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#1
Charles_Phipps
Mar 07, 2005 2:26:38 Oddly, I'm getting this book and I didn't get the campaign setting. I'm personally looking forward to an explanation for Bast and other "demigods"
#2
Dragonhelm
Mar 07, 2005 7:02:55
Oddly, I'm getting this book and I didn't get the campaign setting. I'm personally looking forward to an explanation for Bast and other "demigods"

Be careful what you wish for. ;)
#3
cam_banks
Mar 07, 2005 7:24:46 From the promotional information about the Holy Orders:

"This sourcebook details the religions of Krynn, including extensive write-ups on all of the gods—including lesser beings (such as Bast) that are found in novels but are not strictly deities of Krynn. New prestige classes, spells, magical items, and holy artifacts are described within."

So there you go.

Cheers,
Cam
#4
Charles_Phipps
Mar 07, 2005 12:01:21
From the promotional information about the Holy Orders:

"This sourcebook details the religions of Krynn, including extensive write-ups on all of the gods—including lesser beings (such as Bast) that are found in novels but are not strictly deities of Krynn. New prestige classes, spells, magical items, and holy artifacts are described within."

So there you go.

Cheers,
Cam

Thanks Cam. As a note, I'm so excited that you're incorporating information from the "other" books that I pre-ordered today from Amazon. Personally, I'm also hoping that we might have some information about characters as well...though I doubt it.

For example, what happened to the Church of Paladine after the Second Cataclysm. Did Crysannia just sleep with her kitty then go off to live a normal life with him or what?

There's alot of blank spots on this canvas
#5
Dragonhelm
Mar 07, 2005 13:16:43
For example, what happened to the Church of Paladine after the Second Cataclysm. Did Crysannia just sleep with her kitty then go off to live a normal life with him or what?

There's alot of blank spots on this canvas

What I would be interested to see is how many people from those churches turned to mysticism, and how that has changed the churches, if they're still going at all. In other words, what have former mystics-turned-clerics taken from their mystic practices with them into their faith?
#6
true_blue
Mar 07, 2005 15:33:19 Personally I'd like to see Initiate feats included in this book, although I highly doubt it will happen. Initiate feats, are a quick fix for every cleric seemingly being able to cast the same spells. Certain spells should be limited to certain gods, just like certain spells belong to certain Domains, etc. Ah I miss the spheres of 2nd edition...

Another thing is hopefully there will be a "specialty" priest PrC for each god so that followers of theirs arent just all regular clerics of some kind. While there are other PrC's, I'd like to see specialized versions. Some people dont care much for PrC's, but I'm always looking for more. Variety is the spice of life.

I'm wondering if this book will explain things like the Kingpriest, or if that will be reserved for the Legends book. I hope that it goes in depth how certain gods have their followers end up doing things blatently against their god's intentions and ethos, and still retain powers. I'm still confused how certain things happen in Dragonlance... some things just make little to no sense at all.

It would be nice to see a section in there about the Knights of Solamnia and how faith intertwines with their organization and how things are run would be nice. Maybe clear up a couple of misunderstandings and show a clear cut line of how clergy and knights are differentiated and are similar.

I "clerical" PrC for the moon gods would be nice to.. something a wizard could take that would put him more on par of a cleric of his respective god. I miss the 2ed days of there being clerics of the moon gods. I want to see a PrC that shows total devotion to a certain moon god.. and gains power from this unfailing belief in their moon god. I realize that the WoHS is supposed to do this somewhat, but personally I dont think it comes off enough. And I dont believe it should, considering it should be a general sort of PrC for wizards.

*edit* oh.. it would be nice also if the book would be able to explain why at certain times the gods can basically do whatever they want and influence things directly, and other times they cant even commune with their followers and say "Uh thats wrong buddy..don't do that". It just seems to wacky how differently a god's intervention is. It goes from being able to throw mountains, to not even be able to talk. A little bit of clearing up would be nice.
#7
zombiegleemax
Mar 07, 2005 16:26:48 Well the Moon Gods don't grant divine spells. They are the source of Arcana Wizard magic. But having a "Moon Priest" might be intresting, a character who is a religious worshiper of a moon, who gains some magical focus from having a more in depth relationship with their patron. They would get arcane spells as usual, but perhaps some other abilities as well. It would be a prestege class though, likey one of higher levels as they would have to be a Wizard of High Sorcerery first.
#8
darthsylver
Mar 07, 2005 18:51:30 Moon gods not granting clerical magic in the fifth age can be explained that in the 4th age they had a relative hold on arcane magic use and could therefore branch out into other "fields." With the state of the orders of magic as they stand right now they need to devote most, if not all, of their attention to rebuilding the orders of magic. I like the fact that the DLCS states that the moons gods "do not grant divine magic" not that they can't but simply choose not to. So you could theoretically have a cleric of the moon gods but he would be without spellcasting ability.

