For a long time, there have been numerous threads on different boards about hoe awful we all find it that no more new Greyhawk material is published, while the material of Living Greyhawk is reserved to a small group of RPGA members only. *And don't forget our Chainmail and Planescape buddies out there, that also deal with Oerth and the Flanaess*
Main points of WotC to cancel the Greyhawk line were, according to the company's statements, the lack of interest in their related products and the small number of players and enthusiasts Greyhawk had compared to other settings.
Now, in this thread, I don't want to discuss the pros and cons of the current estate WoG is in, with the LG campaign running etc. BUT I want to ask every player, dungeon master or rpg enthusiast for Greyhawk who's presently browsing on these boards, to post here and tell us what was the last Greyhawk - related thing he/she did, when he/she played a Greyhawk adventure the last time and if he or she is going to do so in the future!
Maybe the line may never be relaunched, maybe the only thing we'll ever get will be short references in *generic* rulebooks, but maybe we can show the officials that we're still out there!
Maybe it will never be as it was, but there's still a bunch of gamers that enjoys one of the greatest rpg settings ever created!
Rafael
The last time I saw the Flanaess in a game was about one year ago, when I dungeonmastered a short campaign in Verbobonc, which had to with a gnomish conspiracy.
Currently, I am without an ongoing Greyhawk campaign, as my newest heroic fantasy campaign is set on Erde. Besides, I visit these boards and work on a *long campaign* that will be set in the Griff Mountains. *Not to mention that I play the video game adaption of ToeE from time to time and enjoy the NWN mod for Restenford*
This year, my Greyhawk gaming group is going to restart, supposedly with new characters, and will explore some part of the Aerdy East.
EDIT:
Started preparing a campaign involving the Verbobonc region again, especially some *kinda evil temple* next to the small village of Hommlet... :D
My latest GH campaign has been going on for about 3 years. They started in war-torn Nyrond in the spring 585 CY. They have just reached spring 587 CY. In those 2 years (in-game), they:
- helped restore a small baron (of Mistmoor.. for those who remember the old Dungeon #35)
- destroyed a doppleganger plant (Dungeon #38)
- saved a village from a naga-would-be-god (N1)
- visited a lost city on another world (Dungeon #31) where they got their first hint of the "illithid menace"
- sided with Lynwerd during a coup that placed him on the throne of Nyrond (in what has since become known as the "Green Spring of 586 CY")
- fought the forces of Senward when the latter rose against his brother (which led to the rebellion of two provinces)
- fought the Pale (when the latter tried to annex the north of Nyrond)
- went deep into the Gnatmarsh to defeat the Lizard King (I2)
Currently, the group's average level is 11 and they have just begun researching Thiondar's Legacy (from Dungeon #30)
I have been playing in GH for some 22 years now and plan on doing it for at least 22 more ;)
3.5 is purely homebrew campaign based on Ivid the Undying while 1st ed. uses older modules (just finished Slavelords).
I've also written regional modules for LG and i'm currently working on a detailed regional gazetteer and if I ever start my own homegame, I plan to use these as starting points for it.
S.H, Ahlissa (Naerie) webslave
Currently I am both a player and a DM in the Temple of Elemental Evil module. I'm also a participant of the Secret of Bonehill and should be facing the menace of Keraptis.
I also had a brief encounter with the Lost Caves of Tsjocanth, but both my characters got captured...
Oh and I hope to be DM'ing the Greyhawk adventure from TSR Jam 1999 soon too.
So yah. Greyhawk fan I am...as well as a Dark Sun and Forgotten Realms one. Dark Sun's on top of the list, though.
We play twice monthly, and I wouldn't think of changing settings.
As a player, we are about to start a new Greyhawk game set about two to three years before the beginning of the Wars; it is set in the Bandit Kingdoms and the GM has indicated plans to have us adventure up to and through the Wars themselves. It's going to be something of a change for everyone as we're going from running 11th-13th level PCs to 1st level PCs.
The best part is that my players are all new to the world of Greyhawk (some new to roleplaying altogether) and they LOVE IT! I gave them copies of the Official History of the Greyhawk Wars and told them to incorporate some element of its events into their character backgrounds and they ate it up. Now they have rich characters with real development and not just to become a powerful ruler or extremely rich.
The fact that there is an untapped market of new players coming in as of 3e and 3.5 editions means there is a new market to which Wizards can sell new Greyhawk books. I think WotC needs to realize that little interest in Greyhawk could be a result of not having marketed Greyhawk as much as other campaign settings.
The campaign is centered in west-central Keoland (and the small village of Treefall, just north of the Dreadwood) with dark forces seeking to bring back the land as it was during Vecna's reign. Of course some of the protagonists are devoted to Vecna, while others like a Lieutenent to Duke Szefferin has visions of his own conquest, prophecies, war and the Silent Ones play a predominant role in this 1st through 20th level campaign.
This whole campaign is of my own construction (with a few published modules and Dungeon material as side-quests and one-shots).
If anybody is interested in learning more about this epic campaign, feel free to visit the MBs of this campaign, if so inclined: http://www.fpqonline.com/MsgBoard2/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=53
I just finished playing in a Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil campaign a few months ago. The Temple vanquished the party. Those that survived lost interest in defeating the forces of doom and scattered to the four winds of the Flanaess.
Other plans included another GH campaign in the works, low level, to introduce a few newbies to v3.5 D&D.
Yet another GH campaign in the works, this one utilizing the Castles & Crusades rulesset.
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FPQ
GVD
Right now, I'm in the middle of finishing an Adri-Regional for LG with some digging through Saga of Old City for inspiration of banditry in the Flinties...
I also play in a GH campaign run by Scoti Garbedis. His brother also runs a GH campaign at Bowling Green State University.
Greyhawk is the favorite of campaign for all of us I think.
It goes without saying that I'd love something new published as trying to find all of the old school stuff is insanity!
Speech
The FR BS of the shadow weave is too much, and the wussy action points of EB is encouraging cheating IMO.
Jason
Greyhawk is my favorite setting. The other have too much BS.
The FR BS of the shadow weave is too much, and the wussy action points of EB is encouraging cheating IMO.
I actually brought action points into Greyhawk. My players need them.
http://www.trolllord.com/zagyg.htm
And if that aint Greyhawk enough for you, nothing will be.
R.A.
Is Castle Zagyg Greyhawk... I'm gonna have to go with a solid, yes, or maybe no.
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Currently DMing a campaign in southern Keoland that just finished my U1, converted to 3.5 rules.
Also currently playing in another DM's Greyhawk campaign based in the Phostwood.
So does that count as two "votes"? :D
But seriously, the *Ring of Brass* settings need to be totally reworked! While Inzae might work, Erde is *terribly bad*... somewhat like a copy of Greyhawk/Kalamar and Wilderlands done by a drunken monkey... I really try to milk out every little bit that I find interesting out of the setting book, but there is not much to use... *The adventures done by TLG, are however, of high quality and a worthy addition to every gamer's bookshelf!*
But, let's discuss this in another thread! *Maybe my old thread about possible links between Oerth and Erde on these boards*
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This thread shall be reserved for Greyhawkers who want to state that they are still playing *and buying or using rpg products*, so that WotC may rethink their attitude!
IMO,
Castle Greyhawk = Castle Zagyg... from what I understand there won't be enough Erde content in the product to notice. You'll be able to plop the dungeon down in the proper spot on the map from your 1983 box set and go.
Why sit around and beg for WotC to let you give them your money, when someone else is publishing Castle freakin' Gr... er Zagyg by Gary freakin' Gygax and Rob freakin' Kuntz? Are you seriously going to let the fact that some big company has copyrighted a word prevent you from embracing this product?
You can complain that it's not being made for the D&D system, but then there are some of us old-timers who'd have the same complaint about any d20 Greyhawk product by WotC... But that's another discussion for another time and place...
R.A.
Maraudar
I started a campaign set in the Yeomanry, circa 586CY. It has taken some retraining of the FR players to not play Githzerai Monks with items purchased down at "Ye Olde Magyk Shoppe", but it's been fun. I think I'm introducing many of them to a grittier and almost desperate style of play (although nobody's died yet. Yet).
All of the modules have been home-grown, although one borrows heavily from an old 1st edition module.
Since they've started, the group has hunted down a murderer-rapist, cleared out a group of river-pirates led by the son of a local merchant, cleaned up a spider infestation, and repeatedly run into the same bandit. They just finished clearing up a mine, uncovering what appears to be a plot to invade the village (but why would someone invade a village?).
I really, really wish someone would put out a 3.5 version of "old school" Greyhawk material. Despite having learned the 3.5 ruleset in the last year, I've had to make a number of changes to the rules, and have slowed down the pace of history in the Flanaess. Too much going on too fast in the LG world for me, although I understand that they operate entirely differently.
Telas
Yes, Castle Zagyg was/is GH but the new Gygax material comming out is specifically written as a new setting, set (at least I think) somewhere in the world of Erde.
Is Castle Zagyg Greyhawk... I'm gonna have to go with a solid, yes, or maybe no.
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No, it isn't in Erde, its its own thing.
