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Which Kreen do you prefer?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Feb 16, 2005 21:20:27 Which Kreen do you prefer? The original, very insectoid Kreen from the original material, or the more humanoid ones from the 3.5 material? And Why? I'm kinda torn on the subject myself, but lean more towards the original, but with legs more like the new ones. Thoughts?
#2
dawnstealer
Feb 17, 2005 0:00:39 Jeral over T'Kosa. It's that whole opposable thumb thing. I think you could attribute differences to mutations, and just use whichever you prefer. Personally, I like the old ones.
#3
zombiegleemax
Feb 17, 2005 0:31:46 no kreen is good kreen. good lord, 6 attacks! and psionics!
#4
zombiegleemax
Feb 17, 2005 1:19:48 The more I think about it, the more I think an amalgam of the 2E and 3.5 kreen would be ideal. The old ones had the whole mantis-body and abdominal pod going on, which was awesome, but they were always drawn in such a manner that they looked more like skin and bones than exoskeleton, especially in the arms. The new ones look appropriately chitinous and armored, but they have a freakin pelvis and no abdominal pod. Too humanoid. Hey Dawnstealer, howzabout you put those awesome talents to a quick sketch of a Kreen somewhere in between the two? The Idealized Kreen? Something with a proper exoskeleton, legs that actually look like they could support it, and the abdominal pod? I,and I'm sure others, would greatly appreciate it!
#5
korimyr_the_rat
Feb 17, 2005 2:31:15 I prefer the 3.5 Kreen-- they're closer to the way that Thri-Kreen were originally drawn, before Dark Sun came out.

That said, the incredible anatomical and cultural detail given to the race in Thri-Kreen of Athas has always stuck with me. They'll always be humanoid to me, but someone, somewhere, is always going to yell "Show me your thumbs!" before deciding whether or not the Kreen he meets on the road are friendly.
#6
the_peacebringer
Feb 17, 2005 8:50:04 I like classic stuff: Classic Coke(the drink, that is), Classic Rock, so yeah, I like the Classic Kreen better than the humanoid 3.5 one. I'm not usually superficial about these things, but it's definetly for the look. It's true though, a little more chitin strenghtening glucose would be welcome.
#7
zombiegleemax
Feb 17, 2005 12:37:44
I'm not usually superficial about these things, but it's definetly for the look. It's true though, a little more chitin strenghtening glucose would be welcome.

Yeah, I definetely am adamant about the chitin thing. No insect should have biceps. Bug muscles are cords on the insides of the exoskeleton, and it lumpy muscles on the outside gave them too much of a squishy look.
#8
Pennarin
Feb 17, 2005 13:04:03 [discussion time out]
Cool new avatar TerminusVortexa! I disliked the flying skull, this one is far cooler!
[/discussion time out]
#9
zombiegleemax
Feb 17, 2005 13:25:18 Thanks, Pennarin!
#10
ascian
Feb 20, 2005 16:14:26 I like the heads and general chitinous look of the new Kreen, and also found the abdominal pod too cumbersome-looking to imagine moving around with it. I do grant, though, that the new Kreen is a bit too humanoid. I'd like to see a slightly more hunched posture, and perhaps a smaller abdominal pod than the old sketches. I was also thrilled by the specific physiological differences, and would like to see those incorporated as well.
#11
zombiegleemax
Feb 20, 2005 17:32:36 I totally agree the pod should be smaller. The old ones dragged on the ground, and just looked too big and droopy. On a different note, the Kreen in the MMII would be perfect for the Zik'chil!
Waitaminit! I have the solution! Take the picture of the Kreen in the beginning of the ExPHB, bulk up the claws a bit, and add a VERTICALLY STANDING abdominal pod like the Tondi kreen in the back of Thri-Kreen of Athas, and you have the prefect Kreen! Dawnstealer, for the love of CHITIN, give us a sketch!!!!
#12
psiseveredhead
Feb 25, 2005 20:31:06 I wish John Dollar were still the artist. His thri-kreen (in Thri-kreen of Athas) were the best looking I have ever seen.
#13
zombiegleemax
Feb 26, 2005 0:12:23
VERTICALLY STANDING abdominal pod

