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How are Conclave members chosen

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#1
true_blue
Mar 10, 2005 15:09:54 How exactly are Conclave members decided upon? As in, how is someone chosen to be on the Conclave? And do Conclave members serve for life?

I know how the Heads of the Robes are chosen, it says in the ToHS. White Robes vote, Red Robes draw lots, and the Black Robes duel it out with the best typically being the Head. Do you think the same can be said for Conclave members? Would the Black Robes who are interested being on the Conclabe when a position opens up duel it out? Or could a Black Robe kill off a rival(not in the Tower) and then show up when the position was vacant? Remember, wizards do kill wizards.. I dont see much of a problem with this, as long as its not done in the Tower. Do the current White Robes vote on the candidates who present themselves? And do the Red Robes just have the candidates draw lots?

Also if the Red Robes draw lots, doesnt that mean you could typically have subpar wizards serving considering everyone has equal chance, even one that is like 10th level or something. I realize there is no stipulation that the wizards on the Conclave have to be powerful, but I would assume most of them are in some way.

I currently have a Black Robe in my party and he's dead set on trying to get to the Conclave sometime. I dont mind at least letting him try, just trying to figure out how I want to go about it.
#2
Charles_Phipps
Mar 10, 2005 15:48:13 It seems its done by election according to Wizard's Conclave. You announce your candidacy for leadership of the Conclave and all wizards who pass the Test then vote for you. It seems that as long as its 21 members then the ruling is binding and presumably its held every time a Conclave leader dies or steps down. There doesn't seem to be "term limits" but I would presume votes of no confidence or wizard's duels to smote an incompetent leader could be held.
#3
true_blue
Mar 10, 2005 15:55:30 eh.. I asked about the members of the Conclave, not the leader of the Conclave. I already know how the Heads are chosen, from ToHS sourcebook and Wizard's Conclave.
#4
Charles_Phipps
Mar 10, 2005 16:00:33
eh.. I asked about the members of the Conclave, not the leader of the Conclave. I already know how the Heads are chosen, from ToHS sourcebook and Wizard's Conclave.

Sorry, answer.

They're there when the problems are asked.
#5
kipper_snifferdoo_02
Mar 10, 2005 16:24:27 If I had to hazard a guess or implement this in my game it would probably go something like this. Each order will probably have it's own methods but follow the same sort of methodology.

Each current Conclave member keeps their position for life. But each member would choose a successor. I would say that in the selection process a Conclave member selects a wizard to follow in their footsteps when they leave the Conclave. They would either choose a student of theirs or another member in the Order that have proven themselves or follows the same ideals as the Conclave member.

Perhaps if the wizard is looking to join the Conclave he can approach a current Conclave member and ask them to sponsor him. If that Conclave member has already selected a wizard perhaps the wizards looking to join must prove themself. (Wizard Dual, or go on some quest to prove their loyalty, or create a certain version of a spell or craft a magic item or artifact, yadda, yadda, yadda) If they succeed they are chosen and maybe they even have to defend that position until the Conclave member passes away, is killed, or steps down for whatever reason.

Just my 2 copper.
#6
zombiegleemax
Mar 10, 2005 20:07:08 Having failed to find anything 'canon' on the subject, here's some of my thoughts:

I don't think there would ever be any sort of formal 'application' to the position, purely because I reckon they'd want to choose from all possible Wizards rather than just applicants. To be part of the conclave you should have to dedicate your life to the Art even more than being a Wizard already demands, so to prove your dedication you would accept it as a life-long position. I think that the six remaining Conclave members would discuss possible aspirants until the majority agreed on one.
Like Kipper said, each Order probably has it's own specific methods in deciding whether a Wizard is worth consideration - things like:

* contribution to furthering the 'good image' of the Order (White Robes)
* advancements in magery, i.e. creating innovative magic items (Red Robes)
* best scary hedge maze (Black Robes)

The last one was a joke but you get the picture

If they offered the position to a Wizard that didn't want the responsibility of becoming one of the Conclave, then I guess they would choose another mage. I do believe however that they'd be wise enough to pick people who would say yes to their offer. I also think that there would be a "if you say 'no' we'll never ask you again" clause.

Perhaps for the first two years of their ... um... Conclaveship? They could spend time with each of the others to see how the job is done. That's four months with each conclave Wizard of their order.
#7
raggart_knug
Mar 12, 2005 1:56:18
If they offered the position to a Wizard that didn't want the responsibility of becoming one of the Conclave, then I guess they would choose another mage. I do believe however that they'd be wise enough to pick people who would say yes to their offer. I also think that there would be a "if you say 'no' we'll never ask you again" clause.

I think there's also consequences if you refuse to take a leadership role when you reach a certain level. According to Dalamar the Dark, part of the reason the Conclave had an issue with Raistin (aside from the fact that he refused to open the Tower of Palanthus) was that he also refused to take his "rightful" position as a leader within the Orders.
#8
zombiegleemax
Mar 12, 2005 23:23:47 Well the Conclaves had a lot of issues with Raistlin those just being two of them. I think the White robes would nominate and vote on new members for the Conclave themselves. Red Robes would still most likely draw lots out of a field of candidates that have proven themselves loyal to Lunitari and the Conclave. The Black Robes, I would assume, fight for the right to be on the Conclave whether it be a wizards duel or sabotaging another candidates attempt to join. Not something I've put a lot of thought into it, but I should as I have a Red Robe aspiring to become a Concalve member in the future. I'm playing it this way at the moment and I'll see how it goes.

