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#1
dragontooth
Jan 13, 2005 0:25:59 I know this probably has been asked before, and I'm a bone head for not knowing.

But do Druids, Rangers, and Paladins get Medallion's of Faith?

2nd Questions. Can you magically enhance your Medallion of Faith? IE give it the properties of like an Amulet of Natural armor, or Periapt of Wisdom?

3rd Does the Medallion take up the Necklace magic item slot?
#2
cam_banks
Jan 13, 2005 6:32:23
But do Druids, Rangers, and Paladins get Medallion's of Faith?

Rangers and druids don't. They'd have one if they multiclassed as cleric, though. Paladins are another story - I could imagine they'd have to have one before they could cast spells or turn undead, which means 3rd level or lower paladins wouldn't but paladins of 4th level and higher would. It might be simplest to just assume that they do. They're rare enough in a Dragonlance campaign that it's not been mentioned in the sourcebooks at this time. Holy Orders of the Stars should cover it.

2nd Questions. Can you magically enhance your Medallion of Faith? IE give it the properties of like an Amulet of Natural armor, or Periapt of Wisdom?

You can't, but it's possible that medallions of faith with additional powers and abilities do exist. They'd be creations of the gods, though, not somebody with item creation feats.

3rd Does the Medallion take up the Necklace magic item slot?

Fair question. I would say that it does, although I can't recall right now if I've ever written up a cleric that's got something else in that location, and I don't actually know if the cleric has to be wearing it for it to help him cast 3rd level spells etc.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
zombiegleemax
Jan 13, 2005 10:45:04 About druids, rangers and paladins medalions: i would say that they need the medalion. All faith in krynn seems to pass through the same rituals for every god. Habakuk allow spells for his clerics that has the medalions, but he does not when the guy is a ranger? I dont know, seems fair to me that all of them uses it.

About the slot question, i dont think its fair that it uses a necklace slot. I know this is a fair question indeed, Cam, but i would say that in my campaigns they wont use the slot. Just seems fair to me this way...

k, thats all...

Burger
#4
ferratus
Jan 13, 2005 10:59:08
You can't, but it's possible that medallions of faith with additional powers and abilities do exist. They'd be creations of the gods, though, not somebody with item creation feats.

Clerical magical items are always creations of the gods. You spend gold on the appropriate offerings, leave it in a shrine overnight. Then you get new powers for your item.

I don't see why Medallions of Faith would be any different, or why a cleric with the XP and gold to burn can't channel their gods blessing to stack abilities onto their medallion of faith.

Of course, nobody pays for a medallion of faith originally, given that they are free. Why take it out of your starting gold if you can simply walk up to a cleric of good and take a duplicate of his? ;)
#5
zombiegleemax
Jan 13, 2005 12:38:30 I dont see any reason why a non-cleric divine spellcaster wouldnt have a medallion of faith. It would seem to make sense since it is their divine focus. I have one question though regarding this. Knights of the Rose worship Paladine and KOS get their powers from Kiri-Jolith, but Rose knights still have spells, who do they worship (Pre War of Souls) to get their spells?
#6
cam_banks
Jan 13, 2005 12:44:05
I dont see any reason why a non-cleric divine spellcaster wouldnt have a medallion of faith. It would seem to make sense since it is their divine focus. I have one question though regarding this. Knights of the Rose worship Paladine and KOS get their powers from Kiri-Jolith, but Rose knights still have spells, who do they worship (Pre War of Souls) to get their spells?

Paladine, one assumes. This of course means they'd switch their patron deity to Paladine and be clerics of Paladine, not Kiri-Jolith. This issue is one of the reasons for the variant Solamnic knight option in the War of the Lance book.

Rose knights didn't cast spells until SAGA, technically. There's a few ways around it in 2nd edition but in 1st edition you shouldn't have advanced far enough in Sword knight to get spells before you switch.

Cheers,
Cam
#7
zombiegleemax
Jan 13, 2005 12:47:17 So they would get a new medallion of faith? Would there be a variant way of changing faiths for a Knight of the Rose who does this then?
#8
zombiegleemax
Jan 13, 2005 12:53:00 OOPS, forgot to ask this question, and I am not sure if it fits here or not. Why were Rose Knights given the ability to cast spells in the SAGA system and never in the 1st-2nd edition of the game? How is this explained?
#9
cam_banks
Jan 13, 2005 13:20:29
OOPS, forgot to ask this question, and I am not sure if it fits here or not. Why were Rose Knights given the ability to cast spells in the SAGA system and never in the 1st-2nd edition of the game? How is this explained?

