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#1
lyric
Feb 24, 2005 17:43:35 I think it would make an interesting campaign to play durring the time of magic, before Rajaat's Champions.. maybe even having a character taught by the First Sorceror himself ! Has anyone here ever been in or run a campaign where things hadn't degenerated that far yet? Where the world is still green and Magic is rather new and while being unknown isn't really feared?? Anyone ever think of rising to a Dragon that way? or Maybe an Avangion?? Do you think you'd last against the early Champions of Rajaat? or would you get destroyed? or go into hiding?

What would you judge would be the case?? How would you run such an adventure??
#2
dawnstealer
Feb 24, 2005 17:48:59 Yup. I've run two campaigns that took place right before the Cleansing Wars started, when nobody was too sure what was going on. It inspired the "Cleansing Wars supplement," which I haven't written yet, but have outlined. Unfortunately, I have gobs of projects in line ahead of it.
#3
monastyrski
Feb 25, 2005 16:25:19 Such an adventure requires a huge amount of master's job, that is why I have never tried to run anything alike. First of all, were there any mammalia except humanoids? If yes (that means Athas had Earth-like ecosystem), what had happened to them later? If no, what big invertebrata did inhabit the humid Athas? What hydrobionts did inhabit the numerous bodies of fresh water? Such an adventure can be easily centered on wilderness encounters with no care for Rajaat.
As for the later, the pyreens can be remembered. Did they try to understand, what did Rajaat do? Did they understand? If yes, did they try to stop him? Why did they fail?
#4
Sysane
Feb 26, 2005 12:09:01 I ended up running a campaign in which the PC were blown back in time shortly before the start of the Cleansing Wars. They happend across an anicent device of "Time Transferance" which was made by one of Rajaat's wizards charged with studying the movement of time. He charged wizards with the study of the outer planes whay not time, right?
#5
dawnstealer
Feb 26, 2005 12:14:08 Good point.

On second thought, maybe not. There's a good chance his wizards might figure out his true plans if they went far enough into the future (ala Mind Lords - maybe the Mind Lords were even doing the experiment for Rajaat?). Rajaat might be careful with that sort of thing.
#6
Sysane
Feb 26, 2005 12:20:26
Good point.

On second thought, maybe not. There's a good chance his wizards might figure out his true plans if they went far enough into the future (ala Mind Lords - maybe the Mind Lords were even doing the experiment for Rajaat?). Rajaat might be careful with that sort of thing.

Not if he tasked them with only traveling back in time and not forward. It would give Rajaat some insight on how to bring Athas back to the Blue Age if he could actually view that Age first hand would it not?
#7
dawnstealer
Feb 26, 2005 12:46:08 Indeed. But if they could only travel back, how would they get forward back to their own time! HAHAHHAHH!

Seriously, I get what you're saying and it's a good idea, just wanted to toss a logic trap in there.
#8
Sysane
Feb 26, 2005 13:54:35
Seriously, I get what you're saying and it's a good idea, just wanted to toss a logic trap in there.

Thanks.

Rajaat wouldn't be able to get any further than the Green Age any how. The revised campaign setting states something along the lines of no one can time travel to the Blue Age for one reason or another.
#9
jon_oracle_of_athas
Feb 27, 2005 9:19:16 Well, rumors speak of Nibenay trying to discover the secrets of time travel, so it's not unrealistic that someone else might have tried as well.
#10
Sysane
Feb 27, 2005 9:44:30
Well, rumors speak of Nibenay trying to discover the secrets of time travel, so it's not unrealistic that someone else might have tried as well.

Really? Where is that documented?
#11
dawnstealer
Feb 27, 2005 10:59:43 It might be one of those paradox-type things - you can't travel back to a time before time-travel was invented because (ta-da!) time-travel wasn't invented at that point. I doubt they were studying theories of time-travel, though, when they came up with that concept. It's a game-balancing issue, if you ask me: if someone can travel back to the Blue Age, they could bring water back with them. If there's nothing stopping them from traveling more than once, well...
#12
zombiegleemax
Feb 27, 2005 11:13:31 LOOPHOLE - Depending on your choice of cosmology, go somewhere else (say, Faerun or an Outer Plane) and time travel back far enough, then go to Athas. :D
#13
jon_oracle_of_athas
Feb 27, 2005 15:10:55
Really? Where is that documented?

