which are unique? etc. Naturally, with so many areas of the Flanness being mixed it might be difficult to be too specific, but would allow for some general observations that underpin cultures and perhaps breath greater life into the setting. Hope this helps.
#12 zombiegleemax Nov 30, 2004 22:45:20	Thanks for all the suggestions and feedback.