Jason
My most recent in-print Greyhawk purchase was the decision to re-subscribe to Dungeon Magazine, in order to support Erik Mona's GH-related efforts, including the Maure Castle redux and the wonderful GH maps being published now.
My most recent out-of-print GH purchase was a collection of old gaming materials that included the Walled City geomorphs, parts of which describe/detail Greyhawk City :D
I've started a new campaign during last holydays. It is setted in the Adri. I wanted to make a campaign where the primary theme is an evil kingdom. I have started this one in 581CY, and I plan to involve the characters in the Wars.
I also have more campaigns, some being in "stand by":
1. A campaign set in the ancient Suel Empire, a few years before the Twin Cataclysms;
2. A campaign with three mages set around Greyhawk city, pre-wars;
3. A campaign with a warband set in the Shield Lands and Furyondy, during the wars;
4. A Faery campaign set in the Gnarley Forest, during the wars;
5. A campaign with many players passing by, based on the Fate of Istus adventures, after the wars;
6. A monkish campaign started in the SB, but the characters are wandering in the Iron League, during the wars;
I also runned all great classic adventures (ToEE, Queen, etc.) with a first bunch of players during college (well, this campaign was now set about 20 years before the wars), and the sons of these characters (set during the war).
Long live Greyhawk
Fearghal
That said, I started playing D&D six years ago, in a Greyhawk.based campaign.
Soon, I was DMing in a Greyhawk Campaign (thanks to the LGG) that lasted a year, followed by another two-year campaign based on Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil.
Currently I'm DMing a three-year campaign in Ravenloft coming to an end.
After this, one of my players will make us return to Oerth with his campaign (the first time I'll be playing a TRUE campaign!
), and after that, another of my players will be DMing the City of the Spider Queen set in the UderOerth...For all I can say, it's Greyhawk Forever (With a touch of Ravenloft sometimes...)! ;)
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=5331284#post5331284
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We have here votes from about 25 members until now, and with every vote go three to six other players/DMs and interested friends and potential players (Yeah, even my Mommy
glanced at the LG map and said *nice* :D ), so count with about 100 to 150 *registered* players until now... I hope the numbers will increase even more!Rafael
I always had kind of a negative perception of Greyhawk. It just seemed like it was too old hat and kind of bland. But I can honestly say I was really wrong. I'm having a lot of fun and enjoy the world the more I find out about it. I really wish WotC would print some kind of Campaign Setting (other than the LGG) so that I can get a better feel for the world, more detailed history and regions, etc... without having to do a ton of research. Some specific Greyhawk crunch would be cool.. but I'd actually be more interested in the fluff (which isn't something I'd usually say).
But yeah, back to the topic we're playing the Istivan (sp?) adventures from Dungeon magazine currently, and having tons of fun.
Also have a Temple of Elemental Evil campaign half played through in stasis and working on my own campaign in the Shield Lands set pre-Greyhawk Wars.
Currently, I am a player in a weekly ongoing campaign started in 1992 with a core group of 6 players with up to a total count of 15 players participating in the storyline. I've been DMing off and on in this campaign since 1995 (DM's need a break too
). As a matter of fact, I am DMing a full fledged second campaign we just started this past October springing from the one in which I am a player (bringing in 2 new players!). We (the group) would love to have more material as overall we are just about stalled out in 594CY. (Rewriting story lines to fit Cannon is a pain.)I'm currently DM'ing my 4th or 5th campaign set in Greyhawk, the players being lost in the Welkwood.
I have currently no interest in the 3E game nor for any WotC products. When it comes to Greyhawk I'm setting my sights (and betting my cash) on Castle Zagyg. WotC are welcome to try to change my inclinations.
M
However about two days later I get a call from a group of players and their current DM looking for a new DM. It's funny their die hard FR fans and I've already convinced them to play in my GH campaign which will probably be set up in either Ket or the Sheldomar area.
By the way I had previously played GH when I started gaming about twenty years ago. Then I was developing my own homebrew world DM'ed FR for a short time. Then a real Genius came in and wrote From the Ashes. That's when I scraped my homebrew and just converted most of my homebrew into GH as it seemed to gel together quite well.
I finally started an actual Greyhawk campaign just four weeks ago, and have been scouring the net for info I could use. The Pomarj always intrigued me, and after reading Depths of Rage in Dungeon #83*, I did a quick search for the town of Shapic hoping for more information. Instead I found this site detailing someone's campaign which is set in the Pomarj. Now my campaign is based on their Obsidian Bay.
*A tribe of barbarian goblins holed up in an earthquake zone--yay! Now that's what I call an adventure set in the Pomarj! I had to tone it down for 1st-level characters, but the flavour remains. I highly recommend it.
I've a BIG favour to ask you all:
This thread was meant to gather all (or at least, as much as possible) Greyhawk fans that browse these boards. Now that the thread is online some days, I fear that it will be forgotten little by little.
So, would you consider to insert the link to this thread into your signature, like Amaril and I already did? - So maybe we can gather more players, that may not be concerned with this specific board too much.
By asking this, I don't want in any way to assume a *leading role*, or whatever one may call it, in the enterprise to *revive* WoG officially - nor will I be angry with anyone who doesn't *spoil* his/her signature with the link.
But as we all regularily spread on these boards into several other message boards, like the RL, DL or LG boards for example, we may find even more players who haven't yet read and particpated in this thread.
It may be only a small step, but it might help good old WoG in some way...
Thank you in any case
Rafael
This campaign (started with 3.0 and we are now playing 3.5) was my first encounter with Greyhawk (I played DL in 2ed), which is a really great world :D
I've been playing and DMing in Greyhawk since 1988. Now I'm currently running Maure Castle from Dungeon 112. The party is a group of high-level characters exiled from Tenh that work gor the Co8. I'm also planning to start a low-level campaign using the U-series.
I'm very glad to see new Greyhawk material in the last Dungeon issues, and I hope that this thread would be the initial spark to see new GH-based material from WoC.
Saludos,
Gabriel
blah blah blah...Depths of Rage in Dungeon #83*...blah blah blah...town of Shapic...blah blah blah....
Okay, there's my quota of mistakes for the Greyhawk board this week.
The town of Shapic is from the Seventh Arm in Dungeon #88. It's for 7th-level characters, which I'll have to tone down for my players.
I highly recommend that one as well.
:DAbout a year ago my brother and I decided we should start up again. There was no question we'd play in Greyhawk. We switched to v3.5 rules, and I dug up as much 'new' GH info as I could. So now I'm DMing 5 players in an infrequent, loose campaign based right in the Free City itself, in 593 CY. I've used adventures from assorted d20 publishers, a short scenario from WotC's website, and two from recent Dungeons ('Devil Box' and 'Mad God's Key,' which the players are working through now).
I'm probably, by the standards of some I see on these boards, doing it 'wrong' -- using non-Greyhawk adventures, using v3.5 rules, using some of the LG material. But I seem to remember even the early adventures and rules pushed the DM to decide for themselves how their game world would work. I use what I like, bend bits (or large chunks) to fit, and throw out the stuff that doesn't work for me. The goal is for the players to have fun, and so far at least that seems to be happening.
The campaigns are moving much slower these days because of things like real jobs and very young children...hopefully the pace will pick up once the children get a bit older.
...rpg enthusiast for Greyhawk...
That'd be me. I've never DMed or played a Greyhawk campaign (homebrew all the way), but I got online in the late '90s and migrated to the AOL Greyhawk site because, honest to god, it had the best discussions. Much of that material I later pulled together in the Best of Greyhawk collections (most currently housed over at Canonfire), and I edited the Oerth Journal for four issues, 8-11 -- taking over for the departing Erik Mona (who I hear has gone onto slightly bigger things).
Most recent GH-related thing I did? Assembled the articles for the Oerth Journal #16 into a single document for formatting and layout.
Cheers
Nell.
My first gaming experience was GH in 1981. I am still running a 1st Ed. GH campaign that started in 90'. We meet Fridays(all work and childcare schedules permitting). Not all the original players are still around from 90', but the campaign has evoved nicely as players/characters move on. I use/adapt every Dungeon module(or any other sources) wether it be 2nd Ed., or 3.whatever Ed. as long as it has some GH content or adaptabilty. Indeed, I am currently running "Beast of Burden" scenario from Dungeon #100 adapted to the hinterlands of the Hardby(Abbor-Alz) region.
I have played and DMed many other systems/settings, but my heart is really in my long term GH campaign.
I'm probably, by the standards of some I see on these boards, doing it 'wrong' -- using non-Greyhawk adventures, using v3.5 rules, using some of the LG material.
Bah! You can't do it 'wrong,' it's Greyhawk!
Now D&D, that you can do wrong.... :D
I have purchased other world settings and played in many different campaigns, so I am not a Greyhawk Zealot with no other point of reference. There is some good stuff out there (Eberron is one) but when it comes to quality background, original story, engrossing history and playability Greyhawk wins hands down. Something must be right with it for me to prefer it to all the other stuff out there and still be using it for my current campaign.
I live in hope to one day see a hardcover, full colour, Greyhawk book on my stores shelves and in my bookcase at home.
I have adapted a ton of produced modules for GH, simply because no one has produced anything consitently for decades. I usually run my own adventures as opposed to modules, mosty because if I have to tweak them anyway, why shell out the cash?
