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Kreen Attacks

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#1
zombiegleemax
Jan 28, 2005 15:03:17 Assumptions: Thri-Kreen Fighter Level 15 (ECL 18), Str 14, Dex 20, feats: Improved US, TWF, Improved TWF, Greater TWF, Multiattack, proficiency with gythka.

1a) Combat Style: two normal gythkas + natural attacks
1b) Combat Style: unarmed strikes + natural attacks
1c) Combat Style: unarmed strikes (primary) + unarmed strikes ("off-hand") + natural attacks
1d) Combat Style: two daggers + unarmed strikes (primary) + unarmed strikes ("off-hand") + natural attacks

Question A: How many attacks does the Kreen get with each style and what are the bonuses to hit and damage for each?

Question B: Can a Thri-Kreen gain AC benefits from wielding multiple shields?

One of my players expressed interest in a Kreen fighter and I want to be prepared for it. I have my own opinion on this, but I would really like to see what other DM's have come up with. Can someone help me out?
#2
Torack
Jan 28, 2005 15:55:01 Answer A: The same as a normal Thri-Kreen would.

Answer B: My guess would be no. Shields, in all, actuality only cover part of your body. As such, even if you used multiple towershields your character will still only be able to cover part of his body.
#3
murkaf
Jan 28, 2005 16:19:02
Question A: How many attacks does the Kreen get with each style and what are the bonuses to hit and damage for each?

Check in the official FAQ:
3.5 FAQ

There are some good examples of how to deal with this.
(They use a lizardman and feats from Savage Secies which are, I believe, included in MM 3.5)
#4
zombiegleemax
Jan 28, 2005 17:30:14 I saw in the FAQ where it dealt with a standard two-armed creature mingling a natural attack with a weapon but I could not see where it dealt with a four armed creature.

Sorry to "bug". A friend pointed me to the MultiWeapon Fighting feat that takes care of the problem nicely. All attacks penalized -4 but the extra arms add 1 attack each. Combining MultiWeapon Fighting with Improved Multiweapon and Greater Multiweapon as logical extensions, each adding one attack, I come up with:

a Kreen fighter 15 (BAB 17, including monstrous HD) using 4 daggers-

+13/+8/+3/-2 primary weapon and +13/+8/+3 secondary weapon and +13 and +13 for the remaining daggers and +12 bite

looks pretty reasonable
#5
superpriest
Jan 28, 2005 17:40:33
Assumptions: Thri-Kreen Fighter Level 15 (ECL 18), Str 14, Dex 20, feats: Improved US, TWF, Improved TWF, Greater TWF, Multiattack, proficiency with gythka.

A thri-kreen probably shouldn't take IUS, but I see what you're going for. I'm pretty sure what I outlined below for unarmed strikes is correct. And a creature with that many arms needs Multiweapon Fighting, and Improved and Greater versions.

1a) Combat Style: two normal gythkas + natural attacks
1b) Combat Style: unarmed strikes + natural attacks
1c) Combat Style: unarmed strikes (primary) + unarmed strikes ("off-hand") + natural attacks
1d) Combat Style: two daggers + unarmed strikes (primary) + unarmed strikes ("off-hand") + natural attacks

Question A: How many attacks does the Kreen get with each style and what are the bonuses to hit and damage for each?

1a) Atk +17 melee (1d8+2, gythka); Full Atk gythka +15/+10/+5 melee (1d8+2) and +15/+10/+5 melee (1d8+1, 3 offhand gythkas) and +15 melee (1d4+1 plus poison, bite)

1b) Atk +17 melee (1d4+2, claw); Full Atk +17 melee (1d4+2, 4 claws) and +15 melee (1d4+1 plus poison, bite)

1c) Atk +17 melee (1d4+2, unarmed strike); Full Atk +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+2, unarmed strike) and +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+1, 3 offhand unarmed strikes) and +15 melee (1d4+1 plus poison, bite)

1d) Atk +17 melee (1d4+2/19-20, dagger); Full Atk +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+2/19-20, dagger) and +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+1/19-20, offhand dagger) and +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+1, 2 offhand unarmed strikes) and +15 melee (1d4+1 plus poison, bite)

Question B: Can a Thri-Kreen gain AC benefits from wielding multiple shields?

No. Though doing a lot of shield bashes would be fun.
#6
zombiegleemax
Jan 31, 2005 9:59:00
Sorry to "bug". A friend pointed me to the MultiWeapon Fighting feat that takes care of the problem nicely. All attacks penalized -4 but the extra arms add 1 attack each. Combining MultiWeapon Fighting with Improved Multiweapon and Greater Multiweapon as logical extensions, each adding one attack, I come up with:

I have the same problem with a kreen PC in the group I DM. Multiweapon Fighting sure is quite some feat to have for a kreen player, but in the MM it states that this feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat. And Improved as well as Greater Multiweapon fighting both need Two-Weapon Fighting as a prerequisite. So both are not available for kreen.
And I have yet to see an official 3.5 source with Improved Multiweapon and Greater Multiweapon feats. (If you know one, please correct me, as I don't have all 3.5 books at hand at the moment).
#7
murkaf
Jan 31, 2005 10:25:27
Question B: Can a Thri-Kreen gain AC benefits from wielding multiple shields?

No. Though doing a lot of shield bashes would be fun.

