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#1 zombiegleemax Dec 02, 2004 10:58:12	Trying to compile a list of instances where Athas or it's denizens are mentioned in other Campaign Settings.
#2 zombiegleemax Dec 02, 2004 11:00:52	So far, I'll i've been able to come up with is a mention of Orcus stealing Rhulisti technology in the Planescape adventure Dead Gods, Khalid-Ma's vizier and city being taken to Ravenloft, and some feral cannibalistic halflings that could only have been from Athas inside the planar sphere in Baldur's Gate II:Shadows of Amn
#3 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 02, 2004 13:14:09	Planescape has several references to Athas. The Planescape Campaign Setting mentions forgotten portals leading to (and from I think) Athas. There is also a reference to what could be Athasian elves in the... hmm... Beastlands? (correct me, anyone, been a while since I read Planescape). The Ruvoka are in Planescape MC III (if I'm not mistaken). Sorry that I can't be more specific/certain.
#4 zombiegleemax Dec 02, 2004 13:31:12	Thanks! I'll crack open my Planescape stuff to reference those.I've got the full Planescape set, so it shouldn't be long. If anybody knows any more post 'em! I've got a huge 2E library and everything made for 3E until this month (Except Sharn) so I can verify this stuff and add it to my database pretty quickly.
#5 zombiegleemax Dec 02, 2004 13:45:05	I've checked it out and confirmed that in the Planescape setting, Athasian Defilers, Preservers, and Bards are all mentioned in the Campaign Setting.The Ruvoka are in MMIII, too. The elves are either the Arborean Elves mentioned to be in the Beastlands in Something Wild, or else I haven't found the right reference.But all in all, there is definetely an Athasian presence in the outer planes, so anybody who is stuck on the idea that there is absolutely no outer planar presence on Athas needs to do some more research.
#6 the_peacebringer Dec 02, 2004 14:09:25	I think the elves are found on the third layer of Arborea which is a desert (right?). In that case, the information could be found in PoC boxed set, unless it's in one of the supplements like the PGttP. I'm not 100% on this since my PS stuff is buried in boxes under the dust of ages.
#7 zombiegleemax Dec 02, 2004 14:16:42	PoC =Planes of Chaos?
#8 elonarc Dec 02, 2004 16:19:12	Uncaged - Faces of Sigil: The entry about Jemorille the Exile. Ridiculous, though (but intended). I suppose the Planescape authors just took something from every world they had just a passing knowledge of. In my campaign Dregoth is the only being capable of leaving Athas (via his mirror).
#9 zombiegleemax Dec 02, 2004 17:17:32	Good call on the Exile! Excellent multi-plane tie in. The scum that helped Rajaat develop magic in the first place(if, indeed, he speaks the truth)!Also, I checked agaain on the Arborean elves, and they are in fact Athasian.
#10 zombiegleemax Dec 02, 2004 18:53:16	You will find some stuff in the "Inner Planes".
#11 zombiegleemax Dec 02, 2004 18:55:38	I'm looking for it now. Thanks for the reference.Can you come a little more specific?
#12 zombiegleemax Dec 03, 2004 0:58:20	I will look through it when I have Time, maybe Sunday, I remember the Water Dwarf, originally comming from a World of Fire. Or an Gate in the Plane of Ash leading to Athas, for this one I developed an Artifact, Advanced Paraelemental and a Sect, but I don't know where it is now, though I posted it some years ago to the mailing list.
#13 zombiegleemax Dec 04, 2004 12:48:36	I found the gate in the Quasielemental plane of Ash, but didn't see anything about the Water Dwarf's origin being on a fiery world, but I will keep looking.
#14 zombiegleemax Dec 04, 2004 12:49:13	Any references in the Forgotten Realms to Athas that anyone has noticed?
#15 zombiegleemax Dec 06, 2004 17:26:43	There is the Thrax from the Ravenloft Kalidnay, don't know if you knew about him.
#16 zombiegleemax Dec 06, 2004 17:33:20	I knew Kalidnay got sent to Ravenloft, but not many specifics. Thank you for the insight.
#17 pringles Dec 06, 2004 21:52:20	They talk about the Athasian elfe in the Complete book of elve.
#18 Shemeska_the_Marauder Dec 11, 2004 0:08:52	There's also a district in Sigil between the Lower Ward and the Hive called 'New Tyr' populated by Athasian refugees. No connection back to Athas is given, so it may have been a one-way portal to Sigil, or a periodic portal that opens back onto the world. The info is found in 'Faction War' (a large chunk of information on Sigil at the start of the book that has little to do with the module itself and was originally intended to have been contained within a 'City of Doors' box set that was planned for but never made because TSR/WotC closed the product line)
#19 Ryltar_Swordsong Dec 11, 2004 1:52:24	Any references in the Forgotten Realms to Athas that anyone has noticed? In Cloak & Dagger, there is a Mul who is a member of one of the groups described. In the 2e Fiend Folio MC there is the Ruve, apsionic dog-like species that is described as coming from a desert world where metal is scarce (Athas?).
#20 overelemental Dec 11, 2004 3:22:59	The original planescape boxed set mentioned that when wandering the planes, you might run into a little girl who's the biggest psionic talent to ever have been born.. I've always thought of her as Siemhouk.
#21 zombiegleemax Dec 11, 2004 12:05:51	Who is Siemhouk?
#22 zombiegleemax Dec 11, 2004 12:13:55	A little Templar Girl from Marauders of Nibenay, her unique psionic talent can calm the Dragon Rage. She is Nibenays top VIP, right after Nibenay himself.