Like someone else said, I was thrilled when GH was alledged to be the focus 3e gameworld. But other than saying that nothing really popped up.
*shrug* Thier loss.I have campaigned in and throughout the flanness, and still do. Right now I am running a campaign based in Steriech. We just finished a campaign in the Furyondy-Voll theatre. What's next? Probalby into the far northeast, good change of venue.
OH, I vote for more GH.
My latest purchase was Dungeon's 118 & 119, because the maps are quite beautiful and I want to support Erik Mona's efforts.
I have been playing for about 20 years, mostly as a DM and mostly running GH, though I have made excursions into Ravenloft, Dragon Lance, and gasp...the Forgotten Realms. I keep returning to Greyhawk though because of its rich sense of social and political history.
In 2nd Edition we played a Forgotten Realms campaign which carried over into the early days of 3rd Edition.
In the near future I'm going to be running a Star Wars D20 campaign (Rise of the Empire era) but after that my plan is to run a 3.5 D&D campaign set in Greyhawk.
I have been having so much fun with the 3 parts of the 4 part Greyhawk map that has been coming in my Dungeon magazine subscription. It has caused me to dig out my 1st edition modules an cross reference them on this gorgeous map. Seeing the island Sybarate in Jeklea Bay on the map and then reading the intro to "UK1 Beyond the Crystal Cave" just enhances the experience!
So after digging out my 1st edition modules, I dug out the 2nd edition Greyhawk material I had and never used (because we played in the Realms). Aside from the Return to... series I had the Lost Tombs series: The Star Cairns, Crypt of Lyzandred the Mad, and The Doomgrinder; as well as the Player's Guide, The Adventure Begins, The Scarlet Brotherhood, and Slavers. What a treasure trove of information and goodness. So I'm looking up the locations on the map and cross referencing the source material with that of the Living Greyhawk Gazetter. It has captured my imagination like crazy.
To add to that, I've been a subscriber to Dungeon since issue #82 (the start of 3rd Edition material). So I'm going back through the adventures in Dungeon (as well as the Adventure Path series: Sunless Citadel, Forge of Fury, etc.) and looking for appropriate places to put these adventures on the map. The best part is there is already a nice amount of Greyhawk based adventures and suggested sites in Dungeon. It is nice to have Mr. Mona at the Helm. Including the Isle of Dread south of the Densac Gulf, Maure Castle, the Istivin adventure path, the Raiders of Black Ice, name just a few recent ready made Greyhawk adventures.
Suffice to say that I've got more than enough adventure to stock and inspire my future Greyhawk campaign. I can't wait to put "The Obsidian Eye" adventure from issue #120 in the Bright Desert!
For those who want Greyhawk adventure and never got a fold out Greyhawk map, I heartily recommend Dungeon magazine. The four-part map is available with issues #118,119,120, & next months 121.
How can someone say that there are no Greyhawk players left? ;)
But go on, post your Greyhawk testimonial here! *Ripped from Amaril's sig
*I just started my current Greyhawk campaign a few weeks ago. It's 571 CY (a few years before the original boxed set's starting date of 576), and the PCs are freebooters and ne'er-do-wells in the Lordship of the Isles. One of the PCs is a monk of the Scarlet Brotherhood. Those of you who know the setting know that the Brotherhood will begin to make their presence known within a few game years, and I'm hoping to make that political maneuvering part of the campaign's background events. Ideally, I'd love to have something that builds like the Coming of the Shadows metaplot in "Babylon 5," complete with a moral quandry for the monk character (since I've kind of glossed over a lot of the Brotherhood's more evil characteristics, and plan to reveal more of it as the campaign goes on).
Right now, we're playing the free adventure "The Eye of the Sun," adapted to take place in Hepmonaland. They haven't even left the colony of Turashar, and they've already gotten themselves in trouble with the Suel authorities!
I love this setting...
Good gaming!!!
I have painstakingly rewritten the Temple of Elemental Evil and started my latest campaign in the midst of the events surrounding the module.
Would you care to share your rewrite? I always rewrite every single module I use. Can never seem to find one written perfectly to suit my purposes.
I started with the Basic Red Box (remember the white crayon :D ) and soon moved on to AD&D, moving steadily through the editions until I now use 3.5. Throughout that time I have DM'ed and played the game in the Greyhawk world.
That's not to say I haven't tried other settings. I have scattered my characters across many planes and planets, but without a shadow of a doubt the richest and most absorbing setting I have played so far is Greyhawk.
I have to admit to paying little heed to canon, (I thought it was a big gun until stumbling across canonfire!) and admit my mixture of prewritten and homegrown scenario's can be a little eclectic, but my players like it.
I recently started buying up loads of Greyhawk stuff from hobby shops and the internet and having lent it to 2 of my players, they are so taken with it, they have started fledgling campaigns too and have started buying up out of print material also.
So there you have it, my die is cast and my colours fly for all to see.
Greyhawk forever!
DMStue
Never ever have I heard my DM complain about the lack of game material. Although he sometimes finds something usefull at canonfire.
For him it's like "Priest of Blipdoolpoolp" says in his thread "Screwing up Greyhawk".
And talking about that thread... YAMO
, I hope you don't feel like that about all Forgotten Realms DM's!!! I can asure you that things don't go "like they should" in my campaign! How can it be "like it should" when the men of my campaign walk into the throne room of Cormyr and say to the king :" We're gonna rip off your head, and **** down your throat! Then we're gonna **** that **** of yours!". Before the king even realised what he had just heard, a meteor storm came down on him just after he ate twe fireballs. After some hacking/slashing about and a lot of chaos, they made a magical retreat back to Zentil Keep, bringing with them the king and queen. They held word...he got ****** down the throat, and she got *****. Thanx to the fieldwork of these brave Zentharim, Cormyr and the Dales are now run over (Elminster had to flee) by the forces of Zentil Keep. Next on there list is that abomination named "Waterdeep"! Cyric did not lose his throne of bones to his nemesis, because he slew Mask :evillaugh
Soon a perpetual darkness will cover Fearûn, for the greater glorie of Cyric!!
Hail Cyric :hoppingma
For the rest,Yamo, you're quite right about that sissy-like message board of the Realms :D
I stopped purchasing Forgotten Realms-related stuff long before TSR folded:
I've never purchased anything related to Eberron and, further, have no interest in it:
If I were not a regular Greyhawk DM (and motivated by my affection for this classic setting), I wouldn't have purchased the Psionics Handbook, the Monster Manual II, Sword & Fist and all the other splatbooks: the last couple of years I haven't purchased many WotC products, because they haven't had a lot of applicability to the Greyhawk setting. (Recent releases have been more useful, but only rarely have I given in to the temptation, because they're still not quite 'there'.) I have two factors in mind when I go down to my Friendly Neighborhood Games Store:
1) Does it focus on improving play, rather than simply adding new rules? If yes, I might buy it (as long as it's not specific to a non-Greyhawk setting.)
2) Does it tell me more about the Greyhawk setting? If yes, I'll probably buy it even if it's not a great product. Lord knows that if I bought The Scarlet Brotherhood I'll buy almost anything with a GH label on it. (That potato was only half-baked.)
I personally make up info all the time and the players eat it up in Greyhawk and love being part of somthing origanal and not going to citie after citie that is in the book and all the players being super-experts on the history. I want the plot twists to be kept in a lock safe and not there.
There are ways to tweek all the other sttings but all the good ones are already writen right in the books. Bleeghhh. Another thing is that whenever I try to do somthing great with the Eberon setting or the Ferun one I always get chewed up like a rat and spit in the gutter.
But thats my opinion.
WotC take note, the less Greyhawk specific material you publish, the less the 7 of us will buy. It is just that simple.
WotC take note, the less Greyhawk specific material you publish, the less the 7 of us will buy. It is just that simple.
I am sure they are scared now. Just kidding
For the past 14 months I have been running Greyhawk exclusively.
WotC take note, the less Greyhawk specific material you publish, the less the 7 of us will buy. It is just that simple.
This doesn't neccessarily mean that if they publish Greyhawk material that you'd buy more.
Athough, I assume you would as would I. Heck, when Eberron came out, I was tempted to start an Eberron campaign just because it seems that more official material will be created for that than for Greyhawk.I notice a lot of old time players beleive that new material is not neccessary. There are those of us, such as myself, who are new as of 3e and would like to have current hardcover books and other print products. Not everyone enjoys spending days and weeks hunting down out-of-print material. Heck, even having a subsection of the WotC site dedicated to Greyhawk would be nice, especially since Greyhawk is the 'core' setting. Instead we get treated to weekly articles detailing FR and Eberron. *hrmph* Maybe I should go Eberron. (No way, man!)
I notice a lot of old time players beleive that new material is not neccessary. There are those of us, such as myself, who are new as of 3e and would like to have current hardcover books and other print products. Not everyone enjoys spending days and weeks hunting down out-of-print material.
I could argue that you have an advantage over the old time players. I as an oldtime Greyhawker have so much OOP and fansite material from places like Canonfire, that I would never realistically need another bit of new GH material. New info is still nice, because people want their setting to still be relevant in today. But I digress. As a newer DM of Greyhawk in the 3E era, you have free reign to ignore the first 20+ years of GH canon and aprocrypha and take Greyhawk in any direction you want with little fear of a new novel or sourcebook later contradicting your world and forcing a revision (The FR-effect).