AND it costs less if you add magical/psionic enhancements to 4 shields than adding those on one...
(bashing, resistance, reflective, ghost touch, etc...)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jan 28, 2005 15:03:17	Assumptions: Thri-Kreen Fighter Level 15 (ECL 18), Str 14, Dex 20, feats: Improved US, TWF, Improved TWF, Greater TWF, Multiattack, proficiency with gythka. 1a) Combat Style: two normal gythkas + natural attacks 1b) Combat Style: unarmed strikes + natural attacks 1c) Combat Style: unarmed strikes (primary) + unarmed strikes ("off-hand") + natural attacks 1d) Combat Style: two daggers + unarmed strikes (primary) + unarmed strikes ("off-hand") + natural attacks Question A: How many attacks does the Kreen get with each style and what are the bonuses to hit and damage for each? Question B: Can a Thri-Kreen gain AC benefits from wielding multiple shields? One of my players expressed interest in a Kreen fighter and I want to be prepared for it. I have my own opinion on this, but I would really like to see what other DM's have come up with. Can someone help me out?
#2 Torack Jan 28, 2005 15:55:01	Answer A: The same as a normal Thri-Kreen would. Answer B: My guess would be no. Shields, in all, actuality only cover part of your body. As such, even if you used multiple towershields your character will still only be able to cover part of his body.
#3 murkaf Jan 28, 2005 16:19:02	Question A: How many attacks does the Kreen get with each style and what are the bonuses to hit and damage for each? Check in the official FAQ: 3.5 FAQ There are some good examples of how to deal with this. (They use a lizardman and feats from Savage Secies which are, I believe, included in MM 3.5)
#4 zombiegleemax Jan 28, 2005 17:30:14	I saw in the FAQ where it dealt with a standard two-armed creature mingling a natural attack with a weapon but I could not see where it dealt with a four armed creature. Sorry to "bug". A friend pointed me to the MultiWeapon Fighting feat that takes care of the problem nicely. All attacks penalized -4 but the extra arms add 1 attack each. Combining MultiWeapon Fighting with Improved Multiweapon and Greater Multiweapon as logical extensions, each adding one attack, I come up with: a Kreen fighter 15 (BAB 17, including monstrous HD) using 4 daggers- +13/+8/+3/-2 primary weapon and +13/+8/+3 secondary weapon and +13 and +13 for the remaining daggers and +12 bite looks pretty reasonable
#5 superpriest Jan 28, 2005 17:40:33	Assumptions: Thri-Kreen Fighter Level 15 (ECL 18), Str 14, Dex 20, feats: Improved US, TWF, Improved TWF, Greater TWF, Multiattack, proficiency with gythka. A thri-kreen probably shouldn't take IUS, but I see what you're going for. I'm pretty sure what I outlined below for unarmed strikes is correct. And a creature with that many arms needs Multiweapon Fighting, and Improved and Greater versions. 1a) Combat Style: two normal gythkas + natural attacks 1b) Combat Style: unarmed strikes + natural attacks 1c) Combat Style: unarmed strikes (primary) + unarmed strikes ("off-hand") + natural attacks 1d) Combat Style: two daggers + unarmed strikes (primary) + unarmed strikes ("off-hand") + natural attacks Question A: How many attacks does the Kreen get with each style and what are the bonuses to hit and damage for each? 1a) Atk +17 melee (1d8+2, gythka); Full Atk gythka +15/+10/+5 melee (1d8+2) and +15/+10/+5 melee (1d8+1, 3 offhand gythkas) and +15 melee (1d4+1 plus poison, bite) 1b) Atk +17 melee (1d4+2, claw); Full Atk +17 melee (1d4+2, 4 claws) and +15 melee (1d4+1 plus poison, bite) 1c) Atk +17 melee (1d4+2, unarmed strike); Full Atk +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+2, unarmed strike) and +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+1, 3 offhand unarmed strikes) and +15 melee (1d4+1 plus poison, bite) 1d) Atk +17 melee (1d4+2/19-20, dagger); Full Atk +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+2/19-20, dagger) and +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+1/19-20, offhand dagger) and +15/+10/+5 melee (1d4+1, 2 offhand unarmed strikes) and +15 melee (1d4+1 plus poison, bite) Question B: Can a Thri-Kreen gain AC benefits from wielding multiple shields? No. Though doing a lot of shield bashes would be fun.
#6 zombiegleemax Jan 31, 2005 9:59:00	Sorry to "bug". A friend pointed me to the MultiWeapon Fighting feat that takes care of the problem nicely. All attacks penalized -4 but the extra arms add 1 attack each. Combining MultiWeapon Fighting with Improved Multiweapon and Greater Multiweapon as logical extensions, each adding one attack, I come up with: I have the same problem with a kreen PC in the group I DM. Multiweapon Fighting sure is quite some feat to have for a kreen player, but in the MM it states that this feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat. And Improved as well as Greater Multiweapon fighting both need Two-Weapon Fighting as a prerequisite. So both are not available for kreen. And I have yet to see an official 3.5 source with Improved Multiweapon and Greater Multiweapon feats. (If you know one, please correct me, as I don't have all 3.5 books at hand at the moment).
#7 murkaf Jan 31, 2005 10:25:27	Question B: Can a Thri-Kreen gain AC benefits from wielding multiple shields? No. Though doing a lot of shield bashes would be fun. AND it costs less if you add magical/psionic enhancements to 4 shields than adding those on one... (bashing, resistance, reflective, ghost touch, etc...)