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No More Dregoth Ascending Spoilers - AND STOP DISTRIBUTING DA 2E

Post/Author/DateTime Post
#1
zombiegleemax
Dec 08, 2004 21:17:22 People, we really need to cut that out. The guys at Athas.org worked really hard to convert that stuff, and it's kinda like crappin in their cereal for people to reveal too much of what they know about Dregoth Ascending. That doc isn't supposed to be public knowledge (not that I have any right to have it either, and I'm not going to erase mine, but neither will I share it) . This kind of spoiling will diminish the experience for people who've never seen the material. Just my two cents, and I mean no disrespect to anyone by saying this.
:fight!: :fight!:
#2
zombiegleemax
Dec 09, 2004 2:07:14 I agree a 100%.... almost, just one thing, everyone should decide this for himself, those who don't mind to know everything should get it, and they will get it from me . Though it shouldn't be discussed in the public.
#3
Sysane
Dec 09, 2004 8:03:53
I agree 100%., almost, just one thing, everyone should decide for himself, who doesn't mind to know everything should get it, and will get it from me . Though it shouldn't be discussed in the public.

I agree that spoilers are needed, but also agree that any who want it should have access to it. Some people have waited a very long time for this material.
#4
jon_oracle_of_athas
Dec 09, 2004 18:01:47
almost, just one thing, everyone should decide this for himself, those who don't mind to know everything should get it, and they will get it from me

Are you saying you're sharing the file?
#5
jaanos
Dec 09, 2004 18:11:46 How many years? Can't wait for my xmas 3e DA from athas.org BRING IT ON! :D :D :D

I agree that spoilers are needed, but also agree that any who want it should have access to it. Some people have waited a very long time for this material.

#6
Sysane
Dec 09, 2004 20:28:22
How many years? Can't wait for my xmas 3e DA from athas.org BRING IT ON! :D :D :D

For me? Its been almost 9 years if not more. I have it now though
#7
zombiegleemax
Dec 10, 2004 3:14:23
Are you saying you're sharing the file?

Is this important?
#8
Pennarin
Dec 10, 2004 3:48:15
Is this important?

You really have to ask?

Sharing documents that have clauses not permitting reproduction and distribution is illegal. That's stuff for the FBI and Interpol - or their equivalent - in the worst of cases.

In the best of cases you get a warning from a WizO, especially if the offending material is a property of WotC, which it is, or your board's account gets closed.

You're not the first by the way. Wise up and change your tune.
#9
zombiegleemax
Dec 10, 2004 5:34:05 Hm, I didn't know it's illegal, there was no disclaimer in the document I have. So do I have to delete it now or what?? It isn't even obvious that it is from WotC, it was never printed, it could be even a fan based work.
I also would never want money for this.

Anyway, will the 2nd Ed be released too? For all those DS Players who use still the 2nd Ed?
#10
jon_oracle_of_athas
Dec 10, 2004 10:48:15
Is this important?

Yes, because it is illegal to spread material for which you don't have intellectual property rights, regardless of whether it is produced by an individual or a company. You have to have the author's permission, and unless you can provide solid evidence that you do (which I know for a fact you don't), offended parties may prosecute you. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, as any templar can tell you.
#11
zombiegleemax
Dec 10, 2004 13:22:53 Ok Jon .

BTW what Templars are you talking about? Not Uriks I hope
#12
gab
Dec 10, 2004 13:26:10 Any digital copy of Dregoth Ascending is illegal, unless a member of Athas.org gave it to you. Only a few legal, paper copies of Dregoth Ascending were distributed at GenCon in 1996 (IIRC).

There was no disclaimer in the document you have because it was probably an internal working document. Any document you have with DS content should have a disclaimer that Dark Sun Intellectual Property belongs to Wizards of the Coast.

Our agreement with Wizards is that any unreleased material (Dregoth Ascending and Secrets of the Dead Lands) that was given to us when the official site was nominated has to be done in 3E. We cannot released Dregoth Ascending and Secrets of the Dead Lands in 2E format.
#13
greyorm
Dec 10, 2004 14:42:25 Please, everyone, educate yourselves on basic copyright law, because while you believe you may be "sharing freely" and doing others a favor, you are doing so by injuring the very people you believe you are praising by spreading their work: the writers and illustrators of the work.