I could argue that you have an advantage over the old time players. I as an oldtime Greyhawker have so much OOP and fansite material from places like Canonfire, that I would never realistically need another bit of new GH material. New info is still nice, because people want their setting to still be relevant in today.
I agree entirely. While I've got enough to go on, some more new material would be great, as a few paragraphs aren't much to build a country on.
OTOH, the way the FR have been done is a bit too much. I like the elbow room in GH, but sometimes I feel like a painter confronted with a blank canvas.
Even if I ignored 90% of a WotC GH book, I'd still buy it, and encourage my players to buy it, too.
Telas
I could argue that you have an advantage over the old time players. I as an oldtime Greyhawker have so much OOP and fansite material from places like Canonfire, that I would never realistically need another bit of new GH material. New info is still nice, because people want their setting to still be relevant in today. But I digress. As a newer DM of Greyhawk in the 3E era, you have free reign to ignore the first 20+ years of GH canon and aprocrypha and take Greyhawk in any direction you want with little fear of a new novel or sourcebook later contradicting your world and forcing a revision (The FR-effect).
My point wasn't targeting ALL old time Greyhawkers, just those who say no new material needs to be published.
Those old-timers who wish for new material are appreciated.
"I wish for new material!"
Aw, firk. I blew my one wish to create 100 square yards of corduroy?!
Very well:
"I wish for new material!"
Aw, firk. I blew my one wish to create 100 square yards of corduroy?!
*snrkkk* Haw ha ha ha ha ha!
Now that's a wish 1st edition style! :D
Hence the name, Cord-du-Roi (cloth of the king). Depending on your campaign, you could use it to get into the court and usurp the kingdom.
Hell, it worked for Cohen the Barbarian and the Silver Horde.....
Telas
Now, another short calculation:
About 60 notes of ongoing campaigns *(given that who posts here can be seen as a dedicated fan, so let aside who else might be out there) *(The gaming groups of 3 to 8 players) *(The 750 Hawkers from Ezboards) *(The gamers that are currently not doing homecampaigns, but following these boards/ being RPGA members that don't campaign at the moment)= at least 2000 to 2500 Greyhawkers *kind of registered*!
I hope the number will increase more!
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I Dm'ed for nearly ten years since 86, always in Greyhawk, in a very (and maybe too much?) intensive way. We were students, and it was not a problem to play for 24 hours in a single session at this time. We sometimes played 4 or 5 times a week, but it was GREAT.
Since 96, we made some breaks, my original team of players and friends splitted for professional reasons, and we continued to play in a non-regular way. Beetween 3rd ed and 3.5 i nearly didn't dm'ed.
Now, for 2 years we are playing at the rythm of 3 sessions/months.
The main problem was to re-assemble an interesting team of players, without comparing it to the past.
Today i still have one of my original player, the ranger he played for 10 years is 13rd lvl and retired. He's now playing a sorcerer. And his wife a fighter.
But one of my player left France for Canada at Christmas, and we are waiting for 1 or 2 experimented players to continue our in-going adventure, wich is.... return to the temple of elemental evil
I wish to find good roleplayers to add some depth to our campaign, wich i really want to continue. After i plan to play little adventures to help my PCs discovering the Flanaess.
About new materials: the simple fact of receiving each month Dungeon Mag with The SUPERB MAP of OERTH inside is really a plus. And is really helping the world of greyhawk, like the recent Maure Castle scenarii.
I don't REALLY need new materials, but i know i would buy them without hesitation if they have the quality of the recent Dungeons plubications. And i am also sure it would help lot of new players to discover and like the fantastic World of Greyhawk.
So far the players have freed the tower...
...and then taken off to Harby where the rogue in the group got everyone in alot of trouble...
I've had many adventures set in Greyhawk: Ghost Towers, Queen of Spiders, and the more recent Return to the Temple...etc.
We've always just kinda taken for granted that Greyhawk was the setting...but strangely didn't delve into it in any detail.
Only now with the release of the Living Greyhawk Gazeteer are we getting more seriously involved in the storylines.
And I think this is in large part due to Dungeon Mag, with it's focus on the Flanaess and killer new maps!
Yeah, it seems like everyone I game with has Greyhawk fever now... :D
Prior to that, we had a long running Shield Lands game that hopefully someday will get revisited.
If WotC would give their default setting the attention and support it deserves, I would buy any and every product they put out for it.
Maybe it will never be as it was, but there's still a bunch of gamers that enjoys one of the greatest rpg settings ever created!
Rafael
It all started with the first World of Greyhawk-box. My first DM gave it to me, because he only understood French and I translated it for him.The books have suffered a lot from years of use, but that other world still stirs my imagination and keeps players-friends together for more than 25 years now.
I host two groups as a DM on a regular basis. One group speaks Dutch, the other French. I spend hours at translating, but I still enjoy every moment. My library is stacked with D&D-books, the whole GH collection. I also bought lots of Forgotten Realms, Lankhmar, Ravenloft etc., but only to introduce settings or ideas into GH.
Recently I obtained the Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil and I'm preparing the module for play. I regret that I haven't more time, otherwise I would actively contribute to the Living Greyhawk Campaign.
I also regret that recent material, such as the new maps, are so difficult to obtain in Europe. Ordering them is no option, since Dragon is not being shipped our way. I hope WotC finds a solution.
Greyhawk to me is the best of the various produced game worlds. It has its flaws and its merits but I really dont think any other world can really compare with it.
Maraudar
Greyhawk to me is the best of the various produced game worlds. It has its flaws and its merits but I really dont think any other world can really compare with it.
Maraudar
I agree because it was the world we started in and still develop today after a lot of years. It has a huge advantage that it will never be finshed and every player can acquire his/her own version.
This may not blind us. The first edition contained many flaws. Not that we minded. We always resolved the problems due to unclear rules. And while the second edition brought some improvements, we realised that the perfect Guide doens't exist.
Therefore I liked the Optional-boxes so much. You could adopt certain rules or forget about them. Consider the complexity of the Attack of Opportunity in the 3.5 edition. The reasoning is accurate but a DM has less fun ruling an entire evening whether an AoO occurs or not.
Are other worlds less fun to discover? I don't think so. On different occassions my players found gateways in GH to other worlds.
The adventure Ship of Horrors brought them to Ravenloft. Luckily they found the way back. The Expedition to the Barrier Peaks in Realms of Horror was an excellent opportunity to discover the world of Spelljammer. And a lost artifact brought them to the future, and the rules of Shadowrun.
We learned to play with other rules and game-systems. It allowed players to become DM's in a particular world and offered me the chance to feel the thrill of a player again clinging to his character against all odds. The main principle is that the game offers the chance to make friends and to have fun.
The main principle is that the game offers the chance to make friends and to have fun.
And thats what its all about Mordicus..
Maraudar
- I am active in the RPGA's Living Greyhawk campaign (Gran March)
- My players have tried experimenting with different settings yet they always come back to Greyhawk because, quoting them "(unless it's Greyhawk), it's just not D&D".
- My players are all big fans of the Scarlet Brotherhood (The Zhentrim? The Emerald Claw? MORONS!), The Slave Lords, and ESPECIALLY Tharizdun.
- My current campaign is set in the Duchy of Ulek and is, at present, centered around The Warlord of the Axewood's (Half-Fey Arrow Demon w/ Ftr levels) uniting of the various evil fey creatures in the aforementioned forest to drive out all non-fey. Mix in a couple of subplots (see below) and you've got pure Greyhawk magic...
-The Knights of the Watch slowly try to exert their influence within the non-KotW friendly Duchy
-A mass-grave dating back to the Ur-Flan/Empire of Vecna era is uncovered outside of Tringlee
-Turrosh Mak refocuses his efforts to the north, dealing a crushing blow to Celene and the Wild Coast. Are the unsuspecting Duchy and County of Ulek next?
-Additionally, as many have noted, Mr. Mona continues to crank out some excellent Greyhawk material within the pages of Dungeon. I fully intend on using the three recently published Istvan adventures and the excellent Strike on Shatterhorn (from the Adventure Path) to round out the campaign, let the PCs travel a bit, and give yours truly a much needed break from writing.
Do we NEED more Greyhawk material? Of course! Greyhawk CAN be marketed in a way to attract new players! The problem is that the last few supplements (particularly the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer) have read like stereo instructions; i.e. very informative but lacking in visual appeal and new rules (skills, feats, prestige classes, monsters). Hopefully, the success of the Living Greyhawk campaign will demonstrate that this "tired old setting" still has some life left in it and will for years to come.
Have a good one...
- Craig
Do we NEED more Greyhawk material? Of course! Greyhawk CAN be marketed in a way to attract new players! The problem is that the last few supplements (particularly the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer) have read like stereo instructions; i.e. very informative but lacking in visual appeal and new rules (skills, feats, prestige classes, monsters). Hopefully, the success of the Living Greyhawk campaign will demonstrate that this "tired old setting" still has some life left in it and will for years to come.
Have a good one...
