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#1
zombiegleemax
Jan 31, 2005 21:17:29 A while ago i saw a thread on galan dracos and that got me thinking about all of the very very cool characters that came out of the legend of huma book.

Wondered if anyone wanted to give Wyrmfather a crack , that guy must have been one hell of a bad ass at one point before he got all trapped in a mountain and stuff.

So any build/stats would be cool , just keep in mind that he was the origonal sire of the dragons and went toe to toe with Kiri Jolith so he had to be exceptionaly strong
#2
zombiegleemax
Jan 31, 2005 22:32:41
A while ago i saw a thread on galan dracos and that got me thinking about all of the very very cool characters that came out of the legend of huma book.

Wondered if anyone wanted to give Wyrmfather a crack , that guy must have been one hell of a bad ass at one point before he got all trapped in a mountain and stuff.

So any build/stats would be cool , just keep in mind that he was the origonal sire of the dragons and went toe to toe with Kiri Jolith so he had to be exceptionaly strong

Yeah, that battle sure sounded pretty epic between the Father of All Dragon's and Kiri-Jolith himself.....
#3
Nived
Jan 31, 2005 23:27:04 Well there are so many possibilities of what he 'could' be. I mean he really only appears in the legend of Huma and none of the other legends of draconic origin so I think the name 'wyrmfather' is a little lofty... but there are certainly a lot of things he could be.

He could be some kinda freaky proto-dragon.

He could be some freaky alien dragon (not like the overlords more like a unique spicies like the handful of shadow dragons that come in now and then.)

Or he could be exactly what he says he is (which I doubt) the father of all dragons.

Flipping through the Draconomicon though inspiration strikes and an idea which is humorous and poetic (to me at least). The Chaos Dragon from the Draconomicon, now stick with me here for a minute. What if before the High God inprisoned Ionthas (thus going completely loopy and declaring himself Chaos) maybe one of the things he did was create his own dragons. Wyrmfather being one of them. He's done it before (or technically later) with Fire Dragons and Frost Dragons... but what if his first go was something more fleshy... but still stupidly powerful (for Wyrmfather we throw on the overlord templates for kicks). Also Wyrmfather's appearance is easily explained since Chaos Dragons have no uniform apearance (they're all different).

Wyrmfather's power (it took a god to imprison it) and total lunacy (thinking its the father of all dragons) poetically is a lite version of Chaos himself. Stupidly powerful (took all the gods to defeat Chaos/Ionthas) and completely freaking loopy ("I am the father of all and nothing!")

There is of course, no official answer, this is off the top of my head while flipping through the Draconomicon... but hey... I like it. It'd also explain why the origin stories of the chromatics and metallics don't include Wyrmfather.
#4
daedavias_dup
Jan 31, 2005 23:43:10 I think he was a Fiendish Advanced Great Wyrm Green Dragon. Personally, I think he was just bat-guano freaking loco. Maybe a half-fiend Advanced Great Wyrm Green Dragon. I do like the idea of him being a Chaos Dragon, though. It would fit with the theme of Chaos thinking he was the father of all the gods and Wyrmfather thinking he was the father of all the dragons.

Considering the current canon with the origin of the dragons, we can rule out him actually being the father of all the dragons.
#5
talinthas
Feb 01, 2005 1:04:04 i think he was a construct created out of pure Chaos by the High God, and set to watch over the (whatever he was doing, i can't recall), since he most certainly isnt the proginator of dragonkind as far as canon is concerned =)
#6
jonesy
Feb 01, 2005 3:30:22 When I was doing the dragons in novels list I remember contacting Knaak about Wyrmfather. All I remember now was him being secretive about it and only saying that Wyrmfather was so old that his real color had faded away ages ago.
#7
Dragonhelm
Feb 01, 2005 9:37:58 When doing the comic, this presented a bit of a challenge as the statue of Wyrmfather showed him at his prime, while his appearance later has him as being more faded.

