1) Caramon and Raistlin are named after the god or what? Whats with the majere name?
2) Why "Knights of the Rose"? I can figure about Knights of Crown or Sword (symbols of royalty and knighthood), but what about the rose? Is that some kind of Solamnia symbol?
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2) I'm not rightly sure. It probably has something to do with the Rose Rebellion (the war that split Solamnia off from Ergoth and lead to the creation of the Knights of Solamnia), but for the life of me I can't think of why that war was called the Rose Rebellion.
2) now I could be wrong but if I recall Vinus Solamnus correctly the Rose Rebellion was staged fro Dargaard Keep. Which was constucted to look like a rose. It also served as the first Headquarts of the Knights when Vinus founded them. Of course they capital of Solmania was later relocated and Dargaard Keep became the home and later prison for Soth... but that's beside the point.
*EDIT* Manin, sorry man but the three patrons of the order are Habbakuk (Crown Knights), Kiri-Jolith (Sword), and Paladine (Rose). Majere was never involved with the Knighthood.
2) Paladin's the king of gods, Kiri-Jolith is a warrior, the symbol for Majere is a Rose.
That's true...the problem is, the patron guards are Paladine, Kiri-Jolith, and Habbakuk (not Majere).
2) now I could be wrong but if I recall Vinus Solamnus correctly the Rose Rebellion was staged fro Dargaard Keep. Which was constucted to look like a rose. It also served as the first Headquarts of the Knights when Vinus founded them. Of course they capital of Solmania was later relocated and Dargaard Keep became the home and later prison for Soth... but that's beside the point.
I believe that was Vingaard Keep where everything was staged from, not Dargaard Keep. (and Dargaard was designed like a rose because it was a symbol of the knights, not the other way around, I think.)
Like I said that was only if I recalled correctly and it has been awhile since I read Vinus Solamnus. They sound similar I got mixed up.
Like I said that was only if I recalled correctly and it has been awhile since I read Vinus Solamnus. They sound similar I got mixed up.
Well...I wasn't sure at first, but since the Vingaard Keep was the capitol of Solamnia for a while, I figured it must have been that one.
Of course some sources state that Vingaard Keep was the Brightblade home for a while too. (I think it more likely that Castle Di Caela was Sturm's childhood home...I'd have to go back and read The Oath and the Measure again to be sure though).
2) I'm not rightly sure. It probably has something to do with the Rose Rebellion (the war that split Solamnia off from Ergoth and lead to the creation of the Knights of Solamnia), but for the life of me I can't think of why that war was called the Rose Rebellion.
I just finished reading Vinas Solamnus so I can probably help there....
Long story short, when Vinas set out originally from Ergoth to ATTACK Vingard Keep he gave each woman in the town a rose and told them to give them to the soldiers as they left. The women gave the roses to the soldiers who were then filled with national pride & rode out with heads high rather than low.
In the end Vinas rebelled against Ergoth & the rest is history.
2) now I could be wrong but if I recall Vinus Solamnus correctly the Rose Rebellion was staged fro Dargaard Keep. Which was constucted to look like a rose. It also served as the first Headquarts of the Knights when Vinus founded them. Of course they capital of Solmania was later relocated and Dargaard Keep became the home and later prison for Soth... but that's beside the point.
Dargaard Keep was built for Soth, or Soth family. But I'm almost positive that the keep was specifically built for Lord Soth (could of been his design though).
Of course some sources state that Vingaard Keep was the Brightblade home for a while too. (I think it more likely that Castle Di Caela was Sturm's childhood home...I'd have to go back and read The Oath and the Measure again to be sure though).
Well, I will renege this statement. As, according to Darkness and Light, there is a specific Castle Brightblade (it's kind of northwest of Vingaard along the Gold River).
The women gave the roses to the soldiers who were then filled with national pride & rode out with heads high rather than low.
Thanks for that! I figured that book had the answer.
Well, I will renege this statement. As, according to Darkness and Light, there is a specific Castle Brightblade (it's kind of northwest of Vingaard along the Gold River).Thanks for that! I figured that book had the answer.
Wise man. Sturm was born and raised in Castle Brightblade, which in itself was only a relatively new castle. Sturm's grandfather Emelin constructed Castle Brightblade for himself and his heirs, when his half-brother Galen (The Weasel) was given Castle di Caela by their father Bayard.
In short the Brightblade line began in Vingaard Keep, possibly given part of the estate after Bedel's heroics, and stayed there until a peasant army ravaged the keep, slaying Helmar Brightblade and young Bayard escaped. On winning the tournament at di Caela, Bayard inherited Castle di Caela and the family sprouted from there. When Bayard and Enid had two heirs, Galen (adopted) & Emelin (born), each had a castle. Galen's own son Agion was the last to stand in Castle di Caela before it was destroyed. Similarly Emelin's son Angriff was the last lord of Castle Brightblade before it's destruction.
Similarly Emelin's son Angriff was the last lord of Castle Brightblade before it's destruction.
Thanks for all that, Uziel! That helps quite a bit (with more than just this debate).
Quick question...what are all the references for this? Is it only the three Michael Williams books about the Brightblades? Or was there more in another novel or sourcebook perhaps?
Thanks again!
Sourcebook material in the past has really only touched on Bedal Brightblade with only the barest of descriptions.
Surprisingly there are almost no inconsistencies across all 4 books when it comes to the history of the Brightblades and their ancestral home(s).
Thanks for the info! This has been very helpful!