Craig
We have a lot of Greyhawk material at our disposal and for that I think most fans are very grateful. But the work isn't finished yet. By publishing ,,The Adventure Begins'' even WotC acknowledged that as a fact.
The new Guide also showed a fear of change and a return to the origins, since a lot of it already appeared in the World of Greyhawk boxed set. A a repetition of the shock caused by The Greyhawk Wars was clearly to be avoided at all cost. We should overcome the anxiety that to change equals losing fans (buyers). Worlds evolve, rulers come and go, civilisations rise and fall. A frozen framework or background shows a Waste Land.
The idea to develop countries in Living Greyhawk is splendid. Unfortunately not all the GH-fans can participate in this undertaking. It would be nice to give them access to basic information, such as lay-out of cities, description of important NPC's, major events etc. as a background. It would add to the feeling that their world is still very much alive.
More than this background, more than rules, skills and feats even, players and DM's need thrilling adventures, stories to be told by DM's for enthralled players. You never have enough of those. With a pile of those to read and work with, nobody will have time to whine about ,,canon or not''. Start writing and surprise us. Thank you for listening.
Just for fun, I took a look on Amazon.com tonight:
Just by comparison:
Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting Sales Rank: #7,989 in Books
Eberron Campaign Setting Sales Rank: #12,395 in Books
And in the 'really never promoted or supported, so it doesn't
even compare' category:
Living Greyhawk Gazateer Sales Rank: #34,413 in Books
The FR CS has been out quite a long time, so I guess in all fairness,
we'd have to give Eberron some time to 'catch up'....but personally,
I have no interest in it, and the friends I have who currently play
D&D all bought Privateer's Iron Kingdoms Character and Campaign
books for 'something different' over Eberron. Yet all would happily
support Greyhawk.
Oh well you put a wish in one hand, and take a @#$% in the other,
you are still left with a handful of @#$%.
If those numbers reflect the true situation, maybe there is still real hope to see the setting relaunched...
I returned to Greyhawk in 2000 with a "Greyhawk Classics" 3E campaign for just over a year, then went homebrew, then D20 Modern, and have now returned to DM'ing Greyhawk with a new campaign (currently at 4th level). I am using classics converted to 3.5, Greyhawk based adventures from Dungeon and Necromancer Games, Malhavoc and Fiery Dragon adventures... oh and a surgically altered ToEE/RttToEE hybrid thingie (mixed in with the above... I drastically alter adventures). I plan on staying in GH for the forseeable future.
On a related note, I purchased the Waterdeep box and related books when they were released, as well as the FR box, but sold all of my FR stuff on ebay a few years ago. I have never bought any Eberron products, not do I plan to. I do own and mine the FR hardcover.
DM
I must confess more personal loyalty and game time has been spent on the homebrew over the years, but Greyhawk always returns to the table. Regretfully, the recent break-up of my gaming group portends no Hawking in the forseeable future.
As a role-playing adict, I must purchase a new book every couple weeks or go into withdrawal symptoms. (Silly since I will only read about 1/4 of the book, leave it forgotten on the shelf, and not use any of it in my games.) Any non-novel Greyhawk will be purchased soon after release, but I will purchase nearly anything to get my fix.
As a role-playing adict, I must purchase a new book every couple weeks or go into withdrawal symptoms. (Silly since I will only read about 1/4 of the book, leave it forgotten on the shelf, and not use any of it in my games.) Any non-novel Greyhawk will be purchased soon after release, but I will purchase nearly anything to get my fix.
I have learned to live with the addiction. Max. 5 ⁈ at ebay each month and I can go on a while more (without having to declare bankrupt).
:D
I am using classics converted to 3.5, Greyhawk based adventures from Dungeon and Necromancer Games, Malhavoc and Fiery Dragon adventures... oh and a surgically altered ToEE/RttToEE hybrid thingie (mixed in with the above... I drastically alter adventures). I plan on staying in GH for the forseeable future.
That's quite a list of adventures you have there. Which Greyhawk adventures are you using? I'm in the midst of running G2 myself.
And just to make my position clear, I neither DM nor play in any setting at this time. I am investigating which to use for my family, as we plan to start playing sometime this calendar year (depends on how long it takes me to get up to speed
). At this time, GH is looking really good (I am going to use ADnD 1e).Diana
That's quite a list of adventures you have there. Which Greyhawk adventures are you using? I'm in the midst of running G2 myself.
I hesitated to post them, since my players tend to ignore warnings not to read something, but I alter things so heavily that they are almost unrecognizable. Here is my adventure list basically in order:
Crucible of Freya - Necromancer Games [finished]
Temple of Elemental Evil (moathouse only) - TSR [finished]
Tomb of Abysthor - Necromancer Games [in progress]
Vault of Larin Karr - Necromancer Games
Prey for Tyrinth - Dungeon #90
Vanity - Dungeon #93
Fiend's Embrace - Dungeon #121
Cradle of Madness - Dungeon #87
Demonclaw - Dungeon #84
Forsaken Arch - Dungeon #120
Seventh Arm - Dungeon #88
Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil (moathouse, Nulb and Temple) - WoTC
Lord of the Scarlet Tide - Dungeon #85
Touch of the Abyss - Dungeon #117
Shadows of the Abyss - Dungeon #118
Wrath of the Abyss - Dungeon #119
Crumbling Hall of the Frost Giant Jarl (homage to G series found online)
Headless - Dungeon #89
Throne of Iuz - Dungeon #118
Queen of Lies - Monte Cook
The Harrowing - Dungeon #84
Chaos Rising - Necromancer Games
Demon God's Fane - Monte Cook
Lost Temple of Demogorgon - Dungeon #120
(tentatively) Maure Castle - Dungeon #112
I will adjust the list depending on in-game occurrences. I would rather prepare too much than too little. The party is up against the demon lords/demi-gods (Iuz, Demogorgon, Orcus, Jubilex, Lolth, etc.). I have set all adventures in Greyhawk. I will use other classic GH adventures as I have time or find conversions. I hope to use more than one generation of characters in this one and keep it going for a while.
DM
My third group went through the U series and then changed characters and went through Temple of Elemental Evil, Slave Lords, and Queen of Spiders supermodules (all 3 from 1992-1998).
My current group (all new players - 5 males/3females) are going through that same series but using 3E/3.5E rules.
Greyhawk Lives!!!!
Have an ongoing campaign in Greyhawk City. Play in an ongoing game in the Nyrond region.
There's a few message boards you should check out
Canonfire Forums also hosts a pretty cool D20/3e/3.5e GH forum, check it out. Much less painful that EZBoard, IMO.
I have been plaing D&D for 20 years now, and have been playing in Greyhawk for the last 14. I have always liked Greyhawk better it is not over done, and it just seemed to me that a lot of the people I played FR with would get upset if you did something that contradicted the novels.
That's quite a list of adventures you have there. Which Greyhawk adventures are you using? I'm in the midst of running G2 myself.
Hi. I'm DMing G2 as well, with 5 players, with 11/12 characters(levels 7-10) with plans to follow through with all the follow up modules if the characters ever reach that far. I have another party with 4 players( 2 aditional) and 6 characters (4th and 5th levels )in the Oytwood. have been playing D&D since 1975 and DMing since 1976.
Integrated my town and province to the northwest of Geoff from which the 2nd party went to Hochoch and Orlane in The Cult of the Reptile God, and the first party to answer the call for adventurers to fight the Giants of G123. We play when we can coordinate the play of 5 or 6 people with full schedules and 2 1/2 hours of drive time apart. About 2 to 5 times a year.
I Dm Greyhawk and my cousin DM's his own creation. 2of the players have given up DMing, but I've played in White Plume Mountain, The Ghost Tower of Inverness in their worlds as well.
We have added a second generation of players to our group who have taken over PC's from players who have left the area, and made NPC's as PC's to accomodate the new players.
100 posts in this thread!
Greyhawk is far from fading from the minds of the D&D game community!
Thus, I am pleased to announce that some teens from the youth group I eventually care for have started to collect their own gaming material to start a future campaign on their own.
They rely on a 2e starter box, the Red Steel MM and some Greyhawk adventures and might very well start their own game. (Very likely in Veluna.)
The funny thing about this is that I never encouraged or sparkled their interest in Greyhawk. I play DL with them, and will do so for the forseeable future.
My players are noobs to Gryehawk, but I as their GM am not.
I still have my old boxed set, and run adventures in Greyhawk at least once every month. My players and I use the GreyhawK Gazetteer, but of course would love to see more in the new edition, and would gladly make that purchase.
Anyway, these games have been amazing! Max_Writer is an excellent DM who spares nothing to bring his NPC's and environments alive whether by use of props, music or interesting voices. I really enjoy his game and am glad i have it to play.
I started running a Greyhawk Campaign in 2002 because I saw the LGG at my FLGS (that is 1 hour from my house!). I went through the book and decided that Keoland was a good starting place for my campaign and it was. The group now calls themselves the Company of the Copper Card, because of an artifact they found and where they all met for the most part. They have traveled through Waygates, ended up in Nyrond, passed through the Free City of Greyhawk and teleported back to Keoland. The characters all have many rich histories that have led to some interesting gaming.
