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#1scipion_emilienFeb 01, 2005 14:06:44 | Whats books would be essential to start a PS campaign? I don t really know about PS but i am well versed in FR lore. I thougt it would be cool to start a PS experience, but i don t know what books are the reference (i play in 3.5). |
#2ohtar_turinsonFeb 01, 2005 14:35:41 | Most of the books available on Planescape are out of print- it was a second edition product. Manual of the Planes draws heavily on Planescape, but makes some changes that are seen as unnecessary by the old schoolers. I recommend the stuff over at www.planewalker.com They're doing a conversion of the old stuff to 3.5 If you want the 2ed stuff in .pdf form (which was mostly fluff anyway, and converts well for the most part) go to www.RPGNow.com and search planescape. The Planescape boxed set is the core book for that. |
#3CyrissFeb 01, 2005 14:38:35 | www.planewalker.com has 3.5 versions of planescape material. It's mostly the fluff right now but some crunchy stuff is slowly being added. The guys here are doing some great monster conversions a couple threads down (you can't miss it). Most of us probably still use the 2e Planescape books created by TSR in the 90's. I use them for the content. For 3e stats I use the 3e Manual of the Planes, 3.5 Planar Handbook, 3.5 monster conversions from this forum (and whatever monsters appear in official WotC monster manuals), and various NPC stats from planewalker.com. I use the 2e PS monster manuals just to show pictures to the players. For campaign setting fluff, refer to the 2e box set Planescape Campaign setting. If you want more detail about planar sites, then pick up the other box sets & books: Planes of Law boxset, Planes of Conflict boxset, Planes of Chaos boxset, Guide to the Astral book, Guide to the Ethereal book, Inner Planes book. That would be more than enough to have knowledge to run a game on the planes. The 3.x planar material done by WotC is questionable. Some stuff is useful, most of it isn't. Lots of it contradicts official 2e Planescape fluff. I had to tell my new players that they should forget whatever 3.x planar knowledge they have because it's Prime knowledge...it might be wrong. For example, one of my players once read in the 3e Manual of the Planes book that it doesn't rain in Sigil. I don't know why they wrote that because Sigil is known for it's dewy/rainy/drizzly climate. It might not rain hard, but there is lots of drizzle. I told him, "That's just what Primes think, Manual of the Planes was written by a Prime who doesn't know any better". I usually use 2e fluff first, 3e fluff second (if I find something good). |
#4scipion_emilienFeb 01, 2005 18:37:22 | I have some luck, it appear that one of my friend have bought the 2e edition planescape box. Another question, is the planar handbook a 3.5 reedition of the 3.0 manual of the plane? And what of those would worth the money for helping me building a campaign? |
#5CyrissFeb 01, 2005 18:55:11 | Another question, is the planar handbook a 3.5 reedition of the 3.0 manual of the plane? And what of those would worth the money for helping me building a campaign? Naw, they are 2 different things. The Manual of the Planes is mostly for the DM to use to learn about each plane and planar related information. The Planar Handbook is mostly for players to use to help build their characters and give them a little more info on planar related information. Although players and DM's can use a bit of info from both books. They aren't really impressive books, but they are worth having if you run a planar game. I've used bits from each book in my game. |
#6ohtar_turinsonFeb 01, 2005 18:58:06 | Another question, is the planar handbook a 3.5 reedition of the 3.0 manual of the plane? And what of those would worth the money for helping me building a campaign? Get the manual of the planes. The Planar Handbook wasn't very good by my standards... it was mostly feats and PrC that didn't work well. A lot of problems with it, and very much not in the spirit of planescape. Get the Manual of the Planes for 3.0/3.5 planar stuff- it's pretty well done, and probably my favorite 3.x purchase I've made since I started playing a few years ago. |