#23 zombiegleemax Dec 11, 2004 12:17:55	Oh! I remembered the character, just not the name. This seems to imply that the other campaign settings are a few years or even decades ahead of the Dark Sun timeline.But, I thought Siemhouk was in her mid to late teens?
#24 overelemental Dec 12, 2004 22:28:24	Oh! I remembered the character, just not the name. This seems to imply that the other campaign settings are a few years or even decades ahead of the Dark Sun timeline.But, I thought Siemhouk was in her mid to late teens? Depends when in the campaign you're playing I guess. Think she was 10ish around free year 1, 14ish in some adventure released in free year 4ish. I don't have the timeline in front of me.
#25 zombiegleemax Jan 17, 2005 13:14:25	BTW you can see if Dark Sun is mentioned in a Product if it is named in the Disclaimer on the first page. If you can't read Dark Sun there you can skip the book. Of course it could be only a very short mention of Athas. Oh and the Halfling who was teached how to cast spells, the one named Rajaat could never have been THE RAJAAT, he was a Pyreen, or Human, depends on. Of course Halflings who followed Rajaats cause could have honoured him by giving their children the name Rajaat. He was just on of those Halflings ;). ADVANCED DUNGEONS & DRAGONS, AD&D, DARK SUN, DUNGEON MASTER, DRAGON’S CROWN and the TSR logo are registered trademarks owned by TSR, Inc. All TSR characters, character names, and the distinctive likeliness thereof are trademarks owned by TSR, Inc. © 1996 All rights reserved. Printed in the USA. Random House and its affiliate companies have worldwide distribution rights in the book trade for English-language products of TSR, Inc. Distributed to the book and hobby trade in the United Kingdom by TSR Ltd. Distributed to the toy and hobby trade by regional distributors. This product by the copyright laws of the United States of America. Any reproduction of unauthorized use of material or artwork contained herein is prohibited without the express written permission of a TSR, Inc.
#26 zombiegleemax Jan 17, 2005 15:35:52	Sorry double post.
#27 endugu Jan 18, 2005 4:58:14	Well, if I remember correctly, in one of Ravenloft's "Van Richten's Guides", theres the mention of a foreign warrior, who apparently origins from arid lands, always carries a bone axe with him, is fascinated by metallic items and who has the ability to "feel" the presence of undead nearby. Id say that strongly hints at an atahasian...though I doubt there's any mention of the Dark Sun trademark in the book, since its written "in character" and therefore never openly mentioned where the character comes from (at least I think so).
#28 zombiegleemax Jan 18, 2005 17:29:27	I think the mention of Rajaat being a halfling could have been for a variety of reasons, but you conclusion is logical, Lukasz. I think Rajaat was really short and stunted, along with being an ugly mutant, and maybe Jamorille the Exile mistook him for a halfling. Also, TSR is notorious for having inconsistincies and screwups(Ktandeo was called a halfling, too, but in fact they were confusing him with Nok), so I think it could have just been lazy researching, too. At the very least, that means we have 3 different possibilities for how this could have come to be! :fight!: :fight!:
#29 nytcrawlr Jan 18, 2005 17:48:44	The 2nd ed Fiend Folio has a dog creature in it that is supposedly from Athas. We incoporated it into ToA as well. :D
#30 zombiegleemax Jan 30, 2005 17:02:55	"Liber Benevolentiae" page 15 The current leader of the Wylders is Aaronatok (Pr/male/C9(elemental cleric)/Verdant Guild/NG), who often speaks out against ravages of uncontrolled magic on the land's ecosystem. "Liber Benevolentiae" page 37 Baragon Switfwind (Pr/male/Athasian elf/Ps7/Merkhant sect/LN) is a trader of gems and jewelry, and he comes to the Golden Hills themselves to trade with the realm's petitioners for their wares. He then wanders the other planes, trading the gnomish goods for other small valuable items. As the gems and jewelry are small enough for him to carry, he has no need for wagons or central location such as Yeoman to do business. Swiftwind is known in the area to be able to acquire almost anything a cutter could want. "Players Guide to Conflict" page 9 The current leader of the Wylders is the outspoken Aaronatok, an unusual type of priest from a secluded prime world that suffered some massive ecological disaster in the past due to a unique type of magic used there. Aaronatok knows from experience what a destroyed ecosystem can mean to a world, and he has made it his mission to see that such a fate doesn't befall any other worlds. Aaronatoks home is Athas I guess, at least it is very likely. A DM could adapt those two NPCs with ease into every existing campaign, bringing them back to Athas. I have a bit time on my way to the University, so I read now through the Planescape Products I own, I'm through the Campaign setting, but there was nothing of interest beyond the stuff already mentioned. However I couldn't find the note about Siemhouk. Anyway, I'm now through the Planes of Conflict and on my way to read the Planes of Law.
#31 zombiegleemax Feb 01, 2005 9:04:34	In Ravenloft, forbidden lore box set [TSR], there is a booklet wich tell many things about a part of athas draged to the domains of dread. The domain is called Kaliday, it has a state city and it's ruled by a templar whose name I have forgotten. It's very interesting excentric. I bought Ravenloft 3.0 ed, but I don't remember if the main book has references to Kaliday. []s
#32 zombiegleemax Feb 02, 2005 3:13:31	in the 2ed ravenloft unique monsters booklet there was one athasian vampire, drained water anyways. i think it was a thrax