Unfortunately for my players i currently can only run about once every 2 months due to family and work complications but they have been very understanding and I guess my game was/is good enough that it is worth the 2 month wait in between games.
I am hoping to start a weeknight game soon (next couple months) because my schedule at work is supposed to be changing and I am going to use the Age of Worms adventure path for that game, since using a pre-printed adventure path will be less work in the long run.
I guess I am a lucky Greyhawker, I have a great DM to run a game and a group of 6 dedicated players who help bring my own campaign to life. Thank God for Greyhawk! TGFG!
Party of 6, presently exploring the Vesve Forest, each week.
Best wishes Kevin
I've played in many realms as a dm and a player since 1980. Hands down, Greyhawk is the best. It was designed for flexibility. I pick and choose little things from other realms that I like and use them in my Greyhawk setting.
I'm also playing/co-dming in a evil Greyhawk campaign which is quickly shaping up to be one of the more exciting campaigns I have played in. We've been sent on a mission into Furyondy/Horned Society to confirm the death of Iuz. Tough one, but fun.
my friends and I are starting a Greyhawk campaign in the next few weeks. its the first time any of us have played, and I was glad that we didn't fall into the evils of eberron or faerun- i cant afford to have to buy all those manuals
Actually, now is a good time to start buying Eberron books. So far they only have two, the Eberron Campaign Setting and Sharn: City of Towers. Five Nations is coming out soon, though. I don't currently play Eberron, but I bought the first two hardcovers just so that I can slowly build the collection for when I do instead of trying to buy a lot of books at once.
They are wandering round the Clatspurs right now, having been involved with the Wolf Nomads looking for the Tomb of a long-dead chieftain (the adventure card 'The Dead of the Howling Hills' from the Vity of Greyhawk set, adapted to 3.5!) and are presently in the narrow Goblin Barbarian tunnels of 'Depths of Rage' from Dungeon 83. I'll be running them through 'The Grey Citadel' (Necromancer Games) soon, additional flavour for Greyhawk to be added.
My wife is putting together a website which will record the adventures and will add some DM notes. I'm also planning a brief history of the 2e game I ran on and off from 1994 to 2002 which ended with ninth-level players part way through 'Return of the Eight' (they were standing outside Tenser's Castle, as I recall). None of the old lags are playing in my new game.
In one campaign the PC's are searching the location of the Forgotten Temple of Tharizdum
And in another we're playing a game in 585 CY, based in the Marklands, with much espionage missions, political intrigue and military flavour.
Now i've got the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer, From the Ashes BS, City of Greyhawk BS, Greyhawk Adventures (hard cover), GH Monstrous Compendium and some 3rd Edition novels.
Actually i'm DMing for a group of nine people. Some are from Nova Friburgo (where i live), some from Teresópolis and some from Rio de Janeiro (where i was born and lived until 2000). All my players learned about GH with me and many of them would buy GH books if they could...
Thats it
C'ya
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Alguém que fale espanhol ou português que queira conversar via MSN?
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Good to see that we have Argentin brothers playing Greyhawk! I would try to say something in spanish but i prefer not to show my BAD spanish here... ehehehe...
Uhmm... i know that there is a site that tries to organize some gaming sessions under the RPGA banner here... its nothing official, i think they´re trying to get people closer to the LG so we could have a expressive number of players around... waiting for a South America (at last) meta region.
www.rpga.com.br/ - Try this URL
Now i am speaking whit some people here in argentina to make some adventures in the LotI and offer them to this people, and later speak a little whit the responsable of the Tridas organization, whit the hope of including Argentina in the same region of Spain, or something else.
I have also by good sources that the RPGA organization will not open new regions for some time at least.
Saludos!
It's good to know Greyhawk is alive in South America too! Let me tell you that I've just finished DMing a party of 5 charcters through the U-series. Next they will go to the Tomb of the Lizard King which I set deep in the Hool Marshes.
AFAIK, there's no RPGA or LG organization here in Uruguay. There's been a couple of RPG related events, but with little D&D (I think other RPG like Vampire, Shadowrun, or StarWars are more popular) and even less GH (many play FR or Darksun). I've been playing in GH since late 80's and will stay loyal to it!
Saludos,
We are triying to contact whit the Spanish (Lordship of the Isles) Triad, but htey appear to be very bussy whit their private life to even make adventures.
Now i am speaking whit some people here in argentina to make some adventures in the LotI and offer them to this people, and later speak a little whit the responsable of the Tridas organization, whit the hope of including Argentina in the same region of Spain, or something else.
I have also by good sources that the RPGA organization will not open new regions for some time at least.
Saludos!
Their main problem seems not be to get their private life set, but difficulties with overall conceptual coordination - let's not forget that 1. D&D isn't too popular in Spain, apart from Dragonlance 2. Cons have normally not the same focus on D&D as it may be in other countries. I am in contact with the Triad there, and I can assure you that by the end of the year, things will get better and more organized.
However, it seems that they are in need of some more creative workers, so, if you're really interested, maybe you can PM me or post on their mailing list?
I think anyone who really likes to help would be welcome.
NOTE: I am in no way responsible for LG Spain, but I came to them a while ago with more or less the same questions as you.
Saludos a todos...
Not to discourage the conversation, but shouldn't this off-topic conversation be in the Living Greyhawk forum?
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Now, back to topic, a friend of mine has dropped FR (for good, it seems) and is now doing a 3.5 campaign in Saltmarsh!
Greyhawk lives!!!
It's really cool to know that Greyhawk lives in Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil and it would be nice to see our countries as LG metaregions. But it is a discussion for another forum... :embarrass
Perhaps we could talk via MSN... add me to your list: [email]mestrecavernoso@msn.com[/email]
C'ya!
I'll send you an email, as soon as I get more news about the ongoing in the Spain.
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My friends,
I am delighted to announce this: My youthgroup obviously got bored from Eberron and DSA (German RPG) and today (just three hours ago!!!) one came asking me *if I could lend them a decent module...*. And literally, with tears in my eyes, I handed over a disk with the pdf of Ivid the Undying. :D :D :D
Rauxes beware, for the elder gods... ah, Rafee's youth group is coming!
:coolcthul
I finally converted my boys to Greyhawk!!!
Come on, are there no more other Greyhawk campaigns running? - I doubt highly doubt that. ;)
Once it was revealed to kinda take place in the Amedio Jungles, I told my players and some became interested. When the group broke up, those few stayed to play the Maure Castle module in Dungeon #112. I tried to lay as much history and interest as I could whenever they group would visit Seltaren to resupply. I even introduced some of the bigger players in the Greyhawk world, such as Bigby and Nystul (in the form of Nera, a young half-elf maiden).
Now, I'll begin running the new AP in a couple of months and the players are excited beyond belief. They want a risky, but fun campaign that gives them more Greyhawk.
And I'm more than happy to oblige; I only hope they can stick around long enough to face off against Kyuss.
I've even started looking at older 2nd ed GH books because...well...somehow WotC hasn't put out much 3.0 stuff for us GH fans. :D
I have the LGG, but that's pretty much it from what I've seen...and I bought "The Adventure Begins" to at least have some background on the City of Greyhawk to use as the begining of the adventure.
I'm lucky that Dungeon has had issues covering Hardby, Diamond Lake, and Istivin...so maybe there is hope yet for GH.
I'll post my campaign path if anyone is interested once I assemble it.
* I came to despise that adventure by the end of it.
Bring back Planescape!!!!
I have been away from the boards for a long time, but have to weigh in now. I have been gaming for more years than I want to remember; my first campaign was Greyhawk. Of course back then, that's all there was. But since that time I have tried everything that TSR and WoTC has published, and I do mean everything
from Frealms and Dark Sun to Alternity and Metamorphasis Alpha. And I keep coming back to my jealously horded Greyhawk materials.I run an exclusively Greyhawk home group as well as a Greyhawk online play-by-post (looking for a game?
) And I will continue doing so, because I love the setting for any number of reasons. The detailed history and canon are a great help to me, while enough of GH is grey; I can add all I like. The Black Dragon Inn has become the focal point of both my campaigns, for instance, and I have detailed it's denizens and layout to excruciating degree of detail.I still check out new worlds, new products--if for no other reason than to keep current and to troll for ideas. I do like Eberron, and some non-WoTC products, but will probably just continue to pick up the books for reading purposes only. It's Greyhawk I love, and my players feel the same way. So please, please don't give up on the Oerth. For us it can never die. But we'd love to have something, ANYTHING new...
Thanks
I have to say that I've always loved Greyhawk, and running a game in it has made me love it all the more! I try to keep the game in sync with LG, but the information that comes out of LG is so disjoint, and so reliant on the modules, most of which I have no access to, I have to give up at some point and just say that the compatibility is "good enough".
Thought I would reply to this. I have been playing in Greyhawk for a couple of decades now. I have set campaigns in Hochoch (Keep on the Borderlands, The Horror on the Hill, Against the Cult of the Reptile God, I2), Verbobonc (the Temple of Elemental Evil + When a Star Falls), the Wild Coast/Pomarj (Slavelords), and have played/Dmed most of the other "classic" modules. Currently I am running through a campaign set in Onnwal (unsurprisingly).