The kinds of praying mantis that are common around where I live like to raise their abdominal sections when angry. I guess it makes them look a little more threatening (since its always a tad to one side or the other, thus adding fullness to their otherwise small bodies). I use the larger classical kreen in my games. The newer look is just to humanoid. Oh, and the muscles of kreen would definatly be internal, not external. Insect muscles are the complete opposite in structure than normal muscles; they push, rather than pull, which is what gives insects such massive strength pound for pound over any other animal. Seeing a kreen with bulging arms just makes me think of an artist that doesn't research his subjects.
#14
alhadis
Feb 28, 2005 19:54:36 I, for one, have NEVER been able to envision Thri-kreen as being anything but pure Dark Sun material. ;-_-; For that reason, I've *always* preferred classic DS statistics to 3rd-edition stats, but I'd still rather settle for third-edition then a poor conversion from AD&D (y'know, for reaosns I can't fathom, I'm always tempted to replace the ampersand in that acronym with a "H". Must be my own attention span, eh? XP).
#15
joboo
Mar 03, 2005 16:35:02 I like the new one.
#16
joboo
Mar 03, 2005 16:40:43 The 2nd ed depiction of the thrikreen reminded me of giant praying mantis with weapons. Even though I loved the idea when I first saw it. I have to say the 3.5 version better depicts a mantis like humanoid. The forgotten abdomen? I love it. It causes the kreen to look faster and less clumsy than 2nd ed. Imho I see it as an improvement. Chitin needs a little help how ever.
#17
Dragonhelm
Mar 03, 2005 17:10:42 Howzabout the tohr-kreen? :D

I think I prefer the 2nd edition thri-kreen better. They had more of an "alien" look to them. They also had a harder edge, and were something I'd think of when I think about a world based on survival.

The 3e version is just a bit too...cute.

