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#1
lyric
Mar 09, 2005 20:21:36 If you want Rajaat released from his prison, and once again free to wreak havok on the multiverse, I mean, Athas, explain how you'd release him, what he'd do, and how tough it would be to put him back in his bottle.

If you'd never ever ever ever (did we say ever?) let him loose, explain why there as well, and how you'd explain to your evil insane PC's that despite being level 70 Dragons, they can't break out Rajaat and have him add the Champion template to them (an excuse other than just, "your not strong enough", or, "not in my campaign".)

Set??? Go!
#2
lyric
Mar 09, 2005 20:29:42 Me personally, I think releasing Rajaat onto Athas is a great idea, it's like letting Takhisis back on Ansalon! Go find yourself a Huma and Magius and let them deal with her, er.. him It's totally epic in proportion, without requiring epic characters, (artifacts may be a door charge though). It would certainly spice up the game and get out of the hum drum SK this and Avangion that.. it would put everyone in peril, and bring out the bravest and the most backstabbing of all races!

I'd allow Rajaat to be let loose again, whether by PC intervention, NPC assistance, or his own trickery, heck, I'd even have him trash the current Sorceror Kings and start over, picking all new champions. Maybe you'd like to serve him? Maybe you'd like to betray him?? Maybe, you can convince him to turn you into an avangion and try things differently???? (sure, right.. ) Imagine, Rajaat returning to Athas, Water Clerics could flock to him, Halflings would either run to him, or from him.

Do you think the last tree (from PAofA) would mind what Rajaat does?? or his Methods? Might he lend a helping hand?? Do you think they've met? :P Perhaps he doesn't like Rajaat, perhaps he sees him as an evil nature bender! A foul creation, maybe he tries to kill him, maybe, he tries to cure him!! Ever thought of Rajaat as a force for good?? of course not, but what if he were split in two!!! imagine the havoc that would create! one good, one bad! To prevent Athas' destruction one would have to fight from the shadows so to speak, with other forces... (and it's not the defiler version of him that would hide, that's for sure...) maybe, this has already happened?? And when one version of Rajaat is released from the hollow, they both are... (think, Fistandantilus Reborn, two of him, at each others throats).

My vote: YES return Rajaat!! for good or ill he makes life interesting!!
#3
dracochapel
Mar 09, 2005 21:43:13 No. Rajaat shouldnt be allowed out again.
What are you eager for there to be NO Sorceror Kings left?
I think he should stay in the Hollow, and that Athas should finally get the chance to move on - which i always thought was the point of the Prism Pentad, to resolve some of that ancient history that had left Athas in a sort of stasis for 1000 yrs and let new things happen (whether good or evil). Though i think the Prism Pentad should have come a little later in the development cycle of Athas, give us a chance to adventure with the status quo and THEN break it.

I would have liked to have seen some new powers arise rather than a return of the old ones.
#4
dracochapel
Mar 09, 2005 21:47:34 Also i dont think alot of people would be eager to see Rajaat return. His Shadow halflings would, but they are rejects and not at all representative of their race. Some water clerics might, but i think most clerics understand and want a balance between the elements. Those 3 nature masters might return and be shocked at the actions taken by that maniac Rajaat in their absence. The Rain clerics might - im not really sure whether they like the cerulean storm or not, i mean its rain but not good rain.

The only circumstances i would like to see rajaat return is if dregoth ascends and rajaat returns and still smacks him down.
a god huh. keep trying buddy. oh and have you met my new champion. hes Dray Bane. muuhaaaa!

#5
dawnstealer
Mar 10, 2005 16:55:16 Got to agree with Draco, here. Rajaat's bad news and he is to the SKs what the SKs are to dirt farmers. In short, if Rajaat were to come back, he'd make short work of the remaining SKs (there aren't enough to imprison him, this time, especially if it's run after Abalach-Re is done away with). He'd basically be making a beer run out of it.
#6
Grummore
Mar 12, 2005 18:32:22 I'd say no, Rajaat is the nightmare of everyone, EVEN the SK, which made him more than just a threath.