Creighton
Plotwise, the characters prevented a border war between the Pale and Nyrond orchestrated by agents of Iuz and Hextor; recovered the Wagon of Lareth from Castle Greyhawk for King Archbold III, escaping one of Iuz's prison camps and rescuing the wagon from the clutches of Cranzer of Riftcrag in the process (oh and accidentily sending Riftcrag into the Rift); Rescuing Crown Prince Lynwerd from a group of Hextorite kidnappers and returning him to Rel Mord in time to be crowned instead of his brother (Archbold having suffered a fatal "accident" while hunting); Fought in a winter campaign to reclaim the Flinty Hills from the Bone March; Travelled into the Rakers to find a Dwur city cut off for centuries to persuade them to ally with Nyrond against a Bone Marcher invasion; Fought against the Bone March at the First Siege of Womtham and at the subsequent Battle of Shinaery's Field (north-east of Rel Mord) where the Bone Marcher horde was destroyed by Nyrond, the Dwur of the Rakers, the olve of the Gamboge and the forces of the North Kingdom (!); Travelled into the Yatils to find an artifact that could summon Tiamat to the Oerth, then rushed to the Pillers of Azor Alq to prevent it being used for that purpose there, having been duped by a disguised Cranzer of Riftcrag (who was killed); Fought against the army of the Mak laying siege to the Free City of Greyhawk; Journeyed into the Suss and the Lortmils to recover hundreds of Greyhawker citizens carried off by a strange twisted race of Olve; Helped to overthrow a Pholtine theocracy that established it's rule in Greyhawk City; Fought against fiend and Pholtine alike in the fields of Tenh; Were employed by King Lynwerd to uncover a deep rooted conspiracy against his rule and his house among certain noble houses in Nyrond; Took part in a cleansing of powerful and ancient undead in the partially rebuilt ruins of Womtham; Mounted an expedition into the heart of the Griff/Rakers to recover a cache of ancient arms and armour for Nyrond and her Tenha refugee allies; Fought at the Second Siege of Womtham against the forces of Duke Szeffrin of Al Mor, where the duke was slain and Nyrond was victorious, but at the grevious cost of the flower of Nyrondese nobility and chivalry, who lay dead upon the field. And that's where we're up to now.
Phew!
Hey! Don't forget about this thread! *I know I am like the plague...* :D
Okay, okay!
It's been over 15 years since I've run GH, and I'm about to begin a new campaign in GH. I began with thoughts of using Shackled City, but after reading through it, I found my notebook of changes becoming fatter and fatter. It's not my cup of tea.
So back to the drawing board I went. It didn't take long before I discovered what EGG was up to these days with Castle Zagyg: Yggsburgh. I started reading about it, but then I was like -- Oh, man, but why couldn't he have done it in d20 3.5e? And what the heck is Castles & Crusades?
The I started to do some research, and my curiosity turned into fascination with it all. Long story short, my GH campaign is CY 576, set in Yggsburgh, using the C&C rules system.
I'm old-school, baby, but not as die-hard about it as some others are. I am willing to look at stuff that is post 1985. Of course the '83 GH boxed set is the bible of my campaign, but some authors (and fans for that matter -- some of whom are better writers than some of the published authors) have contrinuted some decent materials after EGG's departure from T$R.
That's my GH, in a nutshell.
--Ghul
Where are you putting Yggsburg?
Good question. The man himself, EGG, has suggested that GH fans using CZ: Yggsburgh may want to consider placing Yggsburgh south of GH city, where the Ery River meets the Neen River. To do this would require a bit of improvisation with geography and the re-assignment of proper place names. I have chosen to do it as such:
Neemo River = Neen River
Urt River = Ery River
I figure locals of the Yggsburgh region may have different names for these rivers than what is indicated on "official" maps. That's my excuse; your speed may vary.
Also, Dunfalcon is to be the local name for Dyvers, even though the name implies it would be Greyhawk. The reason I do this is because all the literature in the CZ: Yggsburgh book notes that Dunfalcon is about 300 miles west. Since the GH maps show Dyvers at this location, and GH is about 60 miles north, it only makes sense to have Dunfalcon (again) be the name that locals of Yggsburgh refer to when speaking of Dyvers.
That said, you can really put Yggsburgh wherever the heck you want. I think it's easily ported.
--Ghul
BUT I want to ask every player, dungeon master or rpg enthusiast for Greyhawk who's presently browsing on these boards, to post here and tell us what was the last Greyhawk - related thing he/she did, when he/she played a Greyhawk adventure the last time and if he or she is going to do so in the future!
Rafael
I just filled in some of the gaps in my collection of 1st Edition modules. WG4, I2, C1. Just wanted to keep this thread alive.
My current group used to be Good/Neutral, but after being captured and sold as slaves/gladiators, took the offer of one of the retired PCs from our old campaign (fighter/cleric of Hextor) and swore allegiance to him in exchange for freedom, with some resulting alignment changes. The cleric of Heironeous became a cleric of Hextor (he is now at the top of the most wanted list of the church of Heironeous!), the paladin became a blackguard, a rogue became an assassin. All of the party accepted except for a warrior who retired the character that remained a slave, and a rogue (me!) who also retired the character. The warrior now plays a wizard, and I play a druid.
Once we finish this campaign we plan on playing the Shackled City Adventure Path, also setting it in Greyhawk. Hopefully we can have that one also tie in historically with our existing and old campaign.
The only other campaign world we tried was Dark Sun, and while it was pretty cool especially because it was so different, nothing has ever compared to Greyhawk.
I hope we see published material for the setting some day. Setting-specific prestige classes such as the Knights of the Hart, Knights of the Shield, etc. would be great to have!
Greyhawk is one of, by far, the best settings to play in simply because of its simple-at-a-glance veneer, framing an otherwise overwhelmingly complex atmosphere of politics, religion, economic and social conflict.
It is by far, upon reflection, my 2nd favorite setting, tied with Krynn, following close on the heels of Planescape.
My fondest memories are importing Planar characters back into greyhawk, and having their reactions to seeing the looks on "normal" commonfolk at these half-fiends, half-celestlias and children of Elementals.
And of course, the Classics never Die.
White Plume Mountain, Keep on the Borderlands, Against the Giants.
We Remember Our Fallen.
Semper Fi: Knights of the Great Kingdom. Sticking it to all 'comers since 'back in the day.
Most of our group was hard pressed to switch from 2nd edition to 3.0!
Ecla
If Greyhawk books or products were to be sold again. I would buy everyone of them.
GREYHAWK IS MY LIFE!!
What system are you using, if I might ask?
DragonQuest. It is very out of print. But I have also used GURPS rules in Greyhawk.
Just saying that makes me feel old for some reason.
Hello my friends on the WotC boards,
Now, in this thread, I don't want to discuss the pros and cons of the current estate WoG is in, with the LG campaign running etc. BUT I want to ask every player, dungeon master or rpg enthusiast for Greyhawk who's presently browsing on these boards, to post here and tell us what was the last Greyhawk - related thing he/she did, when he/she played a Greyhawk adventure the last time and if he or she is going to do so in the future!
Maybe the line may never be relaunched, maybe the only thing we'll ever get will be short references in *generic* rulebooks, but maybe we can show the officials that we're still out there!
Maybe it will never be as it was, but there's still a bunch of gamers that enjoys one of the greatest rpg settings ever created!
Rafael
After some GURPS, Cuthulhu one-offs, etc finished, we (that is my gaming circle, not the royal we) decided to give the new version of DnD a go. Fell into default role of Ref/DM, and am now running a WoG campaign. Last game - last Sunday, next game – next Sunday. All things being well it’ll run for a couple of years at least.
What can I say, there really is only one official setting I’ve ever ran or am likely to run DnD wise.
As to the last Greyhawk related thing I did.... earlier tonight I was rooting around various source books, old dragons, etc to dig out certain info for a "Greyhawk for dummies" handout, focused on campaign relevant areas and issues, for the players who aren't familiar with it all.
P.S
It worked out very well, but I use the 2nd edition published by SPI along with some of the rules from the Thieves' World supplement published by Chaosium.
Just saying that makes me feel old for some reason.
heh heh funny enough I still occassionally plunder the Thieves' World stuff when I'm getting a city based adventure set up
And as to feeling old... I aim to be gaming till they pry the last d8 from my cold dead hands!
Always thought RPG's would be the ideal stuff for the retirement home communal rooms (I'm not quite there yet mind you) - not too strenuous, keeps the brain ticking over, etc etc. :D
I started in Greyhawk went to forgotten realms for a decade and am now back home in Greyhawk. eberron to me is laughable, I would never run or play that much less pay for a book from that setting.
It is set in 576 CY. I used the old D&D Castle Amber in between (I just love that crazy story). My group of four just finished A2. They seem to think they are finished now, not having discovered the onward-leading clues yet
I´m using 3.5 rules, I think they are ok.I´m not yet decided which direction the campaign will go afterwards, either Queen of the Spiders or something about the Scarlet Brotherhood.
I´ve been collecting Greyhawk material since about 1988 or so, and got most of the game relating material to date. The novels are somewhat hard to get in Europe, and the 1980 Folio also, it seems.
Stefan
I´m not yet decided which direction the campaign will go afterwards, either Queen of the Spiders or something about the Scarlet Brotherhood.
