Jeff Lawson
http://www.petitiononline.com/darksun3/petition.html
Not too bad, needs some improvement though if you want this to ever succeed.
I think I was #4 or something when I signed it.
http://www.petitiononline.com/darksun3/petition.html
sign up folks we need all the support we can get
:raincloud
Jon says neither Flip nor himself have the capacity to do so.
:raincloud
Flip has sticked things before, what happen to that special power?
Long live the revolution!
The wonderful thing about this, from WoTC standpoint, is that Dark Sun is so unique that a normal phb just can't cut it. Most games will require multiple copies of the athas.org material to run effectively and extra copies of the setting material for player use is almost as crucial.
I'd like to see a "Dark Sun Gazeteer" much like the Greyhawk Gazeteer. My greyhawk group has 4 copies of that world's book floating around the table at any one time (6 players). With a setting as singular as Dark Sun it is almost a foregone conclusion that the same setup would appear.
:PTell your friends
We've a Petition
To Raise the 'Sun' again
Hurry Love
no time to waste
To spill Thri-Kreen blood
is a thrill to taste
Psions and Rangers
running wild in the heat
A life filled with Dangers
Dark Sun can't be beat.
http://www.petitiononline.com/darksun3/petition.html
I'm #63, even if I like 69 better... But this is a totally different story... :D
:heehee
My craziness must be rubbing off on people, mwuahahahaha!
Flip has sticked things before, what happen to that special power?
Flip got exposed to Kryptonite.
Flip got exposed to Kryptonite.
What do you mean?? He lost is power from wotc? Why? 
And spreaded it over some big brazilian RPG mailing-lists.
So, come on, everyone:
-All those who breathe should vote.
-All those who don't should vote too.
:pile:
come on, people, we can do much better than that!
Start the
already!Come on folks, all you who've read this page, and there are many. please make a statement if you agree.
oh yeah! But.......still need..........more signatures. 
:fight!:
:fight!:I have some of comilitones who would sign this petition when I would ask them, but they aren't yet no Dark Sun fans, so do you need their voices?
Why wouldn't they be fans, not gamers or more fond of standard tolkienesque fantasy worlds.
:fight!:
:fight!::angelhide
I have always loved Dark Sun. I hated the Realms, I hated old 2nd AD&D, until my buddy said "Hey, I got this cool new desert campaign for D&D, we gotta try it" The rest is history
http://www.petitiononline.com/darksun3/petition.html
Still, I can't see WOTC publishing a book that I'd be happy with in the long run, unless of course they took the route that they did with Dragonlance where SS did all the work, and WOTC gets all the credit for the hardcover, since the Athas.org team has already done most of the work.
(edit) Which makes me a much belated signer #324.
Come on Cousin
Tell your friends
We've a Petition
To Raise the 'Sun' again
Hurry Love
no time to waste
To spill Thri-Kreen blood
is a thrill to taste
Psions and Rangers
running wild in the heat
A life filled with Dangers
Dark Sun can't be beat.
http://www.petitiononline.com/darksun3/petition.html
After that terrible poem, how could I not sign just to make him stop?!
;)
Just Kidding. I signed, number 331 I think.
it's been a while since i did some decent poetry. although I am in that limerick thread.
Furthermore and I really don't like bursting anyone's bubble, but what makes you think this has ANY sort of chance of success?
And let me say right now, so I won't have to in the future: I'm sorry for stepping on anyone's toes.
Not meaning to break the fun anyone is having with all this, but wouldn't it be easier to simply buy the rights to Dark Sun? I have no idea what the price of such a feat'd be, mind you.
That's an easy answer: nobody has $100,000+ on hand to buy it (probably double or triple that). My understanding is that you'd need at least that much just to get WotC to talk to you about buying it.
Long live Torack!! Huray!
Rrrmm...Nightdruid has a more sedate answer.