If he is over athas, then he is just someone known by everyone. That's the same thing than the Aliens Movies. The first one is scary because you THINK there is something. The second one is just out of the ordinary because you KNOW there are there.
#7
psiseveredhead
Mar 17, 2005 12:41:53 No.

FR was damaged by too many world-shattering events, and so has Dark Sun.
#8
lyric
Mar 17, 2005 22:04:53 Just imagine though, Rajaat is an epic level character's epic level character :P A SK's Sorceror King when you've reached the top, who is left to tangle with?? and who can always kick your but?? :P the only problem is, most campaigns haven't created a counterpart for Rajaat, hence, no balance.. but if you were a character metamorphing into a Dragon, wouldn't you want to serve Rajaat if you had no qualms about his plan?? I'd take the place as the right hand of God if elevated me from the status of an angel (or devil :P) If power is really your concern, heck yeah, why not?? I could even serve him as a neutral character (with evil tendencies ) if absolute power was my goal, and I didn't give a crud about different races, I'd take his path. Imagine, just you and Rajaat, and a bunch of halflings.. once they controlled the world, and Rajaat satisfied his own demons, i'd embark on further mastery of the magic and psionics he'd bestowed me with. Heck, he could transform me into an avangion for all I cared, as long as my power increased. Let him rule the halflings, let them rule themselves, who cares?? As long as you retain the power to play with the fabric of the cosmos, all's fair...

let's get three cheers for unabashed fanaticism! :D Hip hip, hurray!!
#9
beyowulf
Mar 17, 2005 22:26:13
Just imagine though, Rajaat is an epic level character's epic level character :P A SK's Sorceror King when you've reached the top, who is left to tangle with?? and who can always kick your but?? :P the only problem is, most campaigns haven't created a counterpart for Rajaat, hence, no balance.. but if you were a character metamorphing into a Dragon, wouldn't you want to serve Rajaat if you had no qualms about his plan?? I'd take the place as the right hand of God if elevated me from the status of an angel (or devil :P) If power is really your concern, heck yeah, why not?? I could even serve him as a neutral character (with evil tendencies ) if absolute power was my goal, and I didn't give a crud about different races, I'd take his path. Imagine, just you and Rajaat, and a bunch of halflings.. once they controlled the world, and Rajaat satisfied his own demons, i'd embark on further mastery of the magic and psionics he'd bestowed me with. Heck, he could transform me into an avangion for all I cared, as long as my power increased. Let him rule the halflings, let them rule themselves, who cares?? As long as you retain the power to play with the fabric of the cosmos, all's fair...

let's get three cheers for unabashed fanaticism! :D Hip hip, hurray!!

Depends. Is Rajaat still sane? Course, its debateable as to whether or not it he was every sane. After how his former Champions betrayed him, wouldn't he rather pre-emptively squash you? And who says he needs you? Likely he has all the power he needs to accomplish his goals. As a non-halfling, you'd be no longer relevant. As a defiling dragon, perhaps you'd even be eyesore, a threat to nature, something to be eliminated.
#10
lyric
Mar 18, 2005 15:50:09 Well, imagine being a fanatic, only.. better so, not the Sacha and Wyan type of thing, blindly following.. but someone who actually agreed with Rajaat, but for different reasons.. someone who saw the rebirth as something else.. as an experiment, one that had failed.. and with the dispassionate view of a scientist, decides that it is correct to start over. So he gains power, works his way up, and frees Rajaat. And allows Rajaat to work his magic on him, and follows every command of Rajaat exactly. A vassal and a Lord. Master and Servant. But with honor in following. And obligation to duty

He could realize that the method of destroying the impure races is irrelevant, but that starting over is needed.. in fighting them, he would employ warriors, knowing that to use a plague might spill over and harm the halflings, or that it could taint the land which would then taint the sea.. so the sword is really the best way to go.. and with the way a dragon defiles, it's in reality the purest way to dispose of the impurities.. completely removing it from the ecology.. burn it out, and leave the rest unharmed (or repairable..) like attacking a cancer...