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#1 true_blue Mar 10, 2005 15:09:54	How exactly are Conclave members decided upon? As in, how is someone chosen to be on the Conclave? And do Conclave members serve for life? I know how the Heads of the Robes are chosen, it says in the ToHS. White Robes vote, Red Robes draw lots, and the Black Robes duel it out with the best typically being the Head. Do you think the same can be said for Conclave members? Would the Black Robes who are interested being on the Conclabe when a position opens up duel it out? Or could a Black Robe kill off a rival(not in the Tower) and then show up when the position was vacant? Remember, wizards do kill wizards.. I dont see much of a problem with this, as long as its not done in the Tower. Do the current White Robes vote on the candidates who present themselves? And do the Red Robes just have the candidates draw lots? Also if the Red Robes draw lots, doesnt that mean you could typically have subpar wizards serving considering everyone has equal chance, even one that is like 10th level or something. I realize there is no stipulation that the wizards on the Conclave have to be powerful, but I would assume most of them are in some way. I currently have a Black Robe in my party and he's dead set on trying to get to the Conclave sometime. I dont mind at least letting him try, just trying to figure out how I want to go about it.
#2 Charles_Phipps Mar 10, 2005 15:48:13	It seems its done by election according to Wizard's Conclave. You announce your candidacy for leadership of the Conclave and all wizards who pass the Test then vote for you. It seems that as long as its 21 members then the ruling is binding and presumably its held every time a Conclave leader dies or steps down. There doesn't seem to be "term limits" but I would presume votes of no confidence or wizard's duels to smote an incompetent leader could be held.
#3 true_blue Mar 10, 2005 15:55:30	eh.. I asked about the members of the Conclave, not the leader of the Conclave. I already know how the Heads are chosen, from ToHS sourcebook and Wizard's Conclave.
#4 Charles_Phipps Mar 10, 2005 16:00:33	eh.. I asked about the members of the Conclave, not the leader of the Conclave. I already know how the Heads are chosen, from ToHS sourcebook and Wizard's Conclave. Sorry, answer. They're there when the problems are asked.
#5 kipper_snifferdoo_02 Mar 10, 2005 16:24:27	If I had to hazard a guess or implement this in my game it would probably go something like this. Each order will probably have it's own methods but follow the same sort of methodology. Each current Conclave member keeps their position for life. But each member would choose a successor. I would say that in the selection process a Conclave member selects a wizard to follow in their footsteps when they leave the Conclave. They would either choose a student of theirs or another member in the Order that have proven themselves or follows the same ideals as the Conclave member. Perhaps if the wizard is looking to join the Conclave he can approach a current Conclave member and ask them to sponsor him. If that Conclave member has already selected a wizard perhaps the wizards looking to join must prove themself. (Wizard Dual, or go on some quest to prove their loyalty, or create a certain version of a spell or craft a magic item or artifact, yadda, yadda, yadda) If they succeed they are chosen and maybe they even have to defend that position until the Conclave member passes away, is killed, or steps down for whatever reason. Just my 2 copper.
#6 zombiegleemax Mar 10, 2005 20:07:08	Having failed to find anything 'canon' on the subject, here's some of my thoughts: I don't think there would ever be any sort of formal 'application' to the position, purely because I reckon they'd want to choose from all possible Wizards rather than just applicants. To be part of the conclave you should have to dedicate your life to the Art even more than being a Wizard already demands, so to prove your dedication you would accept it as a life-long position. I think that the six remaining Conclave members would discuss possible aspirants until the majority agreed on one. Like Kipper said, each Order probably has it's own specific methods in deciding whether a Wizard is worth consideration - things like: * contribution to furthering the 'good image' of the Order (White Robes) * advancements in magery, i.e. creating innovative magic items (Red Robes) * best scary hedge maze (Black Robes) The last one was a joke but you get the picture If they offered the position to a Wizard that didn't want the responsibility of becoming one of the Conclave, then I guess they would choose another mage. I do believe however that they'd be wise enough to pick people who would say yes to their offer. I also think that there would be a "if you say 'no' we'll never ask you again" clause. Perhaps for the first two years of their ... um... Conclaveship? They could spend time with each of the others to see how the job is done. That's four months with each conclave Wizard of their order.
#7 raggart_knug Mar 12, 2005 1:56:18	If they offered the position to a Wizard that didn't want the responsibility of becoming one of the Conclave, then I guess they would choose another mage. I do believe however that they'd be wise enough to pick people who would say yes to their offer. I also think that there would be a "if you say 'no' we'll never ask you again" clause. I think there's also consequences if you refuse to take a leadership role when you reach a certain level. According to Dalamar the Dark, part of the reason the Conclave had an issue with Raistin (aside from the fact that he refused to open the Tower of Palanthus) was that he also refused to take his "rightful" position as a leader within the Orders.
#8 zombiegleemax Mar 12, 2005 23:23:47	Well the Conclaves had a lot of issues with Raistlin those just being two of them. I think the White robes would nominate and vote on new members for the Conclave themselves. Red Robes would still most likely draw lots out of a field of candidates that have proven themselves loyal to Lunitari and the Conclave. The Black Robes, I would assume, fight for the right to be on the Conclave whether it be a wizards duel or sabotaging another candidates attempt to join. Not something I've put a lot of thought into it, but I should as I have a Red Robe aspiring to become a Concalve member in the future. I'm playing it this way at the moment and I'll see how it goes.