Also, for every person that signs the pettiton, there's probably 100 who have no idea the petition is out there, or haven't signed cause they're paranoid about getting spam or something, which won't happen. WOTC stands to make a lot of money doing this. I have to speculate about your motives. Are you perhaps a Realms fan? Or really into Eberron?Torack, what is the point of posting something like that? We're trying to cause something to happen. Wizards won't sell the rights, not even to the original author, because they have plans for the setting, as in movies, probably eventually bringing it back to current rules, etc. We're really just trying to accellerate the process by showing there's a great demand for it now. Negative attitudes like yours detract from what we are trying to do.
Torack is entitled to put his point of view forward, so long as he is civil about it (which I would say he has been), so let's not get worked up about it, eh? For the record, while I wish those who have created and signed this petition all the best of luck, I also have reservations about its success (Mach summed them up quite neatly). But maybe that's a topic for another thread
.We look to dragonlance and ravenloft as examples of old settings reborn to 3rd and know that DS will sell at least equal to either of these settings, and potentially equal FR in sales revinue. It has a vast unused potential in stories and character designs for video games, books, campaign modules and release books. While Magic is the all time standard 'FX' provided by D&D with psionics as a side, alternate style, in Dark Sun this is reversed.The revised psionics rulebook could be given the oportunity to rise to the occasion and face an upturn in sales as well.
What we do not need is negative reactions to naysayers. They have the right to their opinions, and in fact, these opinions are needed to refine any idea. Otherwise, any intellectual pursuit would stagnate in neglect.
That's an easy answer: nobody has $100,000+ on hand to buy it (probably double or triple that). My understanding is that you'd need at least that much just to get WotC to talk to you about buying it.
Chew on this...
Troy Denning has gone to WotC, TWICE (pay attention will you people), WITH CASH in hopes to purchase Dark Sun and was shot down both times.
So obviously it's not a money issue, there's a much bigger issue going on.
Troy Denning has gone to WotC, TWICE (pay attention will you people), WITH CASH in hopes to purchase Dark Sun and was shot down both times.
So obviously it's not a money issue, there's a much bigger issue going on.
It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!
BTW, I think Kam and Jester are right, this petition alone probably won't do it. Anyways, I'm staying positive but I'm not getting my hopes up.<
P.S. When I signed, we were only three so I can't give you guys THE COUNT :D .
It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!
Not a conspiracy, just proof that WotC has other motives then to just sell it off to the highest bidder.
Don't get me wrong, I signed this petition after all, but I think if you are truly serious about this, then you better be ready for a long, drug out fight, where as this is the only first step of that fight.
If you aren't that serious, then I hope this wasn't too much of a waste of time, heh.
Chew on this...
Troy Denning has gone to WotC, TWICE (pay attention will you people), WITH CASH in hopes to purchase Dark Sun and was shot down both times.
So obviously it's not a money issue, there's a much bigger issue going on.
And did they give more detailed answer or just send Mr Denning away?
When was it? If before Ravenloft and Dragonlace was resurrected by 3rd parties maybe they waited for such thing for DS as well, or contrary, they didn't know what to do with it (=how to make money from it) and simply waited for this very reason.
And did they give more detailed answer or just send Mr Denning away?
Unfortunately that's all the information that I have.
We could always add it to the Q&A, but I don't recommend that. Only because it will probably be ignored at that point.
Not a conspiracy, just proof that WotC has other motives then to just sell it off to the highest bidder.
Don't get me wrong, I signed this petition after all, but I think if you are truly serious about this, then you better be ready for a long, drug out fight, where as this is the only first step of that fight.
If you aren't that serious, then I hope this wasn't too much of a waste of time, heh.
Serious about the conspiracy... no, that was a joke.
But I am serious about helping out if I can... and if it don't cos' nuthin'. Don't get me wrong, if DS comes out, I'll buy it (which is why I signed in the first place), but my life is not depending on it... Besides, I like what you guys at Athas.org and all the fans on this forum are doing (well, the ones that are actually providing something... not fans like I, who just read the stuff :P ).
All in all, whatever happens, I'm stickin'!