#7sildatorakFeb 02, 2005 4:58:23 | If you have 2e planescape stuff and a 3.5 DMG you won't need manual of the planes most likely. The planar traits in the DMG, a little imagination, and a little inspiration are all you really need to detail Planes sufficiently. Also, svgames has 2e Planescape PDF's for about $5 each, if you don't mind printing a lot of pages or can stand to stare at a computer screen for long periods of time. I'd try to get the main boxed set, Uncaged: Faces of Sigil, and The Factol's Manifesto in physical form, if you're planning on doing much with Sigil. They do a really good job of getting the flavor of the city across. As for the Planar Handbook, you can take it or leave it. I wouldn't recommend spending more than $15 on it. |
#8scipion_emilienFeb 02, 2005 14:46:31 | Thx all for your answer, I will see what i can do with the 2e planescape boxset and the three 3.5 core rule book. |
#9lord_zeb_02Feb 02, 2005 21:16:03 | Thx all for your answer, I will see what i can do with the 2e planescape boxset and the three 3.5 core rule book. Those should keep you going for quite a while. And as said above, the $5 PDFs aren't too shabby, especially for the hard to find stuff like Hellbound (an aside: I searched high and low for that thing, finally caved in and bought the PDF, only to move a few miles to a new town in December and find it sitting used & abused on the used bookstore's shelf! What a find! The only thing missing is the comic.) Have fun! Zeb |
#10zombiegleemaxFeb 03, 2005 1:38:52 | Those should keep you going for quite a while. And as said above, the $5 PDFs aren't too shabby, especially for the hard to find stuff like Hellbound (an aside: I searched high and low for that thing, finally caved in and bought the PDF, only to move a few miles to a new town in December and find it sitting used & abused on the used bookstore's shelf! What a find! The only thing missing is the comic.) I'm happy to say I soooo loved Planescape when it first came out I bought every gaming accessory for it. Course now its in storage until I move in two months... |
#11zombiegleemaxFeb 28, 2005 20:15:27 | Just in case you're interested, I've made a list of Planescape stuff I've found in 3.0 and 3.5. Manual of the Planes Book of Vile Darkness Book of Exalted Deeds 3.5 Dungeon Master's Guide Planar Handbook Dragon Magazines: #297 Planetouched Races; #287 The Planes. I don't have either of those Dragon magazines, so I don't know any specifics. Is that everything? I doubt it. |
#12keravinMar 01, 2005 3:36:13 | There's also the old Settings issue of Dragon as well. Not sure of number as I'm at work at the moment. |
#13Shemeska_the_MarauderMar 01, 2005 12:08:17 | There's also the old Settings issue of Dragon as well. Not sure of number as I'm at work at the moment. For what it's worth, someone at some point scanned in all of the Planescape relevant Dragon articles and posted them online as a single file. I've seen it on at least two or three filesharing programs. While technically illegal, and I urge people to buy the actual backissues if available from the publisher, it is out there somewhere apparently. Though the mind boggles at the work that went into that. I wish I had that level of motivation, but to use it for the powers of good. ;) |
#14korimyr_the_ratMar 01, 2005 17:51:24 | I'll second the core books plus Manual of the Planes, though I'm planning on finding those PDFs myself. (And perhaps eBaying for 2e materials I've long since given away.) I don't have the Planar Handbook yet, but from my limited interactions with it, I'd say it's not very good for Planescape. I'm planning on picking it up to strip-mine it. Planewalker.com does some good work. |
#15keravinMar 02, 2005 4:21:25 | I'd also just suggest googling around with words like Sigil, Planescape etc. I've found some great links and just idea mines out there. |
#16zombiegleemaxMar 10, 2005 6:19:26 | Just in case you're interested, I've made a list of Planescape stuff I've found in 3.0 and 3.5. Don't forget "Fractious Factions" in the same issue...six of the factions converted to prestige classes. I wrote it... You can find the 3E versions of the other factions at http://planehopping.tripod.com . |
#17Sanctum1972Mar 12, 2005 19:37:59 | Hey, the www.planewalker.com link does'nt work..what happened? Thanks, Adam |
#18ripvanwormerMar 12, 2005 20:47:31 | What happened is that links from the wizards boards often work very badly. Just cut and paste planewalker.com into the address bar of your browser. It works fine. |
#19Sanctum1972Mar 12, 2005 21:32:17 | What happened is that links from the wizards boards often work very badly. ROCK! The links works. I have the 2nd Ed Planescape set (box and all) and some accessories..my players loved it back then til we went to Ravenloft (long story). -Adam |