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Who Were the Nations of the 3rd Dragon War?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Dec 17, 2004 3:42:18 I'm planning a campaign set in the 3rd Dragon War, and I was wondering which nations were a major part of that conflict? Who served Takhisis? Who were the Solamnics' allies? Who did Istar side with? I've made the same post a few months ago, but it's since vanished. Now I actually have the campaign setting and a notebook specifically for this. So start throwing info my way again! Please!
Thank you.
#2
Dragonhelm
Dec 17, 2004 6:58:00 There's not really a lot known of the time. We know Solamnia was a big nation, due to the events of Legend of Huma. Ergoth was also fairly prominent, although the emperor of ergoth wasn't wanting to get into the war, IIRC.

I want to say the elves were being isolationists, and I don't recall if Istar was even founded at the time.

Really, the most detail from this era comes from The Legend of Huma.
#3
daedavias_dup
Dec 17, 2004 9:47:00
There's not really a lot known of the time. We know Solamnia was a big nation, due to the events of Legend of Huma. Ergoth was also fairly prominent, although the emperor of ergoth wasn't wanting to get into the war, IIRC.

I want to say the elves were being isolationists, and I don't recall if Istar was even founded at the time.

Really, the most detail from this era comes from The Legend of Huma.

Istar was founded, but it was a piddly little city at that point, if I remember right. The Kingpriests were not in power yet either. Towers of High Sorcery has some of the information on this.

What I want to know is how did Sunderer (Hammer of Kharas) end up in the hands of the humans, when it was originally possessed by the elves. This leads me to believe that the elves may have had some involvement in the war, though probably not a lot.
#4
zombiegleemax
Dec 17, 2004 18:42:16
What I want to know is how did Sunderer (Hammer of Kharas) end up in the hands of the humans, when it was originally possessed by the elves. This leads me to believe that the elves may have had some involvement in the war, though probably not a lot.

Wasn't the hammer passed between the elves, humans, and dwarves in remeberance of the signing of the Swordsheath Scroll. Most likely I'm way off base here, but I could have sworn something was passed around.
#5
zombiegleemax
Dec 18, 2004 1:16:09 K, but who was allied with Takhisis tho? I'm betting there were some human nations, altho I'm sure her Knights of Takhisis weren't around yet.
#6
zombiegleemax
Dec 18, 2004 3:16:23 I have done a campaign set in a time like this, however I have done so on a timeline unique to myself. While I based the timeline back in the early 1990's, when I first read Dragonlance and they have since been "overridden" (well, not relaly, as I think my timeline rocks over the ones that they have been pushing on us).

Anyway, it essentially

*** places the 3rd DragonWar's as having happened about 2000 years before the Cataclysm (as opposed to 1200 years like the newer editions say)
*** The Knights of Solamnia were founded about 2400 years before the Cataclysm (as opposed to about 1900 years PC)
*** The Second Dragon War took place about 2800 years before the Cataclysm
***The KinSlayer War's took place about 2100 years before the Cataclysm (essentially, was done to sap the strength of Ergoth and Silvanesti and Thorbardin, ensuring they would not be able to aid Solamnia against the Queen of Darkness)
***Istar would be a City/State, much like Tarsis would be. I did it where there is already a Kingpriest, and back in these day's, would be pure in their beliefs.

There is some more to it, it is in the end a story line of my own and does not conform with official sources, but I enjoy it anyway, have done several good campaigns with it.
#7
zombiegleemax
Dec 20, 2004 5:30:25 I agree. Summer Flame turned me off DL for a few years, until I picked up War of Souls and decided to give DL another try. So far, I'm pleasantly surprised. Your timeline sounds pretty interesting, however, I am looking for a more official source. Anybody??
#8
zombiegleemax
Dec 20, 2004 6:36:51 Here's some ideas:
First we should basicly collect which countries exist during this age?
Solamnia, Kharolis?, Tarsis (is it city-state?), Ergoth, Thorbardin, Thoradin (Zhakar), Mount Nevermind (gnomes), Qualinesti, Silvanesti, Balifor (kender, maybe some humans), Blöde? (there definitely is some Ogre-land), Istar (minor nation), Is Karthay a country?, Minotaur country in east. And what about Daltigoth? Is it in another country or part of Ergoth Empire?

Solamnia is probably VERY lone is this war. But I'm sure Takhisis armies fought also against elves and dwarves. That they may not be mentioned, but because they were trapped in their lands fighting for their lives...