Stefan
The Queen of Spiders (GDQ1-7) has a connection from the Scourge of the Slavelords mods.
The Queen of Spiders (GDQ1-7) has a connection from the Scourge of the Slavelords mods.
yep and it is good stuff.
Stefan
Thats the long term plan for my campaign but as we all know no plan survives contact with the players. ;)
Running a Greyhawk game for about a year now. Currently in Gradsul about to put my players through Dungeon Magazines latest Challenge of Champions.
Please sir, may I have some more Greyhawk material....
(The orphan master looks outraged)
More!! You want MORE!!
We keep the spirit alive by talking about past games and laughing how the younger generation thinks the new books, worlds, systems hitting the shelves are new material. Reminds me when the scooters with handle bars made a come back last year. All the kids thought it was a new invention! LOL. Sigh....
Personally I don't wait for new GH material. I've been creating new material for 20 plus years now. If my friends or I need inspiration we look at other gaming systems such as the white wolf system, or cyberpunk etc. That does mean I won't purchase d20 products... no, but I will purchase only those books I think will enhance my GH campaign.
I'm first and foremost a DM, and have been for many, many moons...
That say'd, my newest group is pretty new to D&D in general, so I've been slowly introducing them to Greyhawk.
I use bought adventures for the most part, and set them all on Oerth.
My players were skeptical at first, but ever since Dungeon put out that massive 'killer' map o' the Flanaess, they can't get enough of the world!
Vegepygmies unite!
;) So, no new Hawkers in a while... How's it going?
although I've shifted to and fro many D&D campaign settings over 10 long years (planescape, dark sun, FR, ravenloft, the hunt - this one from mystic eye games - , greyhawk) only Greyhawk and Dark Sun really found their way into my heart and to the top of my players' preferences.
I would certainly purchase Greyhawk specific material, should it be really SPECIFIC and not some more bland flavor-lacking generic stuff which could "easily fit into most existing campaign settings" , but I understand that wizards will probably never do such a thing.
I currently run a campaign centered around the classic "keep on the Borderlands" and it's probably the finest DM experience I've had in years
add that to my last year's "shackled city" campaign (although I found it waaaay too rules heavy)
and to my 2004 "temple of elemental evil" (the original one from the big guy - Gary Gygax) campaign
plus Many future projects which include the Istivin adventure path from Dungeon, the Falcon Trilogy (remember anyone?) campaign & the slavers
finally I should add that all my campaigns are based on strictly weekly scheduled sessions
and you'll probably figure out that I am REALLY in love with all this old material and my players (average 5-6) quite enjoy it too
If only those LG gazetteers were most widely distributed and not only as a gift for LG members...
...anyway...
hails to all Greek RPG junkies out there!!
Now that I've finally graduated, I'm going to DM again. 2 zombie kids (just 'cause all kids are crappy, and teenagers are worse, and teenagers are brain dead, they can't really be classified as "alive"), and school just didn't leave time for planning a campaign and each session - when I worked at the college I pretty much spent 8 hrs a week (on the clock) working my game, so I had time to do it. Now I'm looking for work at the college again (so I have time to plan the campaign!), but even if I don't there is a difference between coming home from work and coming home from class and doing homework.
When I've done "modules" or edits of modules from Dungeon, I've always used Greyhawk and whatever environs the module. But I've often wondered about people using the Spider-Queen supermodule. You really have to travel from city to city, and in some cases from region to region. In the olden days - when I wasn't a zombie (cause I played D&D, so I couldn't have been brain dead), we ran through the module and pretty much left out the front door and began A2 ,and then moved to A3 and so forth.
So much simplier. Sometimes I wish I could go back to that, and yesterdays modules kinda helped facilitate that, whereas the latest Dungeon adventure is so much more thought out. I've decided that since my players don't generally really care much about the whole backstory and underlining plots and irritatnt that they did to some minor baker that is really a spy for someone important, that I may want to go back to a simplier time as well.
So what do you guys do when using the super modules? Do you go from Session 6 and ending A1 to session 7 and the opening bell of A2 or are you making them travel from Narwell to Safeton (or whatever city, I just remember those 2 off the top of my head) as an in-between filler?
If you update them to 3.5 rules, do you also update them to the current timeline (590 or 596 [the only good thing I think the RPGA has done]). If you do move the timeline and kinda make the A series as either it never happened back in the day, or this is new people (the names of the past ppl are changed - or as in my case, the players likely wouldn't know the difference) or do you do something else.
Thanks for your input.
Be Well.
Theocrat
So what do you guys do when using the super modules?
Theocrat
I ran the A1-4 series and am now running Q1-7, so I can give you my experiences.
As far as travel between modules, I do do it, mainly for leveling up and getting done the stuff that logically doesn't occur in the dungeon. Usually there is 2 to 3 in-between sessions where people train, buy gear, follow leads, etc. Really though the connections between each module are straight forward, often just a map leading right to the next dungeon. G2 even had a teleporter that lead straight to the start of G3 (I took that out, it seemed cheesy).
So I do make them travel, but it usually is very abbreviated. I'm not a fan of rolling on wandering monster tables every day. I like to get to the dungeon. As far as the filler the super module compilation adds, I pick and choose. I played the A series from the original modules, I didn't think it needed much embellishment. I played the G's from the originals as well, but now that we're moving into the D series I'm using some background from the Queen of Spiders super.
Geographically both the slavers and queen of spiders are in or near the sheldomar valley region, so the travel isn't excessive.
Timeline wise, I'm playing it really loose. The campaign started at 591, just for the convenience of using the LGG, but pretending the events of the old modules haven't happened yet.
We are playing with the 3.5 ruleset, but since I'm familiar with 1e I can convert them pretty much on the fly.
I get what you are saying about the 'old school feel'. I like to add a bit of 'stuff' (travel, roleplaying, npc's, intrique, etc) but the focus of my game is definitlely kick in the door style, get down in the dungeon, kill stuff and take their loot.
Conshey
When the Age of Worms campaign concludes, I plan to launch a Castle Greyhawk campaign with a 1st edition feel to it. I will use a hybrid of 1e/3e rules (I feel most 2e changes were a step in the wrong direction) that favor 1e character creation methods and 3e combat mechanics. I will slow down the accumulation of XP to about 1/4 the rate of 3.5 to let players have more time to get attached to their characters and less time to worry about leveling up. I plan to use some of old AD&D adventures for some exciting side treks for the campaign.
However, Greyhawk is still far from being forgotten, and maybe, one day, we will see it completely resurrected again.
Yeah, I know... GEEK!!!!! :D
Having a solid 1.0 foundation, upgraded with 2.0, 3.0, and 3.5 material, I use what helps my game, leave what doesn't.
Since Psionics originated in the AD&D PHB, we use the Expanded Psionics Handbook (as well as stuff from Complete Psionic and Secrets of Sarlonna), the Drow (and half-Drow) as PC's started in the TSR AD&D edition of Unearthed Arcanna, so we swipe that from the FR hardcover (and Races of Faerun book).
Rules give you the foundation to PLAY in the game, but the flavor text gives you the information and inspiration to BE in the game. Unfortunately, most of the Greyhawk stuff has been written in a very... dry manner. I've found that amongst D&D players (of various editions) that this is why many flee to the nearest alternate setting as soon as they can. (That, and magpie syndrome "Oooh, SHINY!") If WoG's 'flavor' text was written in a more prose-like style, we'd win back the majority of the FR kids (not sure if we really want back the Eberron kids, though... go play with your psionic robot PC elsewhere...)
(joking)
To put things another way-
Forgotten Realms is... nice...
Eberron is... bloody weirder than Planescape, really (magical robot PC's?)...
...but Greyhawk is HOME
Started my Greyhawk campaign in 1980 back when there were no other campaign worlds (not formal ones, anyways). Never turned back. Its been a continuous unbroken timeline since then with new PCs hearing about the exploits of past PCs a (real) quarter century ago! My players have also ventured into Planescape and Spelljammer, (after all, I am responsible for officially placing published connections to the World Serpent Inn in both cities of Greyhawk and Irongate.... Bwaaahahaha!!!) but my campaign and most of the PCs therein are all still Greyhawk-based. Greyhawk Rules!
Denis, aka "Maldin"
Maldin's Greyhawk http://melkot.com
Loads of edition-independent Greyhawk goodness... maps, magic, mysteries, mechanics, and more!
I carried this idea through when I DMd my own campaigns.
ROB
I was extatic when Dungeon Issues 118-121 came out with the 4 parts to Greyhawk World Map. Resources like that have been stumbled upon so few and far between. Now that we are coming into a renewing (new era) of the game worlds, much of the bits and pieces I had gathered before are no longer accurate for the current canon.
While I do play Forgotten Realms games more because the information is easier to find. I truly desire to have resources revealed that are just as informative and useful for the Greyhawk setting, as the multitude of Forgotten Realms setting resources.
I hope my post here will find viewing by people who either can tell me specifically what current resources (beyong the core books) are available for Greyhawk aswell as where (actual links) I can find them. If there are not resources that have information like this then I hope that staff would take into deep consideration making a few comprehensive products for those who still love being able to use the original worlds as much as the the others.