Treat a new dragon under Rajaat like a cleric and his deity.. I'd love to play a character who had the goal of taking out the other races of Athas.. that would put him against the SK's, (if Rajaat didn't take them out himself) it would put him against Sadira, the Preservers and Defilers.. heck, I'd fassion a large scale spell to prevent anyone from using arcane sorcery in the entire valey.. (locking all the land from being tapped). Then I'd go on a wizard hunt :P and because I could pull from animals.. I wouldn't care.. (course, I would hope that I could also pull from the sun too :P)
#11
beyowulf
Mar 18, 2005 16:42:23
Treat a new dragon under Rajaat like a cleric and his deity.. I'd love to play a character who had the goal of taking out the other races of Athas.. that would put him against the SK's, (if Rajaat didn't take them out himself) it would put him against Sadira, the Preservers and Defilers.. heck, I'd fassion a large scale spell to prevent anyone from using arcane sorcery in the entire valey.. (locking all the land from being tapped). Then I'd go on a wizard hunt :P and because I could pull from animals.. I wouldn't care.. (course, I would hope that I could also pull from the sun too :P)

Yes, but you're still making the assumption that if you're loyal to Rajaat, he'll be loyal to you. It doesn't necessarily work that way. Who says he won't turn on you, once he's done using you? That right, there is nothing guaranteeing that.
#12
lyric
Mar 18, 2005 18:10:49 That's true enough.. I guess it's up to the DM, is Rajaat like the sinister side of all DM's? out to get the playes?? (we're all well familiar with that :P) or would your DM use him as a tool to keep your Epic level PC in check?? after all, isn't that the hard part of playing an Epic level game?? keeping things in check??

"once you've dominated the world a couple times, it gets a little old :P "