What I have gathered in Huma's story it seems that most of Takhisis armies were Ogres. Then there huge number of goblinoids and Lizard-men (bakali). But some humans also. Maybe there was evil human nation in the lands that now are Estwilde, maybe they were just barbarians from those lands... But probably Takhisis forces were mostly just beast like Ogres.
#9
zombiegleemax
Dec 21, 2004 4:11:28 this is quite helpful. got it written down. can anyone else add to this?
#10
morgion-s_claw
Dec 21, 2004 7:33:14 IIRC, most of the war, Solamnia stayed alone. Ergoth was involved to a far lesser degree on the same side (let's sya friendly neutrality toward Solamnia). What we know is that Solamnia stretches officially from north down to the plains of Kharolis (the latter plains of dust) - that is if those territories were part of the ergothian empire and not merely depending kingdoms of their own pledging loyality to Ergoth. Tarsis should already be a city state in quite a splendor. Daltigoth is still the capital of the Empire of Ergoth and not a separate nation. The area around the post-cataclysmic Northern Ergoth were closer to the war than the rest and therefore kind of supporting as well as the kender nation Hylo (I think it was already founded). Lemish was a part of Solamnia even if it seemed to be somewhat autonomous. The Elves weren't directly targeted so they stayed back in the war, perhaps the Qualinestis kind of supported Solamnia due to the swordsheath scroll as well as some dwarves from Thorbardin. Can't say if the founding of Kaolyn in Solamnia wasn't due to the help of Thorbardin in this dragon war as kind of gratification. The armies of Takhisis spared the east, so Istar - along with the other city states there - and Karthay were spared. They seem to have been neutral all the time, doing commerce with anyone willing to pay (i.e. some minotaur slaves for the armies). The Nerakans - though no nation or unified/ordered kingdom - were along the takhisian armies and some estwildians as well. But the backbone were the non-human armies. The Bakali owe their near-extinction to their loyal service in Tak's armies. The sweep of Takhisis would be probably somewhat like the later blue wing sweep in the WotL into Solamnia. Pouring out of the Khalkists into Lemish, Solamnia and the like.
Ummm, yep, can't remember more. I thought I read those infos in LoH and between the lines of the DLA, TotL, DKoK, Atlas, the Dragons....

