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Orders of Sorcery?

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#1
Charles_Phipps
Mar 08, 2005 16:02:21 I was curious if anyone thinks that we'll see organized sorcerer bodies anytime soon
#2
Dragonhelm
Mar 08, 2005 16:22:43
I was curious if anyone thinks that we'll see organized sorcerer bodies anytime soon

There's the Knights of the Thorn, and the Legion of Steel uses sorcerers.

Basically, the Orders of High Sorcery have decreed that they'll generally leave sorcerers alone, so long as they are not a threat and so long as they don't band together. When they band together, there will be trouble.

EDIT: Now, the official answer being given, the question arises - if there was going to be a new order/organization of sorcerers, what would you like to see, and what wouldn't you like to see?

I think it's safe to say that an organization that is modeled after the WoHS wouldn't go over as well. That would take away from the uniqueness of the WoHS, and wouldn't fit well with the more independently minded sorcerers. So no robes, no orders based on alignment.

What do you guys think?
#3
zombiegleemax
Mar 08, 2005 17:14:46 I think a loosely banded organization of Sorcerers would be the best faction to create. Here's how I would do it, with my lack of DL knowledge:

Wild Magic is vast and can take many forms and paradigms. Those who may use this form of magic have know specific way of realizing, or growing, their power. Therefore, a strict and by the book organization would not be suited for their needs.

The sect would gather for two main reasons, protection and knowledge. Knowing simply that a certain type of spell exists can give the Sorcerer the ability to emulate it with enough time and concentration. Protection comes with numbers, so if enough of them can gather, they become more potent.

I don't think such an organization would mean to be a threat to Wizards, but they would by no means allow themselves to be pushed around by a small faction of renewed magic-users.

You could throw in some rumors about the faction being influenced by the Thorn Knights, just to make things interesting.

So basically a chaotic group, rather than the lawful and structured Wizardry which has seemingly failed. I think the Sorcerers would gladly try to learn from history.
#4
Charles_Phipps
Mar 08, 2005 17:19:04 And they could be only two, a master and an apprentice.

They'd practice their evil arts in secret until the time they reveal themselves to the Wizards of High Sorcery, at last having their revenge.

Wait, sorry, that's the Sith.
#5
zombiegleemax
Mar 08, 2005 17:50:00 One logical path I can see Sorcerers taking is one already established in the past - the Academy of Sorcery. A place where students can come to learn how to control their inherent abilities safely under the tutelage of experienced Sorcerers. These Academies could be created all over Krynn instead of having just the one or two outposts (i.e Towers of High Sorcery).

I see the Academies as being general-public-friendly... what I mean is they welcome in "people off the street" instead of shrouding themselves in mystery like the Wizard Towers do. It could even be a blessing to a region if an Academy is founded there, as it would attract "tourists" who would contribute to the local economy.

Oooh, how about this - the leaders of the Three Orders of High Sorcery secretly convene and agree that they should closely monitor the development of Sorcery, so they covertly establish the Academies using high-ranking Wizard/Sorcerers (unbeknownst to the public) who would then be able to control exactly what is taught.

I like that idea
#6
zombiegleemax
Mar 08, 2005 18:08:04 I certainly think that PR is one area that the sorcerers have over wizards. Given the nature of sorcery, I don't see it as very hard for them to form something of an egalitarian loose-knit organization--as was said was there to spread knowledge of sorcery, and protect each other. I think however, that would also be their downfall. I think it's the easy access to primal sorcery that makes it so dangerous. When just anyone can use it, well...that carries with it a lot of baggage and potential for misuse and abuse. So one of their greatest strengths (appealing to folks too scared to take the test, or who ideologically disagree with the WoHS) also can serve as a great weakness when that promising hot-heade prodigy leaves a crater where Solace used to be, or something. I look forward to seeing where this conflict goes and how each side approaches it.
#7
zombiegleemax
Mar 08, 2005 18:08:53 Good thinking Silas, much better than my drivel above. I thought about using the Academies, but they seemed so cliché.

But I think that most human regional rulers would overlook the economic boost in a ...prejudice view. Magic is still distrusted on Ansalon, and an entire school teaching the people of his region, spreading its propaganda...they might think the Sorcerers are planning an invasion.

But don't worry, the elves would accept the schools. Oh, wait... ;)
#8
zombiegleemax
Mar 09, 2005 5:36:07
Magic is still distrusted on Ansalon, and an entire school teaching the people of his region, spreading its propaganda...they might think the Sorcerers are planning an invasion.

I think you may be right that in certain areas prejudice is likely, but that comes with the territory really. I mean, who would want a Kender Meetinghouse built in the middle of their city? Exactly. Harmless but annoying :P Prejudice is never truly rational.

I think the fact that 'anyone' can be born with the talent would work in their favour, as then the academies would be made up of 'people from down the road' who would go to the academy, learn how to safely control their power, then come back to the community. I think that people would view sorcerers in their community with more trust than wizards. Who wants a Black Robe living next door? Or even Red Robe? But Bertie the Baker makes AWESOME bread now that he can get his ovens extra hot!

You see what I mean?

