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#1zombiegleemaxDec 14, 2004 15:04:38 | Some famous quotes do seem to coincide with the philosophies of many of the factions, most often their real-world equivalents. Add some more! Athar: “When men destroy their old gods they will find new ones to take their place.” –Pearl S. Buck “Wise was he who invented God.” --Plato Some heathens whose Idol was greatly weatherworn threw it into a river, and erecting a new one, engaged in public worship at its base. "What is this all about?" inquired the New Idol. "Father of Joy and Gore," said the High Priest, "be patient and I will instruct you in the doctrines and rites of our holy religion." A year later, after a course of study in theology, the Idol asked to be thrown into the river, declaring himself an atheist. "Do not let that trouble you," said the High Priest -- "so am I." -- Ambrose Bierce Believers in the Source: “Every man partakes of the divine nature in both his spirit and his flesh. That is why the mystery of Christ is not simply a mystery for a particular creed. It is Universal. The struggle between God and man breaks out in everyone, together with the longing for reconciliation. Most often this struggle is unconscious and shortlived. A weak soul does not have the endurance to resist the flesh for very long. It grows heavy, becomes flesh itself, and the contest ends. But among responsible men, men who keep their eyes riveted day and night upon the Supreme Duty, the conflict between flesh and spirit breaks out mercilessly and may last until death.” –Nikkos Kazantzakis "Why so hard?" the kitchen coal once said to the diamond. "After all, are we not close kin?" --Nietzsche “The greatest deepest defeat suffered by a human being is constituted by the difference between what one was capable of becoming and what one has in fact become.” –Ashley Montagu Bleak Cabal: “I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free.” --inscription on Kazantakis's tomb in Heraklion, Greece “Pandemonium did not reign; it poured.” –John Hendrick Bangs “Hope in reality is the worst of all evils, because it prolongs the torments of man.” --Nietzsche Doomguard: “Just as the constant increase of entropy is the basic law of the universe, so it is the basic law of life to be ever more highly structured and to struggle against entropy.” –Vaclav Havel Dustmen: “He not busy being born is busy dying.” –Bob Dylan “Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives.” –A. Sachs “From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them and that is eternity.” –Edvard Munch Fated: “Nobody can give you freedom, equality or justice or anything. If you’re a man, you take it.” –Malcolm X Fraternity of Order: “Law is order, and good law is good order.” --Aristotle Free League: “I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong.” –Bertrand Russell “I would rather have a mind open by wonder than closed by belief.” –Garry Spence Harmonium: “Justice requires that to lawfully constituted authority there be given that respect and obedience which is its due; that the laws which are made shall be in wise conformity with the common good; and that, as a matter of conscience all men shall render obedience to these laws.” –Pope Pious XI Mercykillers: “Justice is truth in action.” –Benjamin Disralei “The sword of justice has no scabbard.” –Antione “Were it not for injustice, men would not know justice.” --Heraclitus Revolutionary League: “Where you find the laws most numerous, there you will also find the greatest injustices.” –Arcesilaus "Rebels learn the rules better than the rule-makers do. Rebels learn where the holes are, where the rules can best be breached. Become an expert at the rules. Then break them with creativity and style." --Kristine Kathryn Rusch “Just look at us. Everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religions destroy spirituality.” –Michael Ellner (Still scouring The Secret Agent for a good quote) Sign of One: “Imagination is one weapon in the war against reality.” –Jules de Gaultier “In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true either is true or becomes true.” –John Lilly Society of Sensation: "There is no more lively sensation than that of pain; its impressions are certain and dependable, they never deceive as may those of the pleasure women perpetually feign and almost never experience." –Marquis de Sade "The great art of life is sensation, to feel that we exist, even in pain." –Lord Byron Transcendent Order: “It is by acts and not by ideas that people live.” –Anatole France “He does not preach what he practices until he has practiced what he preaches.” --Confucius Xaositects: “You need chaos in your soul to give birth to a dancing star.” –Nietzsche “Sometimes I’ve believed as many as 6 impossible things before breakfast.” –Lewis Carroll |
#2raymond_luxury_yachtDec 14, 2004 15:12:23 | You missed the single most obvious quote by Nietzsche for the Athar. "God is dead." |