My solution was that he was a bit of an amalgam of all the chromatic dragon types.
#8
zombiegleemax
Feb 01, 2005 15:01:31 It's been a couple years since I read LoH, but from what I remember is that Wyrmfather was one of the very original dragons on Krynn. This is not to say that he was the father of the dragons because they Gods themselves created the dragons, but it makes him extremely old since he was around before time began.
Secondly, for some reason I seem to recall something about him not being a normal dragon. His shape and body type was different, he didn't have a particular color that linked him to modern dragons, and he was far beyond mortal dragons in power and might. I also think I remember them saying that his size dwarved all other dragons.

Anyway, he was sealed in that mountain after a monumentous battle with Kiri-Jolith so Wyrmfather must have been beyond what is attainable by other non-deity dragons of Krynn.
#9
cam_banks
Feb 01, 2005 15:15:39
Secondly, for some reason I seem to recall something about him not being a normal dragon. His shape and body type was different, he didn't have a particular color that linked him to modern dragons, and he was far beyond mortal dragons in power and might. I also think I remember them saying that his size dwarved all other dragons.

It also turned into a colossal chunk of dragonmetal when it died, which is the only time I recall that happening...

Cheers,
Cam
#10
Dragonhelm
Feb 01, 2005 16:20:42
It also turned into a colossal chunk of dragonmetal when it died, which is the only time I recall that happening...

That's because wyrmfather is part of Huma's legend. I imagine this is one of those historical facts that got beefed up through the legend through the years.

Another theory is that wyrmfather could have been transformed by Takhisis to become more powerful than other dragons of his type, whatever that may be.

Or, he's just a unique dragon, and a favorite of Takhisis.

Or, he had way too much Starbucks, another legend in its own time. ;)
#11
brimstone
Feb 01, 2005 23:59:47 Well...given the fact that there are multiple pools of dragonmetal around (not many...but more than one) I think that suggests that whatever wyrmfather was...he was alone.

I like the idea of a protodragon...created during the Age of Starbirth (or Twilight or whatever). And when they die...their bodies turn into liquid dragonmetal.

Just a thought.