As an artist, this is an issue I can get furious about. There is little worse than having someone utilize your work, for any reason, without permission, even if the distributor believes he is "flattering the artist" by doing so. No, he's not, in fact he is hurting the artitst's ability to earn further compensation for any of their work.

Distribution without permission is trampling on the creator's rights; and nothing makes a creator more upset than this, no matter your intent. It is a very simple thing in the digital age to gain permission. There is no excuse not to.

Also note, just because something does not have a copyright or non-distribution statement on it, or even have an author's name, does not make it public domain or legal to distribute without permission.

If you wish to distribute something you have found, and do not know who the author is, it is up to you to do the legwork and find out who it belongs to, then obtain permission, before you do anything with it publically. BTW, "I don't know who this belongs to, so if you're the person, please contact me..." is cold comfort and still illegal.

Copyright Links:
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html
http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/
http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/copynet.htm

Finally, if you don't like the way this works, and believe in public domain and in the value of the free trade of information (or just believe that current copyright laws have become bloated and perverted by companies seeking to maximize their profit margins at the expense of our continuing culture at large), then change the laws: educate yourself on the issue and then contact your representatives! That's what they're there for!
#14
nytcrawlr
Dec 10, 2004 15:17:40
Finally, if you don't like the way this works, and believe in public domain and in the value of the free trade of information (or just believe that current copyright laws have become bloated and perverted by companies seeking to maximize their profit margins at the expense of our continuing culture at large), then change the laws: educate yourself on the issue and then contact your representatives! That's what they're there for!

Yep, I've been fighting this for years.

Educate yourself on it and join the team people.
#15
zombiegleemax
Dec 10, 2004 15:33:17 I'm educated

I'm an Artist too, welcome in the club Grey.
#16
Kamelion
Dec 10, 2004 15:45:11
As an artist, this is an issue I can get furious about. There is little worse than having someone utilize your work, for any reason, without permission, even if the distributor believes he is "flattering the artist" by doing so. No, he's not, in fact he is hurting the artitst's ability to earn further compensation for any of their work.

Absolutely. It is the artistic equivalent of coming home late one evening to discover a thief disappearing out of your window with your cd-player, and as he does so, he compliments on your choice of audio equipment...
#17
nytcrawlr
Dec 10, 2004 16:23:24
I'm educated