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#1 lyric Mar 09, 2005 20:21:36	If you want Rajaat released from his prison, and once again free to wreak havok on the multiverse, I mean, Athas, explain how you'd release him, what he'd do, and how tough it would be to put him back in his bottle. If you'd never ever ever ever (did we say ever?) let him loose, explain why there as well, and how you'd explain to your evil insane PC's that despite being level 70 Dragons, they can't break out Rajaat and have him add the Champion template to them (an excuse other than just, "your not strong enough", or, "not in my campaign".) Set??? Go!
#2 lyric Mar 09, 2005 20:29:42	Me personally, I think releasing Rajaat onto Athas is a great idea, it's like letting Takhisis back on Ansalon! Go find yourself a Huma and Magius and let them deal with her, er.. him It's totally epic in proportion, without requiring epic characters, (artifacts may be a door charge though). It would certainly spice up the game and get out of the hum drum SK this and Avangion that.. it would put everyone in peril, and bring out the bravest and the most backstabbing of all races! I'd allow Rajaat to be let loose again, whether by PC intervention, NPC assistance, or his own trickery, heck, I'd even have him trash the current Sorceror Kings and start over, picking all new champions. Maybe you'd like to serve him? Maybe you'd like to betray him?? Maybe, you can convince him to turn you into an avangion and try things differently???? (sure, right.. ) Imagine, Rajaat returning to Athas, Water Clerics could flock to him, Halflings would either run to him, or from him. Do you think the last tree (from PAofA) would mind what Rajaat does?? or his Methods? Might he lend a helping hand?? Do you think they've met? :P Perhaps he doesn't like Rajaat, perhaps he sees him as an evil nature bender! A foul creation, maybe he tries to kill him, maybe, he tries to cure him!! Ever thought of Rajaat as a force for good?? of course not, but what if he were split in two!!! imagine the havoc that would create! one good, one bad! To prevent Athas' destruction one would have to fight from the shadows so to speak, with other forces... (and it's not the defiler version of him that would hide, that's for sure...) maybe, this has already happened?? And when one version of Rajaat is released from the hollow, they both are... (think, Fistandantilus Reborn, two of him, at each others throats). My vote: YES return Rajaat!! for good or ill he makes life interesting!!
#3 dracochapel Mar 09, 2005 21:43:13	No. Rajaat shouldnt be allowed out again. What are you eager for there to be NO Sorceror Kings left? I think he should stay in the Hollow, and that Athas should finally get the chance to move on - which i always thought was the point of the Prism Pentad, to resolve some of that ancient history that had left Athas in a sort of stasis for 1000 yrs and let new things happen (whether good or evil). Though i think the Prism Pentad should have come a little later in the development cycle of Athas, give us a chance to adventure with the status quo and THEN break it. I would have liked to have seen some new powers arise rather than a return of the old ones.
#4 dracochapel Mar 09, 2005 21:47:34	Also i dont think alot of people would be eager to see Rajaat return. His Shadow halflings would, but they are rejects and not at all representative of their race. Some water clerics might, but i think most clerics understand and want a balance between the elements. Those 3 nature masters might return and be shocked at the actions taken by that maniac Rajaat in their absence. The Rain clerics might - im not really sure whether they like the cerulean storm or not, i mean its rain but not good rain. The only circumstances i would like to see rajaat return is if dregoth ascends and rajaat returns and still smacks him down. a god huh. keep trying buddy. oh and have you met my new champion. hes Dray Bane. muuhaaaa!
#5 dawnstealer Mar 10, 2005 16:55:16	Got to agree with Draco, here. Rajaat's bad news and he is to the SKs what the SKs are to dirt farmers. In short, if Rajaat were to come back, he'd make short work of the remaining SKs (there aren't enough to imprison him, this time, especially if it's run after Abalach-Re is done away with). He'd basically be making a beer run out of it.
#6 Grummore Mar 12, 2005 18:32:22	I'd say no, Rajaat is the nightmare of everyone, EVEN the SK, which made him more than just a threath. If he is over athas, then he is just someone known by everyone. That's the same thing than the Aliens Movies. The first one is scary because you THINK there is something. The second one is just out of the ordinary because you KNOW there are there.
#7 psiseveredhead Mar 17, 2005 12:41:53	No. FR was damaged by too many world-shattering events, and so has Dark Sun.