#3zombiegleemaxDec 14, 2004 15:51:07 | Though it would make sense, I didn't include it because I didn't want to have any Athar/Godsmen quotes refer to specific deities, even though Kazantzakis does, but the more important point of his quotation is that of the struggle to realize "inner divinity". To my understanding, Neitzsche was making an observation on the state of religious belief rather than commenting on whether or not it has outlived it's usefulness. |
#4sildatorakDec 14, 2004 16:23:13 | This one could easily go with either the Indeps "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin |
#5nedlumDec 14, 2004 17:05:30 | Athar "Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers failed, what does that tell you about God?" -Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club. (I think it's in the book, anyway. Don't have it on me, but most of the quotables of the movie are in the book) Believers in the Source: "What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason! How infinite in faculty! In form and moving how express and admirable! In action how like an angel! In apprehension how like a god! The beauty of the world! The paragon of animals!" -William Shakespeare, Hamlet (Can be finished with, "And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust?" and thereby becomes the statement of Dustman or a Doomguard. Sort of.) Mercykillers "Those who falter, and those who fall, must pay the price." -Andrew Loyd Webber, "Stars", Les Miserables Revolutionary League: "It's only when we have nothing that we're free to do anything." -Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club. Ring Givers "My bible teaches me when I help others, I'm really helping myself." Stephen Schwartz, "Spread a Little Sunshine", Pippin Sign of the One "So you lie to make yourself happy, nothing wrong with that. Everybody does it." Christopher Nolan, Memento |
#6Shemeska_the_MarauderDec 14, 2004 17:43:06 | Doomguard: "Only after disaster can we be ressurected. It's after you've lost everything that you're free to do anything. Nothing is static. Everything is evolving. Everything is falling apart." - Tyler Durden Fight Club |
#7zombiegleemaxDec 14, 2004 19:15:01 | Dustmen: The fear of death is more to be dreaded than death itself. -Publilius Syrus Death is not the worst; rather, in vain To wish for death, and not to compass it. -Sophocles Xaositects: What we imagine is order is merely the prevailing form of chaos. -Kerry Thornley, Principia Discordia, 5th edition Before the beginning of great brilliance, there must be chaos. Before a brilliant person begins something great, they must look foolish in the crowd. -From the I Ching Chaos is the score upon which reality is written. -Henry Miller When dealing with the insane, the best method is to pretend to be sane. -Hermann Hesse Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane. -Philip K. Dick |
#8zombiegleemaxDec 15, 2004 7:23:01 | Chaosmen: 'REDRUM'- the Shining alternatively ' Heere's Johny!'- the Shining Indeps: "Liberty of thought is the life of the soul."- Voltaire Doomguard: "Weapons of mass destruction"- George W. |
#9primemover003Dec 24, 2004 0:09:18 | Hell the entirety of Fight Club is all about the Doomguard. It's practically a recruitment video! I felt like destroying something beautiful-the narrator |
#10zombiegleemaxDec 24, 2004 16:28:53 | Dustmen "Immortality- a fate worse than death" - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary Harmonium "A closed mind is a tidy mind" - Saying of the Emperor, Warhammer 40,000 Mercykillers "No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise." - Rohrschach, Watchmen Doomguard The entirety of "Ozymandias," by Percy Bysshe Shelley The Revolutionary League "I don't think we really gave barbarism a fair try." "If we could just find out who's in charge, we could kill him." both by George Carlin Xaositects "Our only hope is insane leadership." - also by George Carlin. |
#11zombiegleemaxJan 08, 2005 2:57:01 | Oooh, Watchmen is a source of infinitely macabre quotes: "Existence is random. Has no pattern save what we imagine after staring at it for too long. No meaning save what we choose to impose. This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs." "It's us. Only us." --Rorschach, Watchmen (for any hardcore Bleaker or maybe Mercykiller) "Streets stank of fire. The void breathed hard on my heart, turning its illusions to ice, shattering them. Was reborn then, free to scrawl own design on this morally blank world. Was Rorschach." --ibid "Come...dry your eyes, for you are Life, rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of Heisenberg; the clay in which the forces that shape all things leave their fingerprints most clearly." --Jon, Watchmen (for any Godsman) |
