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#1fenn_shysaMar 15, 2005 0:08:46 | The Search feature seems to be down right now. So... Just trying to add realism to the our GH game. I would like to know what books or modules had listed GH specific food and drinks. I've been flipping through all my old 2nd edition books and all I have found was what was listed in the ToEE and RToEE books. There was also the stuff listed in the back of the AaEG, but nothing seemed GH specific. I would appreciate any help you guys can give me, even if it is off "Larry's Magic Kung Fu and Greyhawk stuff" website. |
#2ElendurMar 15, 2005 0:46:29 | G1 has some drow wine that forces the drinker to consume until unconciousness. It didn't seem like a very drow-like drink to me. I assume they were using to hook the giants as a form of control, they didn't drink it themselves. Is that the kind of stuff you are looking for? btw What's the address for Larry's site? Sounds sweet ;) |
#3fenn_shysaMar 15, 2005 10:33:48 | Actually, I didn't really mean anything that has a different game mechanic or Save that has to be made (though that isn't bad). I was hoping for specifically named drinks, example, instead of saying 'Elvish red wine', say 'Celene Ruby'. That sort of thing. Basically, Im looking for actual names of beer, wine, ale, mead, etc. I would also like specific food names too, or at least an elaboration of common food/meals in Greyhawk. I some how doubt that most of the menus in Greyhawk Inns and such say: Food Poor = 3cp Fair = 2sp Good = 1gp Excellent* = 5gp *We only serve Excellent meals after 6pm Moonday thru Waterday |
#4ElendurMar 15, 2005 10:41:17 | In the dungeons of A2, the goblins are making cheese, and keeping bees for honey. Cheese making, beekeeper goblins. That just boggles my mind. Not related to your query, but I've been thinking about the modules I've been playing and I remembered that. |
#5zombiegleemaxMar 15, 2005 14:49:34 | I believe you already referenced it as AaEG but we have used Aurora's guide and just changed the names a bit. Greyhawk can steal from the Realms can't it? God knows they've "borrowed" enough from us. For example Luirien (sp?) Cheese is called "Elmshire Cheese." I know they're not GH specific but it's at least a source for material. |
#6max_writerMar 15, 2005 14:57:38 | I have a huge list of non-official stuff. The only official I know of are: • Djekul* - Delicious, creamy, powerfully aromatic (fishy) cheese from the Fruzt settlement of the same name. 26 s.p./wheel. • Molvarti* - Goat cheese from Ket. Moderately spiced, it blends well with cream sauces that highlight platters of sliced lamb roast. It has a crumbling texture. 11 s.p./wheel. • Wickler* - Greenish marbling gives this ivory-colored cheese from the Yeomanry its distinguishing appearance. Wheels aged over 12 months to ensure a smooth pungent flavor and then sealed within a wax rind. Available with or without nuts. With nuts - 13 s.p./wheel, w/o nuts - 12 s.p./wheel. • Cockles in Laminari* — Small muscles in a hearty and flavorful purple brown kelp sauce. It is served stewed in a firefinger broth. This comes from the Solnor Ocean from the former North Province. 100 g.p. • Goldenseed Nuts* — Thin-shelled nuts from Furyondy’s Gold County. Nicely salty in flavor. 7 s.p. • Karafruit Sweetchews* — Seedless cubes of karafruit cured under the summer sun. Usually in quaint pouches of folded deklo leaves. 14 c.p. • Karispa* — Peppery cress from marshlands of the southwestern Nutherwood. Chopped or sliced, adds zest to cold vegetable trencher. Sometimes simmered or steeped in red wine vinegar and water for mild but popular pepper sauce. 