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#1 zombiegleemax Jan 31, 2005 21:17:29	A while ago i saw a thread on galan dracos and that got me thinking about all of the very very cool characters that came out of the legend of huma book. Wondered if anyone wanted to give Wyrmfather a crack , that guy must have been one hell of a bad ass at one point before he got all trapped in a mountain and stuff. So any build/stats would be cool , just keep in mind that he was the origonal sire of the dragons and went toe to toe with Kiri Jolith so he had to be exceptionaly strong
#2 zombiegleemax Jan 31, 2005 22:32:41	A while ago i saw a thread on galan dracos and that got me thinking about all of the very very cool characters that came out of the legend of huma book. Wondered if anyone wanted to give Wyrmfather a crack , that guy must have been one hell of a bad ass at one point before he got all trapped in a mountain and stuff. So any build/stats would be cool , just keep in mind that he was the origonal sire of the dragons and went toe to toe with Kiri Jolith so he had to be exceptionaly strong Yeah, that battle sure sounded pretty epic between the Father of All Dragon's and Kiri-Jolith himself.....
#3 Nived Jan 31, 2005 23:27:04	Well there are so many possibilities of what he 'could' be. I mean he really only appears in the legend of Huma and none of the other legends of draconic origin so I think the name 'wyrmfather' is a little lofty... but there are certainly a lot of things he could be. He could be some kinda freaky proto-dragon. He could be some freaky alien dragon (not like the overlords more like a unique spicies like the handful of shadow dragons that come in now and then.) Or he could be exactly what he says he is (which I doubt) the father of all dragons. Flipping through the Draconomicon though inspiration strikes and an idea which is humorous and poetic (to me at least). The Chaos Dragon from the Draconomicon, now stick with me here for a minute. What if before the High God inprisoned Ionthas (thus going completely loopy and declaring himself Chaos) maybe one of the things he did was create his own dragons. Wyrmfather being one of them. He's done it before (or technically later) with Fire Dragons and Frost Dragons... but what if his first go was something more fleshy... but still stupidly powerful (for Wyrmfather we throw on the overlord templates for kicks). Also Wyrmfather's appearance is easily explained since Chaos Dragons have no uniform apearance (they're all different). Wyrmfather's power (it took a god to imprison it) and total lunacy (thinking its the father of all dragons) poetically is a lite version of Chaos himself. Stupidly powerful (took all the gods to defeat Chaos/Ionthas) and completely freaking loopy ("I am the father of all and nothing!") There is of course, no official answer, this is off the top of my head while flipping through the Draconomicon... but hey... I like it. It'd also explain why the origin stories of the chromatics and metallics don't include Wyrmfather.
#4 daedavias_dup Jan 31, 2005 23:43:10	I think he was a Fiendish Advanced Great Wyrm Green Dragon. Personally, I think he was just bat-guano freaking loco. Maybe a half-fiend Advanced Great Wyrm Green Dragon. I do like the idea of him being a Chaos Dragon, though. It would fit with the theme of Chaos thinking he was the father of all the gods and Wyrmfather thinking he was the father of all the dragons. Considering the current canon with the origin of the dragons, we can rule out him actually being the father of all the dragons.
#5 talinthas Feb 01, 2005 1:04:04	i think he was a construct created out of pure Chaos by the High God, and set to watch over the (whatever he was doing, i can't recall), since he most certainly isnt the proginator of dragonkind as far as canon is concerned =)
#6 jonesy Feb 01, 2005 3:30:22	When I was doing the dragons in novels list I remember contacting Knaak about Wyrmfather. All I remember now was him being secretive about it and only saying that Wyrmfather was so old that his real color had faded away ages ago.
#7 Dragonhelm Feb 01, 2005 9:37:58	When doing the comic, this presented a bit of a challenge as the statue of Wyrmfather showed him at his prime, while his appearance later has him as being more faded. My solution was that he was a bit of an amalgam of all the chromatic dragon types.
#8 zombiegleemax Feb 01, 2005 15:01:31	It's been a couple years since I read LoH, but from what I remember is that Wyrmfather was one of the very original dragons on Krynn. This is not to say that he was the father of the dragons because they Gods themselves created the dragons, but it makes him extremely old since he was around before time began. Secondly, for some reason I seem to recall something about him not being a normal dragon. His shape and body type was different, he didn't have a particular color that linked him to modern dragons, and he was far beyond mortal dragons in power and might. I also think I remember them saying that his size dwarved all other dragons. Anyway, he was sealed in that mountain after a monumentous battle with Kiri-Jolith so Wyrmfather must have been beyond what is attainable by other non-deity dragons of Krynn.
#9 cam_banks Feb 01, 2005 15:15:39	Secondly, for some reason I seem to recall something about him not being a normal dragon. His shape and body type was different, he didn't have a particular color that linked him to modern dragons, and he was far beyond mortal dragons in power and might. I also think I remember them saying that his size dwarved all other dragons. It also turned into a colossal chunk of dragonmetal when it died, which is the only time I recall that happening... Cheers, Cam
#10 Dragonhelm Feb 01, 2005 16:20:42	It also turned into a colossal chunk of dragonmetal when it died, which is the only time I recall that happening... That's because wyrmfather is part of Huma's legend. I imagine this is one of those historical facts that got beefed up through the legend through the years. Another theory is that wyrmfather could have been transformed by Takhisis to become more powerful than other dragons of his type, whatever that may be. Or, he's just a unique dragon, and a favorite of Takhisis. Or, he had way too much Starbucks, another legend in its own time. ;)
#11 brimstone Feb 01, 2005 23:59:47	Well...given the fact that there are multiple pools of dragonmetal around (not many...but more than one) I think that suggests that whatever wyrmfather was...he was alone. I like the idea of a protodragon...created during the Age of Starbirth (or Twilight or whatever). And when they die...their bodies turn into liquid dragonmetal. Just a thought.