#12jesterjeffJan 08, 2005 13:29:04 | The TV series Andromeda is a slightly questionable series, delivering good and bad episodes, but they have this little dramatic flare where each episode is started by a quote white texton a black backdrop attributed to some unknown individual... "Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it; those who fail to learn history correctly -- why, they are simply doomed." Achem Drom'hm "Here's everything I know about war: somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the same again." Admiral Constanza Stark "The heavens burned, the stars cried out, And under the ashes of infinity, Hope, scarred and bleeding, breathed its last." Ulatempa Poetess "Many say living in the Way is difficult. Is sleeping difficult? Is waking?" Serenity Vikram Singh Khalsa "We say atoms are bound by weak attractors. Why not admit the truth: the Universe is held together by love."(( loved this one so much I used it in a wedding toast)) MICHIO VON KERR, Wayist physicist "Humans say Hell is paved with good intentions. Why? Do they think there's a shortage of bad ones?" Karm'Luk P'an Ku "Between birth and death lies desire, Desire for life, for love, for everything good. And this is the source of all suffering." Outcast Consensus 17, Why Existence? "Only those born guilty Recognize Innocence for what it is: The rarest thing in the Universe, And the most Precious." THE ANOINTED, The Finder of The Way "The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy." Drago Museveni "Come bitter Rain, And wash from my Heart That saddest of all Words: Home" Ulatempa Poetess, "Song of My Exile" "The soul is larger than the sky Deeper than the ocean, or the abysmal dark Of the unfathomed center." -- Enoch Vere de Vere, "Lamentations Sous-terre", "Love? Truth? Beauty? I prefer negotiable securities." --Doge Miskich Var Miskich, "All About Me" "We are not the masks we wear. But if we don them, do we not become them?" Keops D'ao Tsumai, "Fortunes" "To a god, a wall is but a line on the page. We are all naked, seen beyond seeing." --Wayfinder Hasturi a.k.a. "The Mad Perseid", "Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Which is a problem. If you're powerless." --Drago Museveni, "Manifesto" "I trust fast poison The stars to wink out And you, my love--and you." --Lyric from "The Void," by Minstrel d'Becevex "You can't outrun Death forever. But you can make the Bastard work for it." --Major Korgo Korgar, "Last of The Lancers" "The true quarry of any great adventurer is the undiscovered territory of their own soul." --Lady Aenea Makros "The Metaphysics of Motion" "To venture in the Fair Unknown, I must enter as I leave: A traveler, alone." Anonymous "Beneath knowing, understanding Beneath understanding, seeing Beneath seeing, recognizing Beneath recognizing, knowing" Keeper of the Way, Vision of Faith "Welcome twilight. Welcome blackness. Welcome inky night. Only in darkness can I see your soul." Lost Verses of Krrendar "The Rabid Dogs of Gallaphron Can be trained to drool At the ring of a bell. Doesn't stop them from biting." Karlos El Greeta-Stirra, "Reflections of Rim-Salt," "The moth wants a star The night wants tomorrow The King wants what's far Outside his sphere of sorrow." "Tales of Queen Kysella," "Walk without footprints. Breathe without breath. Our lives leave no trace." Motto of The Assassins' Guild, "To the question of life after death: Not whether such a thing exists, but...What manner of life?" "A Wayist Practicum" Reverend Bem "She wounds you as a rose will wound you -- Not with her thorn. "A rose will always wound you with her beauty." Harry Martinson "It matters little how we die, so long as we die better men than we imagined we could be -- and no worse than we feared." Drago Museveni "What clings to a wall, But travels all the world?" Unsolvable Riddle of Ski, Patriarch of Jill. "You might say reality is the result of complex negotiations between the observer and the observed. But that is simply a point of view." Michio Von Kerr, "The Apotheosis of Reason," "The universe is bound in equal parts by arrogance and altruism. Any attempt to alter this Would be suicide." Dr. Walter Giles, "The Value of Value," "Are you a monster? Are you a freak? Will you be my friend! Or have you lost your way. With trouble to pay, When you come to your journey's end?" Empyrium Lullaby, "I've always found a fully deployed battle group to be the most effective negotiator." Admiral Constanza Stark, High Guard Chief-of-Staff, "I can no more endure to view; Wondrous sight of so celestial hue." Final diary entry of Capt. Oswald Pierce, Regarding his only love. "The universe is perfect. You cannot improve it. If you try to change it, you will ruin it. If you try to hold it, you will lose it." Notes to Odo Chan "We all wear the twin masks of emotion. Happy or sad, haunted or hunted, You choose the mask, you choose the risk. You choose your own poison." Last words of Plethe the Pirate "Gentlebeings, I bid you welcome. Welcome to the blood, to the sweat, to the tears. Welcome to your places on the wall." Admiral Constanza Stark, "Address to War College Graduates," "Down where it was tangled and dark. Down where the spirits feasted on carrion. Down. Down. Down. It was there, yes, the High-Hatted ones forever screamed 'Eureka.' " Yolin's Narrows of Decline "The tyrant and the rebel hold the same creed: To act is to live." War Heretics of Auden "Beneath the web-thin simulacrum, inundating and fecund, live myth and manifold truths. Not one point of view can embrace them at a glance." Council of One "Destiny is the promise I give to you. Hope, the part you play, is trusting me to keep this promise." The Prophetic Tetraglyphs "Regarding the cerebellum, there is a culture and a presentation. Both hold power and sway. " Cuisine of the Lost Empire "Around, around and