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Serten's Deity

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#1
zombiegleemax
Jan 28, 2005 14:25:36 What deity was Ernie Gygax's character, Serten, a cleric of? I've tried doing some searches on this topic but I can't seem to find an answer. Thanks!
#2
erik_mona
Jan 28, 2005 14:55:45 In the D&D coloring book (by Gygax), he is listed as a cleric of St. Cuthbert (although he is called "Sertern" therein, so some people consider that a different character). In the LGJ 0 article on the Circle of Eight, Serten is named as a cleric of St. Cuthbert who died at Emridy Meadows.

--Erik
#3
zombiegleemax
Jan 28, 2005 17:21:26
What deity was Ernie Gygax's character, Serten, a cleric of? I've tried doing some searches on this topic but I can't seem to find an answer. Thanks!

In EGG's campaign, Serten was a cleric of the Powerhouse Church of the Presumptous Assumption of the Blinding Light. For publication, Gary came up with Pholtus (of the Blinding Light). Poztif, the non-trademark infringing equivalent to Serten in the later Gord novels, is known as “the Gleam of Pholtus”.
Scott
#4
zombiegleemax
Jan 29, 2005 1:54:10 Which is considered canon? Thanks for taking the trouble to answer the question. Personally, I find the similarities between Pholtus and St. Cuthbert to be somewhat redundant, but that's just me...
#5
zombiegleemax
Jan 29, 2005 7:13:52
Which is considered canon? Thanks for taking the trouble to answer the question. Personally, I find the similarities between Pholtus and St. Cuthbert to be somewhat redundant, but that's just me...

The fact that Serten worshipped Pholtus never appeared in any official publications, so St. Cuthbert would be the canon version, but if you're going by canon, Serten is dead, so it wouldn't make a difference.
St. Cuthbert was the 2nd god created for the setting (after Zagyg), and Pholtus was the third. The similarities are there on purpose. Pholtus was added to create a rivalry between the two god's followers.
Scott
#6
ripvanwormer
May 09, 2006 12:19:29
In the LGJ 0 article on the Circle of Eight, Serten is named as a cleric of St. Cuthbert who died at Emridy Meadows.

I can't find where it names his deity or even character class directly. I only see notes that he was "dim-witted but well-meaning" and "seen as useful" but "never truly respected."

Am I just missing it?
#7
zombiegleemax
May 10, 2006 11:08:55 While we're on it - how does this jive with references in GH Ruins and Ivid the Undying to Serten as an archmage? Isthere more than one Serten knocking around or was he multi-talented and multi/duel classed (or in 3.5E terms, a Mystic Theurge)?

This discussion is going on over on CF, so any inputs Mr Mona might have would be welcome (considering he pegged Serten as a Cleric of Cuthbert in LGJ 0).

P.
#8
erik_mona
May 11, 2006 17:43:01 The "Ring of Five" parts of Greyhawk Ruins are best ignored, as they were created by folks who were almost completely ignorant of any incarnation of Greyhawk, Gygax, TSR, or otherwise. They serve only to muddy the picture.

There's really a lot of crap in that module that is best left on the cutting room floor, imho. Therefore, the Serten of LGJ #0 bears absolutely no relation to the Serten in Greyhawk Ruins, who probably should not have existed in the first place.

--Erik
#9
zombiegleemax
May 13, 2006 11:01:30 Thanks for that insight, Erik.
So - there's two Sertens then - the cleric of Cuthbert and the archmage (who's mentioned in Ivid as well remember). This must be a first in fantasy settings - two characters with the same name! Who'd have thunk it? ;D

P.
#10
zombiegleemax
May 16, 2006 17:06:51 As long as there isn't an Eli Minster running around I am fine with another Serten, or Sertern.

I don't like to bash authors in general but that wizards three article in the latest Dragon was horrendously bad. Just my opinion of course.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jan 28, 2005 14:25:36	What deity was Ernie Gygax's character, Serten, a cleric of? I've tried doing some searches on this topic but I can't seem to find an answer. Thanks!
#2 erik_mona Jan 28, 2005 14:55:45	In the D&D coloring book (by Gygax), he is listed as a cleric of St. Cuthbert (although he is called "Sertern" therein, so some people consider that a different character). In the LGJ 0 article on the Circle of Eight, Serten is named as a cleric of St. Cuthbert who died at Emridy Meadows. --Erik
#3 zombiegleemax Jan 28, 2005 17:21:26	What deity was Ernie Gygax's character, Serten, a cleric of? I've tried doing some searches on this topic but I can't seem to find an answer. Thanks! In EGG's campaign, Serten was a cleric of the Powerhouse Church of the Presumptous Assumption of the Blinding Light. For publication, Gary came up with Pholtus (of the Blinding Light). Poztif, the non-trademark infringing equivalent to Serten in the later Gord novels, is known as “the Gleam of Pholtus”. Scott
#4 zombiegleemax Jan 29, 2005 1:54:10	Which is considered canon? Thanks for taking the trouble to answer the question. Personally, I find the similarities between Pholtus and St. Cuthbert to be somewhat redundant, but that's just me...
#5 zombiegleemax Jan 29, 2005 7:13:52	Which is considered canon? Thanks for taking the trouble to answer the question. Personally, I find the similarities between Pholtus and St. Cuthbert to be somewhat redundant, but that's just me... The fact that Serten worshipped Pholtus never appeared in any official publications, so St. Cuthbert would be the canon version, but if you're going by canon, Serten is dead, so it wouldn't make a difference. St. Cuthbert was the 2nd god created for the setting (after Zagyg), and Pholtus was the third. The similarities are there on purpose. Pholtus was added to create a rivalry between the two god's followers. Scott
#6 ripvanwormer May 09, 2006 12:19:29	In the LGJ 0 article on the Circle of Eight, Serten is named as a cleric of St. Cuthbert who died at Emridy Meadows. I can't find where it names his deity or even character class directly. I only see notes that he was "dim-witted but well-meaning" and "seen as useful" but "never truly respected." Am I just missing it?
#7 zombiegleemax May 10, 2006 11:08:55	While we're on it - how does this jive with references in GH Ruins and Ivid the Undying to Serten as an archmage? Isthere more than one Serten knocking around or was he multi-talented and multi/duel classed (or in 3.5E terms, a Mystic Theurge)? This discussion is going on over on CF, so any inputs Mr Mona might have would be welcome (considering he pegged Serten as a Cleric of Cuthbert in LGJ 0). P.
#8 erik_mona May 11, 2006 17:43:01	The "Ring of Five" parts of Greyhawk Ruins are best ignored, as they were created by folks who were almost completely ignorant of any incarnation of Greyhawk, Gygax, TSR, or otherwise. They serve only to muddy the picture. There's really a lot of crap in that module that is best left on the cutting room floor, imho. Therefore, the Serten of LGJ #0 bears absolutely no relation to the Serten in Greyhawk Ruins, who probably should not have existed in the first place. --Erik
#9 zombiegleemax May 13, 2006 11:01:30	Thanks for that insight, Erik. So - there's two Sertens then - the cleric of Cuthbert and the archmage (who's mentioned in Ivid as well remember). This must be a first in fantasy settings - two characters with the same name! Who'd have thunk it? ;D P.
#10 zombiegleemax May 16, 2006 17:06:51	As long as there isn't an Eli Minster running around I am fine with another Serten, or Sertern. I don't like to bash authors in general but that wizards three article in the latest Dragon was horrendously bad. Just my opinion of course.