#8 lyric Mar 17, 2005 22:04:53	Just imagine though, Rajaat is an epic level character's epic level character :P A SK's Sorceror King when you've reached the top, who is left to tangle with?? and who can always kick your but?? :P the only problem is, most campaigns haven't created a counterpart for Rajaat, hence, no balance.. but if you were a character metamorphing into a Dragon, wouldn't you want to serve Rajaat if you had no qualms about his plan?? I'd take the place as the right hand of God if elevated me from the status of an angel (or devil :P) If power is really your concern, heck yeah, why not?? I could even serve him as a neutral character (with evil tendencies ) if absolute power was my goal, and I didn't give a crud about different races, I'd take his path. Imagine, just you and Rajaat, and a bunch of halflings.. once they controlled the world, and Rajaat satisfied his own demons, i'd embark on further mastery of the magic and psionics he'd bestowed me with. Heck, he could transform me into an avangion for all I cared, as long as my power increased. Let him rule the halflings, let them rule themselves, who cares?? As long as you retain the power to play with the fabric of the cosmos, all's fair... let's get three cheers for unabashed fanaticism! :D Hip hip, hurray!!
#9 beyowulf Mar 17, 2005 22:26:13	Just imagine though, Rajaat is an epic level character's epic level character :P A SK's Sorceror King when you've reached the top, who is left to tangle with?? and who can always kick your but?? :P the only problem is, most campaigns haven't created a counterpart for Rajaat, hence, no balance.. but if you were a character metamorphing into a Dragon, wouldn't you want to serve Rajaat if you had no qualms about his plan?? I'd take the place as the right hand of God if elevated me from the status of an angel (or devil :P) If power is really your concern, heck yeah, why not?? I could even serve him as a neutral character (with evil tendencies ) if absolute power was my goal, and I didn't give a crud about different races, I'd take his path. Imagine, just you and Rajaat, and a bunch of halflings.. once they controlled the world, and Rajaat satisfied his own demons, i'd embark on further mastery of the magic and psionics he'd bestowed me with. Heck, he could transform me into an avangion for all I cared, as long as my power increased. Let him rule the halflings, let them rule themselves, who cares?? As long as you retain the power to play with the fabric of the cosmos, all's fair... let's get three cheers for unabashed fanaticism! :D Hip hip, hurray!! Depends. Is Rajaat still sane? Course, its debateable as to whether or not it he was every sane. After how his former Champions betrayed him, wouldn't he rather pre-emptively squash you? And who says he needs you? Likely he has all the power he needs to accomplish his goals. As a non-halfling, you'd be no longer relevant. As a defiling dragon, perhaps you'd even be eyesore, a threat to nature, something to be eliminated.
#10 lyric Mar 18, 2005 15:50:09	Well, imagine being a fanatic, only.. better so, not the Sacha and Wyan type of thing, blindly following.. but someone who actually agreed with Rajaat, but for different reasons.. someone who saw the rebirth as something else.. as an experiment, one that had failed.. and with the dispassionate view of a scientist, decides that it is correct to start over. So he gains power, works his way up, and frees Rajaat. And allows Rajaat to work his magic on him, and follows every command of Rajaat exactly. A vassal and a Lord. Master and Servant. But with honor in following. And obligation to duty He could realize that the method of destroying the impure races is irrelevant, but that starting over is needed.. in fighting them, he would employ warriors, knowing that to use a plague might spill over and harm the halflings, or that it could taint the land which would then taint the sea.. so the sword is really the best way to go.. and with the way a dragon defiles, it's in reality the purest way to dispose of the impurities.. completely removing it from the ecology.. burn it out, and leave the rest unharmed (or repairable..) like attacking a cancer... Treat a new dragon under Rajaat like a cleric and his deity.. I'd love to play a character who had the goal of taking out the other races of Athas.. that would put him against the SK's, (if Rajaat didn't take them out himself) it would put him against Sadira, the Preservers and Defilers.. heck, I'd fassion a large scale spell to prevent anyone from using arcane sorcery in the entire valey.. (locking all the land from being tapped). Then I'd go on a wizard hunt :P and because I could pull from animals.. I wouldn't care.. (course, I would hope that I could also pull from the sun too :P)
#11 beyowulf Mar 18, 2005 16:42:23	Treat a new dragon under Rajaat like a cleric and his deity.. I'd love to play a character who had the goal of taking out the other races of Athas.. that would put him against the SK's, (if Rajaat didn't take them out himself) it would put him against Sadira, the Preservers and Defilers.. heck, I'd fassion a large scale spell to prevent anyone from using arcane sorcery in the entire valey.. (locking all the land from being tapped). Then I'd go on a wizard hunt :P and because I could pull from animals.. I wouldn't care.. (course, I would hope that I could also pull from the sun too :P) Yes, but you're still making the assumption that if you're loyal to Rajaat, he'll be loyal to you. It doesn't necessarily work that way. Who says he won't turn on you, once he's done using you? That right, there is nothing guaranteeing that.
#12 lyric Mar 18, 2005 18:10:49	That's true enough.. I guess it's up to the DM, is Rajaat like the sinister side of all DM's? out to get the playes?? (we're all well familiar with that :P) or would your DM use him as a tool to keep your Epic level PC in check?? after all, isn't that the hard part of playing an Epic level game?? keeping things in check?? "once you've dominated the world a couple times, it gets a little old :P "