Beyond the Prism Pentad:
Quote: "The Shadow King still keeps his inner city, a place where scholar-slaves labor over ancient texts and arcane relics, closed to the public. Nibenay himself often talks about the time before with his top templar-wives - the time before the sorcererkings, before the Champions, before Rajaat. Some members of the veiled alliance believe that the Shadow King is seeking a way to travel through time, but this has yet to be confirmed."
#14
Sysane
Feb 27, 2005 20:28:41
Beyond the Prism Pentad:
Quote: "The Shadow King still keeps his inner city, a place where scholar-slaves labor over ancient texts and arcane relics, closed to the public. Nibenay himself often talks about the time before with his top templar-wives - the time before the sorcererkings, before the Champions, before Rajaat. Some members of the veiled alliance believe that the Shadow King is seeking a way to travel through time, but this has yet to be confirmed."

Thats a juicy tid bit. Now if that doesn't scream adventure hook, I don't know what does.
#15
dawnstealer
Feb 27, 2005 22:09:17 Either that, or Rajaat infected him! Oooo! Conspiracy!!
#16
lyric
Mar 02, 2005 3:41:16 if you used rajaat in one of your campaigns, pre cleansing war, how would you use him?? could you imagine some upstart rookie trained by a former student of rajaat who thought he could challenge his position as the greatest sorceror?? (after all, he's the first so he must be the best!) of course, rajaat supposedly radiated power so the likelyhood of him being challenged by anyone who wasn't mad is rather nuts :P however, what if someone did?? how would you use the warbringer in your campaign?? would you have his godlike power apparent? or hidden?? how would locals react to this mishapen master of magic??