underneath, the Trickster flies. Catch him, catch him -- If he doesn't lose you, lose you when he flies! " Perseid Child's Game "Her beauty shimmers with the light of a new star. But she is the other. Touch her, and you will know death. " Poet Templar "Confine that which you fear to the mirror. Start with who is standing there. Then smile." Bogdo Geghen Seer of Agharta "Cast your eye upon the changeling, then look for the origin of change. Perhaps it is in the eye. " Luna, "Catalog of Companions" "...Knock, knock, knock on the devil's door. Do not invite him to dinner; his beasts will come for more." High Priestess Misabo Ahm in Triumvirate War Council "On the plains of Galiolith, Crystalline chimes herald a new beginning For all who wish to hear them." Ghillie Clethrad, Flumerian Hymns "What is fate? Why do you ask? The answer lies in the composing of Light and Influence. Nothing will fall to you early or late." Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine "Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him." Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine "What is faith then but persistent hope in the fact of relentless doubt." Brother Carmen Jane A Case For Consciousness "Official secrets keep good lies turning in every mouth." High Senator Bonn Fifteenth Congress of Tal "In the absence of doubt, there is no change." The Memories Not sure who wrote these but I consider them some of the finest modern statements of thought. it barely needs any edit to fit planescape's altruistic philosophical bent. |
#13zombiegleemaxJan 20, 2005 9:56:55 | "The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia (harmonium), jailers, constables (Mercykillers), posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever the judgement or of the moral sense,; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured (golems?) that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs (Aoskian Hounds, Mercykillers). Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others - as most legislators (Factols), politicians (Factors), lawyers (Guvners), ministers (Preists of temples within Sigil), and officeholders (Guilds, Bordon Mok, etc.) - serve the state cheifly with their heads; as they rarely make any moral decisions (belief is more important than good), they are as likely to serve the Devil (fiends, evil-aligned planes and Powers), without intending it, as God (good-aligned planes and Powers). A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their conciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it (ANARCHISTS)." -Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobediance Creepy, eh? -JordarAd, Manuel of the Planes |
#14old_sageJan 23, 2005 2:46:21 | [...] Your Heinlein quote would be a basic start for underlining some of the key points of the Sensate philosophy. |
#15zombiegleemaxJan 26, 2005 2:22:25 | Ciphers "I claim not to have controlled events but confess plainly that events have controlled me." - Abraham Lincoln "A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - George S. Patton |
#16zombiegleemaxFeb 10, 2005 11:08:32 | Athar: A doubter might come closer to God than all the churchgoers. -Anonymous. Belivers of the Source: Be all you can be. -U.S. Army recruiting slogan Bleak Cabal: Did you think I'd crumble Did you think I'd lay down and die Oh no, not I I will survive Oh as long as I know how to love I know I will stay alive I've got all my life to live I've got all my love to give and I'll survive I will survive It took all the strength I had not to fall apart kept trying hard to mend the pieces of my broken heart and I spent oh so many nights just feeling sorry for myself I used to cry But now I hold my head up high and you see me somebody new. -Gloria Gaynor "I will survive" Doomguard: Q: Who governs the governors? A: Entropy. -Frank Herbert Dustmen: While I thought I was learning how to live, I have learned how to die. -Leonardo da Vinci Fated: Why should I care about posterity? What's posterity ever done for me? -Groucho Marx Fraternity of Order: Knowledge is power. -Francis Bacon Free League: Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him? -Obi Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars" (Episode IV) Harmonium: Let him who desires peace, prepare for war. -Vegetius "Epitoma Rei Militaris" Mercykillers: Never pray for justice, because you might get some. -Margaret Atwood Revolutionary League: I reverse the phrase of Voltaire, and say that if God would have existed, it would be necessary to abolish Him. -Mikhail Bakunin "On God and the State" Sign of One: All men who have achieved great things have been great dreamers. -Orison Swett Marden Society of Sensation: What one has not experienced, one will never understand in print. -Isadora Duncan Transcendent Order: Success is blocked by concentrating on it and planning for it. -Tennessee Williams Xaositects: There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line. -Oscar Levant |