regards,
M's Claw
#11
zombiegleemax
Dec 21, 2004 22:05:31 M's Claw and everyone else, you've been incredibly helpful and I have the basis of a campaign forming now thanks to one and all. If anyone has anything else, please throw it my way.
Thanks again.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Dec 17, 2004 3:42:18	I'm planning a campaign set in the 3rd Dragon War, and I was wondering which nations were a major part of that conflict? Who served Takhisis? Who were the Solamnics' allies? Who did Istar side with? I've made the same post a few months ago, but it's since vanished. Now I actually have the campaign setting and a notebook specifically for this. So start throwing info my way again! Please! Thank you.
#2 Dragonhelm Dec 17, 2004 6:58:00	There's not really a lot known of the time. We know Solamnia was a big nation, due to the events of Legend of Huma. Ergoth was also fairly prominent, although the emperor of ergoth wasn't wanting to get into the war, IIRC. I want to say the elves were being isolationists, and I don't recall if Istar was even founded at the time. Really, the most detail from this era comes from The Legend of Huma.
#3 daedavias_dup Dec 17, 2004 9:47:00	There's not really a lot known of the time. We know Solamnia was a big nation, due to the events of Legend of Huma. Ergoth was also fairly prominent, although the emperor of ergoth wasn't wanting to get into the war, IIRC. I want to say the elves were being isolationists, and I don't recall if Istar was even founded at the time. Really, the most detail from this era comes from The Legend of Huma. Istar was founded, but it was a piddly little city at that point, if I remember right. The Kingpriests were not in power yet either. Towers of High Sorcery has some of the information on this. What I want to know is how did Sunderer (Hammer of Kharas) end up in the hands of the humans, when it was originally possessed by the elves. This leads me to believe that the elves may have had some involvement in the war, though probably not a lot.
#4 zombiegleemax Dec 17, 2004 18:42:16	What I want to know is how did Sunderer (Hammer of Kharas) end up in the hands of the humans, when it was originally possessed by the elves. This leads me to believe that the elves may have had some involvement in the war, though probably not a lot. Wasn't the hammer passed between the elves, humans, and dwarves in remeberance of the signing of the Swordsheath Scroll. Most likely I'm way off base here, but I could have sworn something was passed around.
#5 zombiegleemax Dec 18, 2004 1:16:09	K, but who was allied with Takhisis tho? I'm betting there were some human nations, altho I'm sure her Knights of Takhisis weren't around yet.
#6 zombiegleemax Dec 18, 2004 3:16:23	I have done a campaign set in a time like this, however I have done so on a timeline unique to myself. While I based the timeline back in the early 1990's, when I first read Dragonlance and they have since been "overridden" (well, not relaly, as I think my timeline rocks over the ones that they have been pushing on us). Anyway, it essentially * places the 3rd DragonWar's as having happened about 2000 years before the Cataclysm (as opposed to 1200 years like the newer editions say) * The Knights of Solamnia were founded about 2400 years before the Cataclysm (as opposed to about 1900 years PC) * The Second Dragon War took place about 2800 years before the Cataclysm The KinSlayer War's took place about 2100 years before the Cataclysm (essentially, was done to sap the strength of Ergoth and Silvanesti and Thorbardin, ensuring they would not be able to aid Solamnia against the Queen of Darkness) **Istar would be a City/State, much like Tarsis would be. I did it where there is already a Kingpriest, and back in these day's, would be pure in their beliefs. There is some more to it, it is in the end a story line of my own and does not conform with official sources, but I enjoy it anyway, have done several good campaigns with it.
#7 zombiegleemax Dec 20, 2004 5:30:25	I agree. Summer Flame turned me off DL for a few years, until I picked up War of Souls and decided to give DL another try. So far, I'm pleasantly surprised. Your timeline sounds pretty interesting, however, I am looking for a more official source. Anybody??
#8 zombiegleemax Dec 20, 2004 6:36:51	Here's some ideas: First we should basicly collect which countries exist during this age? Solamnia, Kharolis?, Tarsis (is it city-state?), Ergoth, Thorbardin, Thoradin (Zhakar), Mount Nevermind (gnomes), Qualinesti, Silvanesti, Balifor (kender, maybe some humans), Blöde? (there definitely is some Ogre-land), Istar (minor nation), Is Karthay a country?, Minotaur country in east. And what about Daltigoth? Is it in another country or part of Ergoth Empire? Solamnia is probably VERY lone is this war. But I'm sure Takhisis armies fought also against elves and dwarves. That they may not be mentioned, but because they were trapped in their lands fighting for their lives... What I have gathered in Huma's story it seems that most of Takhisis armies were Ogres. Then there huge number of goblinoids and Lizard-men (bakali). But some humans also. Maybe there was evil human nation in the lands that now are Estwilde, maybe they were just barbarians from those lands... But probably Takhisis forces were mostly just beast like Ogres.
#9 zombiegleemax Dec 21, 2004 4:11:28	this is quite helpful. got it written down. can anyone else add to this?
#10 morgion-s_claw Dec 21, 2004 7:33:14	IIRC, most of the war, Solamnia stayed alone. Ergoth was involved to a far lesser degree on the same side (let's sya friendly neutrality toward Solamnia). What we know is that Solamnia stretches officially from north down to the plains of Kharolis (the latter plains of dust) - that is if those territories were part of the ergothian empire and not merely depending kingdoms of their own pledging loyality to Ergoth. Tarsis should already be a city state in quite a splendor. Daltigoth is still the capital of the Empire of Ergoth and not a separate nation. The area around the post-cataclysmic Northern Ergoth were closer to the war than the rest and therefore kind of supporting as well as the kender nation Hylo (I think it was already founded). Lemish was a part of Solamnia even if it seemed to be somewhat autonomous. The Elves weren't directly targeted so they stayed back in the war, perhaps the Qualinestis kind of supported Solamnia due to the swordsheath scroll as well as some dwarves from Thorbardin. Can't say if the founding of Kaolyn in Solamnia wasn't due to the help of Thorbardin in this dragon war as kind of gratification. The armies of Takhisis spared the east, so Istar - along with the other city states there - and Karthay were spared. They seem to have been neutral all the time, doing commerce with anyone willing to pay (i.e. some minotaur slaves for the armies). The Nerakans - though no nation or unified/ordered kingdom - were along the takhisian armies and some estwildians as well. But the backbone were the non-human armies. The Bakali owe their near-extinction to their loyal service in Tak's armies. The sweep of Takhisis would be probably somewhat like the later blue wing sweep in the WotL into Solamnia. Pouring out of the Khalkists into Lemish, Solamnia and the like. Ummm, yep, can't remember more. I thought I read those infos in LoH and between the lines of the DLA, TotL, DKoK, Atlas, the Dragons.... regards, M's Claw
#11 zombiegleemax Dec 21, 2004 22:05:31	M's Claw and everyone else, you've been incredibly helpful and I have the basis of a campaign forming now thanks to one and all. If anyone has anything else, please throw it my way. Thanks again.