Rose Knights (and Sword Knights) switched to mysticism in the early Age of Mortals, and I assume that as their dedication and personal integrity or self-assurance increased with rank, their ability to properly channel and focus their faith to tap into mysticism also increased.

At least, that's one way of looking at it.

Cheers,
Cam
#10
dragontooth
Jan 13, 2005 13:31:38 My personal opinions about Knights of the Rose is that even though it was created by Paladine. You don't have to be a cleric of Paladine to recieve the benefits of it. You could be a cleric of Kiri, or Habbakuk as well.
#11
zombiegleemax
Jan 13, 2005 14:32:57
Rose Knights (and Sword Knights) switched to mysticism in the early Age of Mortals, and I assume that as their dedication and personal integrity or self-assurance increased with rank, their ability to properly channel and focus their faith to tap into mysticism also increased.

At least, that's one way of looking at it.

Cheers,
Cam

Thanks for that break down Cam. So then could a Rose knight be a cleric of Habbakuk or Kiri-Jolith or even a mystic?
#12
cam_banks
Jan 13, 2005 14:46:58
Thanks for that break down Cam. So then could a Rose knight be a cleric of Habbakuk or Kiri-Jolith or even a mystic?

Mystic, definitely. Many of them were, before the return of the Gods. Linsha is, for example. On the other hand, now that the Gods are back the number of mystics in the Solamnic Orders has lessened.

I really don't know about faith in other gods for Rose Knights. It would be something you'd have to determine for your own campaign. Officially, I think Kiri-Jolith is the standard for post-War of Souls campaigns for all knights. Habbakuk doesn't have as much direct input, he's more honorific.

Cheers,
Cam
#13
zombiegleemax
Jan 13, 2005 16:08:54 Perhaps this will be addressed in the book about the Knights being released in March? Or the sourcebook planned on the knights?

Has Habbakuk always been more of an honorific god to the Knights? Maybe Solinari might come to be honored by them or Mishakel?
#14
dragontooth
Jan 13, 2005 16:33:28
Has Habbakuk always been more of an honorific god to the Knights? Maybe Solinari might come to be honored by them or Mishakel?