#17voldenuitFeb 13, 2005 9:57:15 | "There is no place on earth where death cannot find us - even if we constantly twist our heads about in all directions as in a dubious and suspect land ...if there were any way of sheltering from death's blows - I am not the man to recoil from it ... but it madness to think that you can succeed... Men come and the go and they trot and they dance, and never a word about death. All well and good. Yet when death does come - to them, to their wives, their children, their friends - catching them unawares and unprepared, then what storms of passion overwhelm them, what cries, what fury, what despair! To begin depriving death of its greatest advantage over us, let us adopt a way clean contrary to that common one; let us deprive death of its strangeness. Let us frequent it, let us get used to it; let us have nothing more often in mind than death ... We do not know where death awaits us, so let us wait for it everywhere. To practice death is to practice freedom. A man who has learned how to die has unlearned how to be a slave." - Michel de Montaigne Patrul Rinpoche was a great master whose life was full of eccentric episodes that would bring the teaching [of Buddhism] to life. Instead of celebrating New Year's day and wishing people "a Happy New Year" like everyone else, Patrul Rinpoche used to weep. When asked why, he said that another year had gone by, and so many people had come one year closer to death, still unprepared. - Sogyal Rinpoche Both the above quotations were lifted from Sogyal Rinpoche's "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying". Of course, there are heavy influences from Buddhist teachings in the philosophies of the Dustmen, the Transcendent Order, the Athar and the Believers of the Source. |
#18voldenuitFeb 14, 2005 0:25:30 | Here's another one from the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying that would suit The Transcendent Order: "If the mind is not contrived, it is spontaneously blissful, just as water, when not agitated, is by nature transparent and clear" Here's another good one: "When people begin to meditate, they often say that their thoughts are running riot, and have become wilder than ever before. But I reassure them and tell them that this is a good sign. Far from meaning that your thoughts have become wilder, it shows that you have become quieter, and you are finally aware of just how noisy your thoughts have always been." - Sogyal Rinpoche lastly, "...there is a gap between each thought. When the past thought is past, and the future thought not yet arisen, you will always find a gap in which the Rigpa, the nature of mind, is revealed." - Sogyal Rinpoche EDIT: And next, a quote from the RPG Nobilis that would be appropriate to Planescape as a whole: " A bird flies in through the cage door; and when it sought to return, it found the cage door closed." "If the bird was a god, then what would be its cage?" - Nobilis, by S.R. Borgstrom |
#19zombiegleemaxFeb 15, 2005 23:46:19 | For the Godsmen as well as the Fated: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." --Robert Heinlein Also for the Fated and Godsmen, the entirety of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Stranger in a Strange Land, respectively. |
#20zombiegleemaxFeb 17, 2005 7:54:18 | The Fated: "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed in all of its forms – greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind." - Wall Street |
#21ohtar_turinsonFeb 17, 2005 11:18:29 | For the Guvners: Scientia Ipsa Potestas Est (Knowledge itself is power) |
#22jesterjeffFeb 17, 2005 20:16:15 | "The following statement is false: The previous statement is true. Welcome to our corner of the universe." Xaositects |
#23dungeonmogriiFeb 18, 2005 4:01:49 | One for the Dustmen: "That is not dead which can eternal lie, and in strange eons even death may die" -H.P. Lovecraft Come to think of it, it was on one Planescape module...maybe Dead Gods.... And look at my sig!!!! Perfect Signer....it's from Neil Gaiman's Sandman |
#24ripvanwormerFeb 19, 2005 18:39:57 | Signers: "This is a universe of boundless space, howlie. Matter and energy are rare and small. For us in this vast emptiness, even dreams are real." - A.A. Anastasio, Radix. "Man's path, through matter's warfields, led/ to this dream-realm that waits ahead. Where we may lift our gaze and see, Overhead, the soul's infinity." - Alan Moore, Promethea The Believers of the Source: 'What is a human being, then?' 'A seed.' 'A... seed?' 'An acorn that is unafraid to destroy itself in growing into a tree' - David Zindell, The Broken God "Biotechnology allows us to evolve in the directions in which we wish to be evolved: taller, stronger, healthier, higher IQ, more beautiful. We imagine this will be the future humanity. Absurd. If a tribe of Australopithecus had set down to design the next evolutionary breakthrough, they would have planned something that could run faster, see further, smell better, have sharper nails to grub out insects and roots. They would not have planned talking, thinking, toolmaking H. sapiens." - Ian McDonald, Evolution's Shore. The Athar: "No, me love. Killing a god cannot make you one. It can only set you free." - Joseph Rheaume, Pirate Jesus |
#25factol_rhys_dupFeb 22, 2005 9:41:03 | One for the Dustmen: It was in Dead Gods, with the caption of something like "Some Prime, proving that they're not all Clueless." |