No offense, but if you were educated on the matter you would have known you were doing something illegal. ;)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Dec 08, 2004 21:17:22	People, we really need to cut that out. The guys at Athas.org worked really hard to convert that stuff, and it's kinda like crappin in their cereal for people to reveal too much of what they know about Dregoth Ascending. That doc isn't supposed to be public knowledge (not that I have any right to have it either, and I'm not going to erase mine, but neither will I share it) . This kind of spoiling will diminish the experience for people who've never seen the material. Just my two cents, and I mean no disrespect to anyone by saying this. :fight!: :fight!:
#2 zombiegleemax Dec 09, 2004 2:07:14	I agree a 100%.... almost, just one thing, everyone should decide this for himself, those who don't mind to know everything should get it, and they will get it from me . Though it shouldn't be discussed in the public.
#3 Sysane Dec 09, 2004 8:03:53	I agree 100%., almost, just one thing, everyone should decide for himself, who doesn't mind to know everything should get it, and will get it from me . Though it shouldn't be discussed in the public. I agree that spoilers are needed, but also agree that any who want it should have access to it. Some people have waited a very long time for this material.
#4 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 09, 2004 18:01:47	almost, just one thing, everyone should decide this for himself, those who don't mind to know everything should get it, and they will get it from me Are you saying you're sharing the file?
#5 jaanos Dec 09, 2004 18:11:46	How many years? Can't wait for my xmas 3e DA from athas.org BRING IT ON! :D :D :D I agree that spoilers are needed, but also agree that any who want it should have access to it. Some people have waited a very long time for this material.
#6 Sysane Dec 09, 2004 20:28:22	How many years? Can't wait for my xmas 3e DA from athas.org BRING IT ON! :D :D :D For me? Its been almost 9 years if not more. I have it now though
#7 zombiegleemax Dec 10, 2004 3:14:23	Are you saying you're sharing the file? Is this important?
#8 Pennarin Dec 10, 2004 3:48:15	Is this important? You really have to ask? Sharing documents that have clauses not permitting reproduction and distribution is illegal. That's stuff for the FBI and Interpol - or their equivalent - in the worst of cases. In the best of cases you get a warning from a WizO, especially if the offending material is a property of WotC, which it is, or your board's account gets closed. You're not the first by the way. Wise up and change your tune.
#9 zombiegleemax Dec 10, 2004 5:34:05	Hm, I didn't know it's illegal, there was no disclaimer in the document I have. So do I have to delete it now or what?? It isn't even obvious that it is from WotC, it was never printed, it could be even a fan based work. I also would never want money for this. Anyway, will the 2nd Ed be released too? For all those DS Players who use still the 2nd Ed?
#10 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 10, 2004 10:48:15	Is this important? Yes, because it is illegal to spread material for which you don't have intellectual property rights, regardless of whether it is produced by an individual or a company. You have to have the author's permission, and unless you can provide solid evidence that you do (which I know for a fact you don't), offended parties may prosecute you. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, as any templar can tell you.
#11 zombiegleemax Dec 10, 2004 13:22:53	Ok Jon . BTW what Templars are you talking about? Not Uriks I hope
#12 gab Dec 10, 2004 13:26:10	Any digital copy of Dregoth Ascending is illegal, unless a member of Athas.org gave it to you. Only a few legal, paper copies of Dregoth Ascending were distributed at GenCon in 1996 (IIRC). There was no disclaimer in the document you have because it was probably an internal working document. Any document you have with DS content should have a disclaimer that Dark Sun Intellectual Property belongs to Wizards of the Coast. Our agreement with Wizards is that any unreleased material (Dregoth Ascending and Secrets of the Dead Lands) that was given to us when the official site was nominated has to be done in 3E. We cannot released Dregoth Ascending and Secrets of the Dead Lands in 2E format.
#13 greyorm Dec 10, 2004 14:42:25	Please, everyone, educate yourselves on basic copyright law, because while you believe you may be "sharing freely" and doing others a favor, you are doing so by injuring the very people you believe you are praising by spreading their work: the writers and illustrators of the work. As an artist, this is an issue I can get furious about. There is little worse than having someone utilize your work, for any reason, without permission, even if the distributor believes he is "flattering the artist" by doing so. No, he's not, in fact he is hurting the artitst's ability to earn further compensation for any of their work. Distribution without permission is trampling on the creator's rights; and nothing makes a creator more upset than this, no matter your intent. It is a very simple thing in the digital age to gain permission. There is no excuse not to. Also note, just because something does not have a copyright or non-distribution statement on it, or even have an author's name, does not make it public domain or legal to distribute without permission. If you wish to distribute something you have found, and do not know who the author is, it is up to you to do the legwork and find out who it belongs to, then obtain permission, before you do anything with it publically. BTW, "I don't know who this belongs to, so if you're the person, please contact me..." is cold comfort and still illegal. Copyright Links: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/ http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/copynet.htm Finally, if you don't like the way this works, and believe in public domain and in the value of the free trade of information (or just believe that current copyright laws have become bloated and perverted by companies seeking to maximize their profit margins at the expense of our continuing culture at large), then change the laws: educate yourself on the issue and then contact your representatives! That's what they're there for!
#14 nytcrawlr Dec 10, 2004 15:17:40	Finally, if you don't like the way this works, and believe in public domain and in the value of the free trade of information (or just believe that current copyright laws have become bloated and perverted by companies seeking to maximize their profit margins at the expense of our continuing culture at large), then change the laws: educate yourself on the issue and then contact your representatives! That's what they're there for! Yep, I've been fighting this for years. Educate yourself on it and join the team people.
#15 zombiegleemax Dec 10, 2004 15:33:17	I'm educated I'm an Artist too, welcome in the club Grey.
#16 Kamelion Dec 10, 2004 15:45:11	As an artist, this is an issue I can get furious about. There is little worse than having someone utilize your work, for any reason, without permission, even if the distributor believes he is "flattering the artist" by doing so. No, he's not, in fact he is hurting the artitst's ability to earn further compensation for any of their work. Absolutely. It is the artistic equivalent of coming home late one evening to discover a thief disappearing out of your window with your cd-player, and as he does so, he compliments on your choice of audio equipment...
#17 nytcrawlr Dec 10, 2004 16:23:24	I'm educated No offense, but if you were educated on the matter you would have known you were doing something illegal. ;)