I seriously doupt that Solinari will ever be honored by the Knights, and Mishakal has always been honored by the Knights.
#15
zombiegleemax
Jan 13, 2005 16:48:22 Perhaps I was not clear in my previous statement in regards to the goddess of healing. Perhaps her clerics might become knights and visa-versa.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 dragontooth Jan 13, 2005 0:25:59	I know this probably has been asked before, and I'm a bone head for not knowing. But do Druids, Rangers, and Paladins get Medallion's of Faith? 2nd Questions. Can you magically enhance your Medallion of Faith? IE give it the properties of like an Amulet of Natural armor, or Periapt of Wisdom? 3rd Does the Medallion take up the Necklace magic item slot?
#2 cam_banks Jan 13, 2005 6:32:23	But do Druids, Rangers, and Paladins get Medallion's of Faith? Rangers and druids don't. They'd have one if they multiclassed as cleric, though. Paladins are another story - I could imagine they'd have to have one before they could cast spells or turn undead, which means 3rd level or lower paladins wouldn't but paladins of 4th level and higher would. It might be simplest to just assume that they do. They're rare enough in a Dragonlance campaign that it's not been mentioned in the sourcebooks at this time. Holy Orders of the Stars should cover it. 2nd Questions. Can you magically enhance your Medallion of Faith? IE give it the properties of like an Amulet of Natural armor, or Periapt of Wisdom? You can't, but it's possible that medallions of faith with additional powers and abilities do exist. They'd be creations of the gods, though, not somebody with item creation feats. 3rd Does the Medallion take up the Necklace magic item slot? Fair question. I would say that it does, although I can't recall right now if I've ever written up a cleric that's got something else in that location, and I don't actually know if the cleric has to be wearing it for it to help him cast 3rd level spells etc. Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Jan 13, 2005 10:45:04	About druids, rangers and paladins medalions: i would say that they need the medalion. All faith in krynn seems to pass through the same rituals for every god. Habakuk allow spells for his clerics that has the medalions, but he does not when the guy is a ranger? I dont know, seems fair to me that all of them uses it. About the slot question, i dont think its fair that it uses a necklace slot. I know this is a fair question indeed, Cam, but i would say that in my campaigns they wont use the slot. Just seems fair to me this way... k, thats all... Burger
#4 ferratus Jan 13, 2005 10:59:08	You can't, but it's possible that medallions of faith with additional powers and abilities do exist. They'd be creations of the gods, though, not somebody with item creation feats. Clerical magical items are always creations of the gods. You spend gold on the appropriate offerings, leave it in a shrine overnight. Then you get new powers for your item. I don't see why Medallions of Faith would be any different, or why a cleric with the XP and gold to burn can't channel their gods blessing to stack abilities onto their medallion of faith. Of course, nobody pays for a medallion of faith originally, given that they are free. Why take it out of your starting gold if you can simply walk up to a cleric of good and take a duplicate of his? ;)
#5 zombiegleemax Jan 13, 2005 12:38:30	I dont see any reason why a non-cleric divine spellcaster wouldnt have a medallion of faith. It would seem to make sense since it is their divine focus. I have one question though regarding this. Knights of the Rose worship Paladine and KOS get their powers from Kiri-Jolith, but Rose knights still have spells, who do they worship (Pre War of Souls) to get their spells?
#6 cam_banks Jan 13, 2005 12:44:05	I dont see any reason why a non-cleric divine spellcaster wouldnt have a medallion of faith. It would seem to make sense since it is their divine focus. I have one question though regarding this. Knights of the Rose worship Paladine and KOS get their powers from Kiri-Jolith, but Rose knights still have spells, who do they worship (Pre War of Souls) to get their spells? Paladine, one assumes. This of course means they'd switch their patron deity to Paladine and be clerics of Paladine, not Kiri-Jolith. This issue is one of the reasons for the variant Solamnic knight option in the War of the Lance book. Rose knights didn't cast spells until SAGA, technically. There's a few ways around it in 2nd edition but in 1st edition you shouldn't have advanced far enough in Sword knight to get spells before you switch. Cheers, Cam
#7 zombiegleemax Jan 13, 2005 12:47:17	So they would get a new medallion of faith? Would there be a variant way of changing faiths for a Knight of the Rose who does this then?
#8 zombiegleemax Jan 13, 2005 12:53:00	OOPS, forgot to ask this question, and I am not sure if it fits here or not. Why were Rose Knights given the ability to cast spells in the SAGA system and never in the 1st-2nd edition of the game? How is this explained?
#9 cam_banks Jan 13, 2005 13:20:29	OOPS, forgot to ask this question, and I am not sure if it fits here or not. Why were Rose Knights given the ability to cast spells in the SAGA system and never in the 1st-2nd edition of the game? How is this explained? Rose Knights (and Sword Knights) switched to mysticism in the early Age of Mortals, and I assume that as their dedication and personal integrity or self-assurance increased with rank, their ability to properly channel and focus their faith to tap into mysticism also increased. At least, that's one way of looking at it. Cheers, Cam
#10 dragontooth Jan 13, 2005 13:31:38	My personal opinions about Knights of the Rose is that even though it was created by Paladine. You don't have to be a cleric of Paladine to recieve the benefits of it. You could be a cleric of Kiri, or Habbakuk as well.
#11 zombiegleemax Jan 13, 2005 14:32:57	Rose Knights (and Sword Knights) switched to mysticism in the early Age of Mortals, and I assume that as their dedication and personal integrity or self-assurance increased with rank, their ability to properly channel and focus their faith to tap into mysticism also increased. At least, that's one way of looking at it. Cheers, Cam Thanks for that break down Cam. So then could a Rose knight be a cleric of Habbakuk or Kiri-Jolith or even a mystic?
#12 cam_banks Jan 13, 2005 14:46:58	Thanks for that break down Cam. So then could a Rose knight be a cleric of Habbakuk or Kiri-Jolith or even a mystic? Mystic, definitely. Many of them were, before the return of the Gods. Linsha is, for example. On the other hand, now that the Gods are back the number of mystics in the Solamnic Orders has lessened. I really don't know about faith in other gods for Rose Knights. It would be something you'd have to determine for your own campaign. Officially, I think Kiri-Jolith is the standard for post-War of Souls campaigns for all knights. Habbakuk doesn't have as much direct input, he's more honorific. Cheers, Cam
#13 zombiegleemax Jan 13, 2005 16:08:54	Perhaps this will be addressed in the book about the Knights being released in March? Or the sourcebook planned on the knights? Has Habbakuk always been more of an honorific god to the Knights? Maybe Solinari might come to be honored by them or Mishakel?
#14 dragontooth Jan 13, 2005 16:33:28	Has Habbakuk always been more of an honorific god to the Knights? Maybe Solinari might come to be honored by them or Mishakel? I seriously doupt that Solinari will ever be honored by the Knights, and Mishakal has always been honored by the Knights.
#15 zombiegleemax Jan 13, 2005 16:48:22	Perhaps I was not clear in my previous statement in regards to the goddess of healing. Perhaps her clerics might become knights and visa-versa.