What I would like to see in "Holy Orders" is a PrC for moon clerics just as True Blue. As it stood in 2e, those who wished to be clerics of the moon gods might first have become a WoHS and then reach 5th level. Sounds kinda like a "Mystic Theurge" to me. Now I know that in the 5th age there is no established church for the moon gods, but I would like an explaination of the moon gods church from the 4th age.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Charles_Phipps Mar 07, 2005 2:26:38	Oddly, I'm getting this book and I didn't get the campaign setting. I'm personally looking forward to an explanation for Bast and other "demigods"
#2 Dragonhelm Mar 07, 2005 7:02:55	Oddly, I'm getting this book and I didn't get the campaign setting. I'm personally looking forward to an explanation for Bast and other "demigods" Be careful what you wish for. ;)
#3 cam_banks Mar 07, 2005 7:24:46	From the promotional information about the Holy Orders: "This sourcebook details the religions of Krynn, including extensive write-ups on all of the gods—including lesser beings (such as Bast) that are found in novels but are not strictly deities of Krynn. New prestige classes, spells, magical items, and holy artifacts are described within." So there you go. Cheers, Cam
#4 Charles_Phipps Mar 07, 2005 12:01:21	From the promotional information about the Holy Orders: "This sourcebook details the religions of Krynn, including extensive write-ups on all of the gods—including lesser beings (such as Bast) that are found in novels but are not strictly deities of Krynn. New prestige classes, spells, magical items, and holy artifacts are described within." So there you go. Cheers, Cam Thanks Cam. As a note, I'm so excited that you're incorporating information from the "other" books that I pre-ordered today from Amazon. Personally, I'm also hoping that we might have some information about characters as well...though I doubt it. For example, what happened to the Church of Paladine after the Second Cataclysm. Did Crysannia just sleep with her kitty then go off to live a normal life with him or what? There's alot of blank spots on this canvas
#5 Dragonhelm Mar 07, 2005 13:16:43	For example, what happened to the Church of Paladine after the Second Cataclysm. Did Crysannia just sleep with her kitty then go off to live a normal life with him or what? There's alot of blank spots on this canvas What I would be interested to see is how many people from those churches turned to mysticism, and how that has changed the churches, if they're still going at all. In other words, what have former mystics-turned-clerics taken from their mystic practices with them into their faith?
#6 true_blue Mar 07, 2005 15:33:19	Personally I'd like to see Initiate feats included in this book, although I highly doubt it will happen. Initiate feats, are a quick fix for every cleric seemingly being able to cast the same spells. Certain spells should be limited to certain gods, just like certain spells belong to certain Domains, etc. Ah I miss the spheres of 2nd edition... Another thing is hopefully there will be a "specialty" priest PrC for each god so that followers of theirs arent just all regular clerics of some kind. While there are other PrC's, I'd like to see specialized versions. Some people dont care much for PrC's, but I'm always looking for more. Variety is the spice of life. I'm wondering if this book will explain things like the Kingpriest, or if that will be reserved for the Legends book. I hope that it goes in depth how certain gods have their followers end up doing things blatently against their god's intentions and ethos, and still retain powers. I'm still confused how certain things happen in Dragonlance... some things just make little to no sense at all. It would be nice to see a section in there about the Knights of Solamnia and how faith intertwines with their organization and how things are run would be nice. Maybe clear up a couple of misunderstandings and show a clear cut line of how clergy and knights are differentiated and are similar. I "clerical" PrC for the moon gods would be nice to.. something a wizard could take that would put him more on par of a cleric of his respective god. I miss the 2ed days of there being clerics of the moon gods. I want to see a PrC that shows total devotion to a certain moon god.. and gains power from this unfailing belief in their moon god. I realize that the WoHS is supposed to do this somewhat, but personally I dont think it comes off enough. And I dont believe it should, considering it should be a general sort of PrC for wizards. edit oh.. it would be nice also if the book would be able to explain why at certain times the gods can basically do whatever they want and influence things directly, and other times they cant even commune with their followers and say "Uh thats wrong buddy..don't do that". It just seems to wacky how differently a god's intervention is. It goes from being able to throw mountains, to not even be able to talk. A little bit of clearing up would be nice.
#7 zombiegleemax Mar 07, 2005 16:26:48	Well the Moon Gods don't grant divine spells. They are the source of Arcana Wizard magic. But having a "Moon Priest" might be intresting, a character who is a religious worshiper of a moon, who gains some magical focus from having a more in depth relationship with their patron. They would get arcane spells as usual, but perhaps some other abilities as well. It would be a prestege class though, likey one of higher levels as they would have to be a Wizard of High Sorcerery first.
#8 darthsylver Mar 07, 2005 18:51:30	Moon gods not granting clerical magic in the fifth age can be explained that in the 4th age they had a relative hold on arcane magic use and could therefore branch out into other "fields." With the state of the orders of magic as they stand right now they need to devote most, if not all, of their attention to rebuilding the orders of magic. I like the fact that the DLCS states that the moons gods "do not grant divine magic" not that they can't but simply choose not to. So you could theoretically have a cleric of the moon gods but he would be without spellcasting ability. What I would like to see in "Holy Orders" is a PrC for moon clerics just as True Blue. As it stood in 2e, those who wished to be clerics of the moon gods might first have become a WoHS and then reach 5th level. Sounds kinda like a "Mystic Theurge" to me. Now I know that in the 5th age there is no established church for the moon gods, but I would like an explaination of the moon gods church from the 4th age.