Not meaning to break the fun anyone is having with all this, but wouldn't it be easier to simply buy the rights to Dark Sun? I have no idea what the price of such a feat'd be, mind you.
Furthermore and I really don't like bursting anyone's bubble, but what makes you think this has ANY sort of chance of success?
And let me say right now, so I won't have to in the future: I'm sorry for stepping on anyone's toes.
Maybe there is a small chance or no chance at all, but at least we must not stop peoples that are trying. They had the guts to try something, by all means, if it work, cheer!
Are you perhaps a Realms fan? Or really into Eberron?
HAHAHAHA! Seriously, if given the choice between Dark Sun and any other campaign out there, I'd pick Dark Sun in a heartbeat(Actually it'd be less then that, but who's counting?).
Sorry to dissapoint you. It's just that I've seen waaaaay to many of these Online Petitions used for all sorts of stuff and none of those had the desired effect.
With regards to the not-selling-the-setting, assuming WotC has plans for it(And I hope they do), wouldn't it be, I don't know, easier to wait see what'll happen?
I know a lot of you, dare I say, like me, really really really really want WotC to publish more material on the settings, and I can imagine that holds true for the folks from Planescape and Mystara and Spelljammer god-knows what other worlds out there got cut.
Personally I consider it a boon to know that settings like Ravenloft and Dragonlance have not dissapeared and made the transition to 3rd Edition/v3.5. It means there's hope for the other settings too.
Meh, but I'm starting to ramble, so I'll just quit now.
With regards to the not-selling-the-setting, assuming WotC has plans for it(And I hope they do), wouldn't it be, I don't know, easier to wait see what'll happen?
Possibly; more likely they're just sitting on the license. Corperations often do just that: they'll sit on a license for a few years/decades, because either supporting it isn't worth the effort, or hope that the license increases in value.
Best example that I can think of is in action is Star Trek. In the 70s (?), it fairly expensive to produce, costing a huge amount of money per episode, and it had medocre ratings. So the networks canned it after what, 70 episodes, then sat on the license for 10-15 years. During that time, it developed an enormous cult following, such that they decided to bring it back with The Next Generation, which proved successful enough to warrent 3 additional spin-offs. Now, of course, after so many spinoffs that lasted 7 years each, they've managed to run the license pretty much into the ground again. Ratings for Enterprise are rather slim, so I expect them to shove Star Trek into a vault somewhere for the next 10 years, and let the cult regrow.
So I can imagine WotC is either waiting for a time when setting revivals will be profitable. If that's next year or 10 years from now, I really can't say, I'm not a bean-counter
But is costs us nothing but a few seconds of effort to try! :D
oh and in case you don't know the word is 'Loot'.
or in other words
BUMP
damn. I hate it when I rhyme, sad to say I do it all the time
Damn, I nearly made 666.
Shoo.
I bet you'll get it closer to 1,000 if you post to those two communities.
Yes. You should post there.
Dark Sun is a more gritty setting. and that's being literal.
Sorry I can't help it sometimes.DS offers you a chance to play either with a post apocalyptic or primatives stance. While Eberron gives you a stylistic expansion of racial and class stereotypes DS gives you a completely different story. Where you blend palace intrigue and savage adventure with a real challenge; survival.
Yes, we're coming along nicely. another few weeks I might have enough to comfortablely send it off to the wiz' staff...
Happy BUMPING New Year!
but please get Brom back to do more artwork if stuff does get published :D
oh btw, this might be against privacy rules, but i saw some dutch names in that list of people that signed the petition, and since im still looking for more people in my own country to maybe hook up with or at least chatter with about Dark Sun, is there any chance they could either speak up here on the forum or people point me out to them or them to me or whatever :P :D
Did you note the new board software? Some of the, erm, admin features for those of us in ... er, non-standard admin groups, are currently not implemented.
I never had the rights of a full admin/moderator, and at the moment, with the new software, I'm even more restricted than I once was ...