Now, I have to say that the one thing I did like about thri-kreen in 2e was the various subraces, such as the abovementioned tohr-kreen. Perhaps the 3e version is just a variation. It's sort of how people on earth generally look differently based on geography.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Feb 16, 2005 21:20:27	Which Kreen do you prefer? The original, very insectoid Kreen from the original material, or the more humanoid ones from the 3.5 material? And Why? I'm kinda torn on the subject myself, but lean more towards the original, but with legs more like the new ones. Thoughts?
#2 dawnstealer Feb 17, 2005 0:00:39	Jeral over T'Kosa. It's that whole opposable thumb thing. I think you could attribute differences to mutations, and just use whichever you prefer. Personally, I like the old ones.
#3 zombiegleemax Feb 17, 2005 0:31:46	no kreen is good kreen. good lord, 6 attacks! and psionics!
#4 zombiegleemax Feb 17, 2005 1:19:48	The more I think about it, the more I think an amalgam of the 2E and 3.5 kreen would be ideal. The old ones had the whole mantis-body and abdominal pod going on, which was awesome, but they were always drawn in such a manner that they looked more like skin and bones than exoskeleton, especially in the arms. The new ones look appropriately chitinous and armored, but they have a freakin pelvis and no abdominal pod. Too humanoid. Hey Dawnstealer, howzabout you put those awesome talents to a quick sketch of a Kreen somewhere in between the two? The Idealized Kreen? Something with a proper exoskeleton, legs that actually look like they could support it, and the abdominal pod? I,and I'm sure others, would greatly appreciate it!
#5 korimyr_the_rat Feb 17, 2005 2:31:15	I prefer the 3.5 Kreen-- they're closer to the way that Thri-Kreen were originally drawn, before Dark Sun came out. That said, the incredible anatomical and cultural detail given to the race in Thri-Kreen of Athas has always stuck with me. They'll always be humanoid to me, but someone, somewhere, is always going to yell "Show me your thumbs!" before deciding whether or not the Kreen he meets on the road are friendly.
#6 the_peacebringer Feb 17, 2005 8:50:04	I like classic stuff: Classic Coke(the drink, that is), Classic Rock, so yeah, I like the Classic Kreen better than the humanoid 3.5 one. I'm not usually superficial about these things, but it's definetly for the look. It's true though, a little more chitin strenghtening glucose would be welcome.
#7 zombiegleemax Feb 17, 2005 12:37:44	I'm not usually superficial about these things, but it's definetly for the look. It's true though, a little more chitin strenghtening glucose would be welcome. Yeah, I definetely am adamant about the chitin thing. No insect should have biceps. Bug muscles are cords on the insides of the exoskeleton, and it lumpy muscles on the outside gave them too much of a squishy look.
#8 Pennarin Feb 17, 2005 13:04:03	[discussion time out] Cool new avatar TerminusVortexa! I disliked the flying skull, this one is far cooler! [/discussion time out]
#9 zombiegleemax Feb 17, 2005 13:25:18	Thanks, Pennarin!
#10 ascian Feb 20, 2005 16:14:26	I like the heads and general chitinous look of the new Kreen, and also found the abdominal pod too cumbersome-looking to imagine moving around with it. I do grant, though, that the new Kreen is a bit too humanoid. I'd like to see a slightly more hunched posture, and perhaps a smaller abdominal pod than the old sketches. I was also thrilled by the specific physiological differences, and would like to see those incorporated as well.
#11 zombiegleemax Feb 20, 2005 17:32:36	I totally agree the pod should be smaller. The old ones dragged on the ground, and just looked too big and droopy. On a different note, the Kreen in the MMII would be perfect for the Zik'chil! Waitaminit! I have the solution! Take the picture of the Kreen in the beginning of the ExPHB, bulk up the claws a bit, and add a VERTICALLY STANDING abdominal pod like the Tondi kreen in the back of Thri-Kreen of Athas, and you have the prefect Kreen! Dawnstealer, for the love of CHITIN, give us a sketch!!!!
#12 psiseveredhead Feb 25, 2005 20:31:06	I wish John Dollar were still the artist. His thri-kreen (in Thri-kreen of Athas) were the best looking I have ever seen.
#13 zombiegleemax Feb 26, 2005 0:12:23	VERTICALLY STANDING abdominal pod The kinds of praying mantis that are common around where I live like to raise their abdominal sections when angry. I guess it makes them look a little more threatening (since its always a tad to one side or the other, thus adding fullness to their otherwise small bodies). I use the larger classical kreen in my games. The newer look is just to humanoid. Oh, and the muscles of kreen would definatly be internal, not external. Insect muscles are the complete opposite in structure than normal muscles; they push, rather than pull, which is what gives insects such massive strength pound for pound over any other animal. Seeing a kreen with bulging arms just makes me think of an artist that doesn't research his subjects.
#14 alhadis Feb 28, 2005 19:54:36	I, for one, have NEVER been able to envision Thri-kreen as being anything but pure Dark Sun material. ;-_-; For that reason, I've always preferred classic DS statistics to 3rd-edition stats, but I'd still rather settle for third-edition then a poor conversion from AD&D (y'know, for reaosns I can't fathom, I'm always tempted to replace the ampersand in that acronym with a "H". Must be my own attention span, eh? XP).
#15 joboo Mar 03, 2005 16:35:02	I like the new one.
#16 joboo Mar 03, 2005 16:40:43	The 2nd ed depiction of the thrikreen reminded me of giant praying mantis with weapons. Even though I loved the idea when I first saw it. I have to say the 3.5 version better depicts a mantis like humanoid. The forgotten abdomen? I love it. It causes the kreen to look faster and less clumsy than 2nd ed. Imho I see it as an improvement. Chitin needs a little help how ever.
#17 Dragonhelm Mar 03, 2005 17:10:42	Howzabout the tohr-kreen? :D I think I prefer the 2nd edition thri-kreen better. They had more of an "alien" look to them. They also had a harder edge, and were something I'd think of when I think about a world based on survival. The 3e version is just a bit too...cute. Now, I have to say that the one thing I did like about thri-kreen in 2e was the various subraces, such as the abovementioned tohr-kreen. Perhaps the 3e version is just a variation. It's sort of how people on earth generally look differently based on geography.