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#1 Charles_Phipps Mar 09, 2005 17:19:25	Basically, this is a fan thread devoted to speculation on how the Knights of Solamnia got from Point A to Point Z in the books "The Lord of The Rose" with the Three Orders divided, feuding, and having adopted Feudal titles. This isn't a complaint thread but to stretch out DMing muscles and see if Sovereign Press has any plans or whether they inted to treat the Knighthood as its always been.
#2 Charles_Phipps Mar 09, 2005 17:39:01	My speculation states that it started at the beginning of the War of Chaos. The Knights were defeated at their home base of the High clerist's tower with the war of chaos probably claiming up to three fourths of them potentially. The gods dissapearance was just icing on the cake. I maintain my suspicion the Knights revision of the Measure probably severely hurt their sense of tradition as well. Skie probably forced them fully underground as well and his knights probably devastated the ranks of the Solamnics almost as much as the Chaos War. It's my suspicion that Eirhling was killed during this time and there wasn't a new Grandmaster elected. Instead, the Knighthood broke up into outposts. When Mina summoned the Knights out of Solamnia, they struck back with a vengeance but afterwards...it was probably three seperate groups of Knights that had no Grandmaster (or perhaps several grandmasters!) uniting them.
#3 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2005 20:21:30	I think what you're saying is that the KoS became fractured and divided during the AoM and may have no or several grandmasters, high clerists, etc. depending upon which faction you're with. If that's what you're saying I'd have to disagree with that hypothesis. While there may have been a few sects that split from the KoS, the knighthood as a whole reamined intact. There may have been power struggles to determine the future of the knighthood, I doubt they were ever disunified. The efforts to break the seige at Sanction shows just how united they were. They also held several other key cities and moved the headquaters from Solamnia to Castle Uth Wistan on Sancrist.
#4 zombiegleemax Mar 09, 2005 20:59:33	I think during the War of Souls, the Knights of Solamnia were still pretty much togethor as before. They were individual lords with rallying points, but they still controlled some cities. They took control of Sanction, so perhaps their leadership remained there while the armies returned to the homeland. No mention is made of Sancrist and such after that.
#5 Charles_Phipps Mar 09, 2005 21:04:51	I think what you're saying is that the KoS became fractured and divided during the AoM and may have no or several grandmasters, high clerists, etc. depending upon which faction you're with. If that's what you're saying I'd have to disagree with that hypothesis. While there may have been a few sects that split from the KoS, the knighthood as a whole reamined intact. There may have been power struggles to determine the future of the knighthood, I doubt they were ever disunified. The efforts to break the seige at Sanction shows just how united they were. They also held several other key cities and moved the headquaters from Solamnia to Castle Uth Wistan on Sancrist. Yet, in Lord of the Rose, the Knighthood is divided into three. SOMETHING shattered them and lead to a hell of a lot of bad blood between the orders. What that is, is ultimately what this thread is about. I doubt it was that CE General and his army of goblins.
#6 iltharanos Mar 10, 2005 21:45:57	Skie probably forced them fully underground as well and his knights probably devastated the ranks of the Solamnics almost as much as the Chaos War. It's my suspicion that Eirhling was killed during this time and there wasn't a new Grandmaster elected. Instead, the Knighthood broke up into outposts. Liam Ehrling was alive and well post-War of Souls, and hence post-Skie.
#7 Charles_Phipps Mar 10, 2005 21:51:57	Liam Ehrling was alive and well post-War of Souls, and hence post-Skie. Fair enough but there's still 10 years or so between the War of Souls and Lord of the Rose And Ehriling is getting on in his years anyway
#8 Dragonhelm Mar 10, 2005 21:55:13	Fair enough but there's still 10 years or so between the War of Souls and Lord of the Rose Three. There was a change in the time frame, and not all the dates were caught in the book when the change was made.
#9 Charles_Phipps Mar 10, 2005 22:04:38	Three. There was a change in the time frame, and not all the dates were caught in the book when the change was made. Fair enough. He's like mid-seventies now?
#10 Dragonhelm Mar 10, 2005 22:11:27	Fair enough. He's like mid-seventies now? I'm not sure how old he was when the Measure was revised, but that would be 33 years prior. If we say he was roughly 40, then yes, mid-70's. So he's getting up there.
#11 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2005 14:12:46	In my campaign, the knights on Sancrist and Southern Ergoth have been cut off from their brethren in Solamnia by the Dark Knights, goblins, and the dangers of travelling too close to Frost's domain by sea. As a result, these knights have teamed up with the cavaliers of Northern Ergoth and the elves of Silvamori and Qualimori in an effort to repel Frost and his legions of ogres and thanoi. All in all, the Knights of Solamnia are in a pretty sad state in my campaign. The Knights of Neraka on Southern Ergoth are more or less completely loyal to Frost, and work closely with the ogre tribes in the area. Two of my characters, a Solamnic Crown Knight and a White Robe, have made it their personal goals to reclaim Solamnia for the knights and to establish the Knighthood as a defender of peace and justice.