The two of us should talk to the Wiz-O's about getting those priveleges.
it's a matter of hacking the board code. Really, all I can do is post polls and close/reopen my own threads. I have to beg to get something stickied.
So What's the general consensus on the signature number i'm looking for before printing this and sending it to the customer service dept, marketing dept, sales, and what corollates to a games development devision of Wizards?
i'd hate to send this off before as many people as possible have a chance to sign and make themselves heard.
Now that you have it both on enworld and rpg it should be getting a ton of new sigs.
come on guys get ya friends to sign, find dark sun fan sites and spam them with the petition, everything we can do to get it goin!
So What's the general consensus on the signature number i'm looking for before printing this and sending it to the customer service dept, marketing dept, sales, and what corollates to a games development devision of Wizards?
I would aim for at least 3,000 signatures, and that's a minimum. Basically, what you are doing is giving Wizards a document that says, "This many people will buy your product if you actually release it." It has to be a number that would justify them roping in artists, writers, editors, and so on. If 3,000 sign a document, that's a sizeable number. Otherwise, the costs just do not justify it.
Now, release it to another corp? That's a better idea. Will they do it? Unlikely, but what've we got to lose?
Personally, I like the job Athas.org is doing, but something more concrete (ie. non-voluntary) would be nice.
I would aim for at least 3,000 signatures, and that's a minimum. Basically, what you are doing is giving Wizards a document that says, "This many people will buy your product if you actually release it." It has to be a number that would justify them roping in artists, writers, editors, and so on. If 3,000 sign a document, that's a sizeable number. Otherwise, the costs just do not justify it.
makes sense.
So Everyone, keep passing this link around to friends, gamers. print the front page and some blank sheets and take em to your gaming shops...
chop chop people. I want a new book for next Christmas. :D
Somebody needs some cotton candy!
And a cheerleader!
And, uh, one of these!
:coolcthul
Maybe I'm offbase. Maybe 20,000 plus core book sales is enough to get WOTC's attention. Hopefully so.
:coolcthul (sorry, just had to use a cthulhu smily)
I know where I'd rather have it.
On one hand, I'd rather keep it free, available to all, outside the constraints of a 'publisher's opinion' of how to make a product sell, and best of all, be able to offer feedback, citiques, and criticism about what goes on.
On the other hand, it sure as hell would be nice to see WOTC throw Athas.org a bone for the years of hard work. I don't care about holding some damn hardcover book in my hands; its the information itself I'm after, not the 8x10 glossy pic on an overpriced coffee coaster. In reality, if WOTC revived DS, or some other publisher, but cut Athas.org and the online community out of the picture, I probably would regret having signed the petition.
In fact . . . if anyone at marketing had half a brain, they would realise quickly the push factor of reviving a setting such as DS or PS WITH the community involvement. "You designed it; we made it reality" or somesuch catchy nonesensical selling point. Reviewed and critiqed by the fanbase itself before seeing print. If, and that's one hell of an unlikely IF, they took that kind of direction with it, then I'd stand up and support it 100%. Liscensing aside, I still feel like DS has become OUR setting now, even if we don't own it. Kinda like finding a lovable freindly stray dog and raising it for a few years, only to have the real dog's owner come back and take it off you, turn it into a viscious attack dog, and then saying 'how do you like him now?'
I'd still like to see Athas.org get something for the work involved . . . at least offer to foot the bill for hosting or something.
Yar, I tend to agree: 3,000 being a minimum. 3,000 might be enough for someone at Wizards to take a closer look and do some "market research," however. Now the next question: would you rather put Dark Sun into the hands of Wizards or keep it right here in the community, where you actually have a say in what happens.
I know where I'd rather have it.
Amen to that
.
I am all for this.
Now the next question: would you rather put Dark Sun into the hands of Wizards or keep it right here in the community, where you actually have a say in what happens.
I know where I'd rather have it.
Amen brother.
Until I get my Troy, Tim, Melka, and Abbey dream team to do DS, I'd rather keep it in the commnity's hands.