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What is/was the plane of Ordial?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Jan 30, 2005 18:21:34 What is/was the plane of Ordial, and how does it fit in with the rest of the cosmology? I'm new to Planescape, so any help would be appreciated.
#2
zombiegleemax
Jan 30, 2005 20:54:16 Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Ordial is the name given to the hypothesized third transitive plane ( Ethereal and Astral the other two) so that they would fit the all-encompassing Rule of Threes. I don't think there's ever been anything definitive written about it, but there's a lot of conjecture. Someone else fill the rest in for me. :D
#3
zombiegleemax
Jan 30, 2005 21:08:01 Dang, I failed my Bardic knowledge check for the specifics. So someone else can (and probably will) correct and expand on what I think I know.

[INDENT]The multiverse is generally divided by those who do such organizing into the Outer, Inner, and Prime Material planes. They are separate, each fulfilling their own purpose. But they are connected, by the Transitive Planes.

For years (pre-3e) there were two known transitive planes, called the Ethereal and the Astral. One allowed travel between the Inner and the Prime planes, the other between the Prime and Outer.

This bothered some sages, as the two transitive planes violated two of the major planar doctrines: the Unity of Rings and the Rule of Threes. So, these same sages decided, in order to complete the circle, there must be a way to travel between the Outer and Inner planes directly. This is the idea of the Ordial Plane.[/INDENT]

Of course, all of this changed with the 3/3.5e changes to the other two transitive planes.

--Edit: Dang, all that work and someone beat me to the punch.
#4
ohtar_turinson
Jan 30, 2005 22:41:20 The Ordial is a fan created plane, which I think was first posted on the Mimir-

http://www.mimir.net/main.shtml

Basically, I think the theory is that "something connects the prime and the outer planes (the Astral), and something links the inner and prime planes (ethereal)... so what links the outer and inner planes?" The answer? The ordial, which fits the rule of three.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jan 31, 2005 14:16:35 Theres actually a website called The Ordial Plane. It has an entire(Fan-made of coarse) description of the plane. One of my projects currently is to flesh out this Plane, with creatures of coarse(The plane is very hard to excess from the rest of the multiverse(Nobody knows why), so sites and towns would be almost impossible to find..
#6
ripvanwormer
Jan 31, 2005 14:56:01
Theres actually a website called The Ordial Plane. It has an entire(Fan-made of coarse) description of the plane.

http://pages.prodigy.net/shamilto/ordial.htm
#7
etiquette_gnome
Feb 16, 2005 3:14:34 I've always wondered if perhaps 3e's Plane of Shadow might fit the description now. It's supposedly much larger than its old demiplane status, and seems to be within ALL of the planes to a point. Not connecting the Outer and Inner Planes exculsively is an argument against this sentiment though.

I remember an old article that described the third transitive plane as a loop that made the entire setup look like an infinity symbol. It would extend from Outer to Inner, but touched the Prime halfway there. Pretty much a plane of the fey, who have strong reliance on belief and elemental ties (very Ordial arrangement).

Supposedly one could use that connection with the Plane of Shadow, to have it replace that theoretical plane of the fey. Shadows are technically not even existant, merely the outline of the lack of something. They are both real and primal elements of reality, yet are fundamentally not really existant as things on their own (technically, they are the only true two-dimensional things).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jan 30, 2005 18:21:34	What is/was the plane of Ordial, and how does it fit in with the rest of the cosmology? I'm new to Planescape, so any help would be appreciated.
#2 zombiegleemax Jan 30, 2005 20:54:16	Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Ordial is the name given to the hypothesized third transitive plane ( Ethereal and Astral the other two) so that they would fit the all-encompassing Rule of Threes. I don't think there's ever been anything definitive written about it, but there's a lot of conjecture. Someone else fill the rest in for me. :D
#3 zombiegleemax Jan 30, 2005 21:08:01	Dang, I failed my Bardic knowledge check for the specifics. So someone else can (and probably will) correct and expand on what I think I know. [INDENT]The multiverse is generally divided by those who do such organizing into the Outer, Inner, and Prime Material planes. They are separate, each fulfilling their own purpose. But they are connected, by the Transitive Planes. For years (pre-3e) there were two known transitive planes, called the Ethereal and the Astral. One allowed travel between the Inner and the Prime planes, the other between the Prime and Outer. This bothered some sages, as the two transitive planes violated two of the major planar doctrines: the Unity of Rings and the Rule of Threes. So, these same sages decided, in order to complete the circle, there must be a way to travel between the Outer and Inner planes directly. This is the idea of the Ordial Plane.[/INDENT] Of course, all of this changed with the 3/3.5e changes to the other two transitive planes. --Edit: Dang, all that work and someone beat me to the punch.
#4 ohtar_turinson Jan 30, 2005 22:41:20	The Ordial is a fan created plane, which I think was first posted on the Mimir- http://www.mimir.net/main.shtml Basically, I think the theory is that "something connects the prime and the outer planes (the Astral), and something links the inner and prime planes (ethereal)... so what links the outer and inner planes?" The answer? The ordial, which fits the rule of three.
#5 zombiegleemax Jan 31, 2005 14:16:35	Theres actually a website called The Ordial Plane. It has an entire(Fan-made of coarse) description of the plane. One of my projects currently is to flesh out this Plane, with creatures of coarse(The plane is very hard to excess from the rest of the multiverse(Nobody knows why), so sites and towns would be almost impossible to find..
#6 ripvanwormer Jan 31, 2005 14:56:01	Theres actually a website called The Ordial Plane. It has an entire(Fan-made of coarse) description of the plane. http://pages.prodigy.net/shamilto/ordial.htm
#7 etiquette_gnome Feb 16, 2005 3:14:34	I've always wondered if perhaps 3e's Plane of Shadow might fit the description now. It's supposedly much larger than its old demiplane status, and seems to be within ALL of the planes to a point. Not connecting the Outer and Inner Planes exculsively is an argument against this sentiment though. I remember an old article that described the third transitive plane as a loop that made the entire setup look like an infinity symbol. It would extend from Outer to Inner, but touched the Prime halfway there. Pretty much a plane of the fey, who have strong reliance on belief and elemental ties (very Ordial arrangement). Supposedly one could use that connection with the Plane of Shadow, to have it replace that theoretical plane of the fey. Shadows are technically not even existant, merely the outline of the lack of something. They are both real and primal elements of reality, yet are fundamentally not really existant as things on their own (technically, they are the only true two-dimensional things).