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 lyric Feb 24, 2005 17:43:35	I think it would make an interesting campaign to play durring the time of magic, before Rajaat's Champions.. maybe even having a character taught by the First Sorceror himself ! Has anyone here ever been in or run a campaign where things hadn't degenerated that far yet? Where the world is still green and Magic is rather new and while being unknown isn't really feared?? Anyone ever think of rising to a Dragon that way? or Maybe an Avangion?? Do you think you'd last against the early Champions of Rajaat? or would you get destroyed? or go into hiding? What would you judge would be the case?? How would you run such an adventure??
#2 dawnstealer Feb 24, 2005 17:48:59	Yup. I've run two campaigns that took place right before the Cleansing Wars started, when nobody was too sure what was going on. It inspired the "Cleansing Wars supplement," which I haven't written yet, but have outlined. Unfortunately, I have gobs of projects in line ahead of it.
#3 monastyrski Feb 25, 2005 16:25:19	Such an adventure requires a huge amount of master's job, that is why I have never tried to run anything alike. First of all, were there any mammalia except humanoids? If yes (that means Athas had Earth-like ecosystem), what had happened to them later? If no, what big invertebrata did inhabit the humid Athas? What hydrobionts did inhabit the numerous bodies of fresh water? Such an adventure can be easily centered on wilderness encounters with no care for Rajaat. As for the later, the pyreens can be remembered. Did they try to understand, what did Rajaat do? Did they understand? If yes, did they try to stop him? Why did they fail?
#4 Sysane Feb 26, 2005 12:09:01	I ended up running a campaign in which the PC were blown back in time shortly before the start of the Cleansing Wars. They happend across an anicent device of "Time Transferance" which was made by one of Rajaat's wizards charged with studying the movement of time. He charged wizards with the study of the outer planes whay not time, right?
#5 dawnstealer Feb 26, 2005 12:14:08	Good point. On second thought, maybe not. There's a good chance his wizards might figure out his true plans if they went far enough into the future (ala Mind Lords - maybe the Mind Lords were even doing the experiment for Rajaat?). Rajaat might be careful with that sort of thing.
#6 Sysane Feb 26, 2005 12:20:26	Good point. On second thought, maybe not. There's a good chance his wizards might figure out his true plans if they went far enough into the future (ala Mind Lords - maybe the Mind Lords were even doing the experiment for Rajaat?). Rajaat might be careful with that sort of thing. Not if he tasked them with only traveling back in time and not forward. It would give Rajaat some insight on how to bring Athas back to the Blue Age if he could actually view that Age first hand would it not?
#7 dawnstealer Feb 26, 2005 12:46:08	Indeed. But if they could only travel back, how would they get forward back to their own time! HAHAHHAHH! Seriously, I get what you're saying and it's a good idea, just wanted to toss a logic trap in there.
#8 Sysane Feb 26, 2005 13:54:35	Seriously, I get what you're saying and it's a good idea, just wanted to toss a logic trap in there. Thanks. Rajaat wouldn't be able to get any further than the Green Age any how. The revised campaign setting states something along the lines of no one can time travel to the Blue Age for one reason or another.
#9 jon_oracle_of_athas Feb 27, 2005 9:19:16	Well, rumors speak of Nibenay trying to discover the secrets of time travel, so it's not unrealistic that someone else might have tried as well.
#10 Sysane Feb 27, 2005 9:44:30	Well, rumors speak of Nibenay trying to discover the secrets of time travel, so it's not unrealistic that someone else might have tried as well. Really? Where is that documented?
#11 dawnstealer Feb 27, 2005 10:59:43	It might be one of those paradox-type things - you can't travel back to a time before time-travel was invented because (ta-da!) time-travel wasn't invented at that point. I doubt they were studying theories of time-travel, though, when they came up with that concept. It's a game-balancing issue, if you ask me: if someone can travel back to the Blue Age, they could bring water back with them. If there's nothing stopping them from traveling more than once, well...
#12 zombiegleemax Feb 27, 2005 11:13:31	LOOPHOLE - Depending on your choice of cosmology, go somewhere else (say, Faerun or an Outer Plane) and time travel back far enough, then go to Athas. :D
#13 jon_oracle_of_athas Feb 27, 2005 15:10:55	Really? Where is that documented? Beyond the Prism Pentad: Quote: "The Shadow King still keeps his inner city, a place where scholar-slaves labor over ancient texts and arcane relics, closed to the public. Nibenay himself often talks about the time before with his top templar-wives - the time before the sorcererkings, before the Champions, before Rajaat. Some members of the veiled alliance believe that the Shadow King is seeking a way to travel through time, but this has yet to be confirmed."
#14 Sysane Feb 27, 2005 20:28:41	Beyond the Prism Pentad: Quote: "The Shadow King still keeps his inner city, a place where scholar-slaves labor over ancient texts and arcane relics, closed to the public. Nibenay himself often talks about the time before with his top templar-wives - the time before the sorcererkings, before the Champions, before Rajaat. Some members of the veiled alliance believe that the Shadow King is seeking a way to travel through time, but this has yet to be confirmed." Thats a juicy tid bit. Now if that doesn't scream adventure hook, I don't know what does.
#15 dawnstealer Feb 27, 2005 22:09:17	Either that, or Rajaat infected him! Oooo! Conspiracy!!
#16 lyric Mar 02, 2005 3:41:16	if you used rajaat in one of your campaigns, pre cleansing war, how would you use him?? could you imagine some upstart rookie trained by a former student of rajaat who thought he could challenge his position as the greatest sorceror?? (after all, he's the first so he must be the best!) of course, rajaat supposedly radiated power so the likelyhood of him being challenged by anyone who wasn't mad is rather nuts :P however, what if someone did?? how would you use the warbringer in your campaign?? would you have his godlike power apparent? or hidden?? how would locals react to this mishapen master of magic??