And with regards to Andre's point - this is exactly why I see the Heads of the Robes wanting to get involved. They've been a magic-controlling organisation from the start, why would they stop now?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Charles_Phipps Mar 08, 2005 16:02:21	I was curious if anyone thinks that we'll see organized sorcerer bodies anytime soon
#2 Dragonhelm Mar 08, 2005 16:22:43	I was curious if anyone thinks that we'll see organized sorcerer bodies anytime soon There's the Knights of the Thorn, and the Legion of Steel uses sorcerers. Basically, the Orders of High Sorcery have decreed that they'll generally leave sorcerers alone, so long as they are not a threat and so long as they don't band together. When they band together, there will be trouble. EDIT: Now, the official answer being given, the question arises - if there was going to be a new order/organization of sorcerers, what would you like to see, and what wouldn't you like to see? I think it's safe to say that an organization that is modeled after the WoHS wouldn't go over as well. That would take away from the uniqueness of the WoHS, and wouldn't fit well with the more independently minded sorcerers. So no robes, no orders based on alignment. What do you guys think?
#3 zombiegleemax Mar 08, 2005 17:14:46	I think a loosely banded organization of Sorcerers would be the best faction to create. Here's how I would do it, with my lack of DL knowledge: Wild Magic is vast and can take many forms and paradigms. Those who may use this form of magic have know specific way of realizing, or growing, their power. Therefore, a strict and by the book organization would not be suited for their needs. The sect would gather for two main reasons, protection and knowledge. Knowing simply that a certain type of spell exists can give the Sorcerer the ability to emulate it with enough time and concentration. Protection comes with numbers, so if enough of them can gather, they become more potent. I don't think such an organization would mean to be a threat to Wizards, but they would by no means allow themselves to be pushed around by a small faction of renewed magic-users. You could throw in some rumors about the faction being influenced by the Thorn Knights, just to make things interesting. So basically a chaotic group, rather than the lawful and structured Wizardry which has seemingly failed. I think the Sorcerers would gladly try to learn from history.
#4 Charles_Phipps Mar 08, 2005 17:19:04	And they could be only two, a master and an apprentice. They'd practice their evil arts in secret until the time they reveal themselves to the Wizards of High Sorcery, at last having their revenge. Wait, sorry, that's the Sith.
#5 zombiegleemax Mar 08, 2005 17:50:00	One logical path I can see Sorcerers taking is one already established in the past - the Academy of Sorcery. A place where students can come to learn how to control their inherent abilities safely under the tutelage of experienced Sorcerers. These Academies could be created all over Krynn instead of having just the one or two outposts (i.e Towers of High Sorcery). I see the Academies as being general-public-friendly... what I mean is they welcome in "people off the street" instead of shrouding themselves in mystery like the Wizard Towers do. It could even be a blessing to a region if an Academy is founded there, as it would attract "tourists" who would contribute to the local economy. Oooh, how about this - the leaders of the Three Orders of High Sorcery secretly convene and agree that they should closely monitor the development of Sorcery, so they covertly establish the Academies using high-ranking Wizard/Sorcerers (unbeknownst to the public) who would then be able to control exactly what is taught. I like that idea
#6 zombiegleemax Mar 08, 2005 18:08:04	I certainly think that PR is one area that the sorcerers have over wizards. Given the nature of sorcery, I don't see it as very hard for them to form something of an egalitarian loose-knit organization--as was said was there to spread knowledge of sorcery, and protect each other. I think however, that would also be their downfall. I think it's the easy access to primal sorcery that makes it so dangerous. When just anyone can use it, well...that carries with it a lot of baggage and potential for misuse and abuse. So one of their greatest strengths (appealing to folks too scared to take the test, or who ideologically disagree with the WoHS) also can serve as a great weakness when that promising hot-heade prodigy leaves a crater where Solace used to be, or something. I look forward to seeing where this conflict goes and how each side approaches it.
#7 zombiegleemax Mar 08, 2005 18:08:53	Good thinking Silas, much better than my drivel above. I thought about using the Academies, but they seemed so cliché. But I think that most human regional rulers would overlook the economic boost in a ...prejudice view. Magic is still distrusted on Ansalon, and an entire school teaching the people of his region, spreading its propaganda...they might think the Sorcerers are planning an invasion. But don't worry, the elves would accept the schools. Oh, wait... ;)
#8 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2005 5:36:07	Magic is still distrusted on Ansalon, and an entire school teaching the people of his region, spreading its propaganda...they might think the Sorcerers are planning an invasion. I think you may be right that in certain areas prejudice is likely, but that comes with the territory really. I mean, who would want a Kender Meetinghouse built in the middle of their city? Exactly. Harmless but annoying :P Prejudice is never truly rational. I think the fact that 'anyone' can be born with the talent would work in their favour, as then the academies would be made up of 'people from down the road' who would go to the academy, learn how to safely control their power, then come back to the community. I think that people would view sorcerers in their community with more trust than wizards. Who wants a Black Robe living next door? Or even Red Robe? But Bertie the Baker makes AWESOME bread now that he can get his ovens extra hot! You see what I mean? And with regards to Andre's point - this is exactly why I see the Heads of the Robes wanting to get involved. They've been a magic-controlling organisation from the start, why would they stop now?