55 s.p./bushel. • Pilac* — Long, brown grain from Lordship of the Isles. Added to fish stew, stuffing for fowl, or broiled in beef rolls. 15 g.p./5 pound sack. • Tusham* — Galdawood smoked boar’s meat wrapped in cheesecloth. 6. g.p./pound. • Villosa* — Wild tuber from Gamboge and Vesve Forests. Flesh is red and meaty and grows soft when cooked. 18 g.p./bushel • Bejil* — Blend of wild herbs, leafings, and certain rootstocks created in Adri Forest. Called also “Sacred Grove,” “Elflord’s Delight,” and “Citrine Zest.” Appears to be potpourri but when hot water is added, creates a hot tonic. 67 g.p./barrel • Frinnecre* — Celene blends with sweet cider from fruit juices and extracts taken at the peak of sweetness and preserved without fermentation. Similar ciders are to be had in each of the southern Lortmil lands. Cherry Frinnecre - cherry mix of orange, peach, and white grape nectars, light and tasty. Duchy of Ulek’s Uskfruit Frinnecre - cherry frinnecre can be thickly reduced to a wondrous sweet sauce suitable for nut breads or hot kaffet. 1 g.p./hand keg or 5 s.p./cup • Kaffet* — Coffee from the Yatils (and Ket). 24 s.p./lb or 2 c.p./cup. • Keoghish Amber** — Rich reddish sweet ale that has a strong hop taste and aroma. 1 s.p./pint or 30 s.p./1-gallon keg (DC11) • Skyrss* — Partially fermented barley and whey drink that hardly qualifies as beer. Popular with northern barbarians. It is cloudy and somewhat sour when fresh. Very filling and leaves no hangover. 10 g.p./10-gallon cask or 2 s.p./pint (DC 10) • Ambiere* — Furyondian apple wine that looks like liquid gold in the cup. It is light and crisp on the tongue with a slightly acidic aftertaste. 44 s.p./bottle or 5 s.p./glass. (DC11) • Celenien Nectarwine** — Another green Fey wine that is sweeter and more flowery tasting than Celenien Green. Said to be made from the nectar of flowers. 250 g.p./bottle or 25 g.p./glass. (Elves DC10, all other races DC15) • Iriador* — Celene ruby red (best known of Celene wines). Dark and heavy (made to please the human palate) it’s fruity undertones remains stable at room temperature as well as when chilled. 12 g.p./bottle or 2 g.p./glass. (DC11) • Shamarit* — Dry Velunan wine (mix of dark and white whines - pale pink). Frost symbol on casks signify that this northern Velunan wine made from grapes left unpicked until after a good icing (frost). 9 g.p./bottle or 9 s.p./glass. (DC12) • Silaurey* — A medium bodied, highly palatable cinnamon flavored wine from the City of Greyhawk (Cairn Hills winemakers). Bottles with the winemarking of Drenn presses are superior. 28 s.p./bottle or 3 g.p./glass. (DC11) • Gauglathiir* — From Celene comes the wintergreen flavored ‘nectarwine.’ Cast reminiscent of liquid emeralds and possesses a subtle flavor that continues to play across the tongue long after a glass of human wine. Bottles in ribboned satchels of crushed velvet. 21 g.p./bottle or 3 g.p./glass. (DC12) • Heathen* — From the dwarves of the Lone Heath. This is a thick, sweet berry wine that is well-fortified and powerful. 4 c.p./cup or 5 g.p./barrel. (DC12) • Sunndi Sweet Violet Wine** — A very sweet after dinner wine with a flowery taste. Made with raspberries. It has a wholesome violet color and comes from Sunndi. 30 g.p./bottle or 3 g.p./glass (DC12) • Galda Fruit Brandy* — Tosscor family of the so-called Wild Coast makes it. Smooth and consistent. Sword and sickle seal if Tosscor. Common - 10 g.p./1-gallon cask or 2 g.p./pint, Tosscor - 15 g.p./1-gallon cask or 3 g.p./pint. (DC11) • Mist Mash* — Very hard white corn liquor from the settlement of Hawkeen in the Mistmarsh. 21 s.p./bottle or 3 c.p./glass. (DC13) * — “A Return to Falcon’s Bazaar” by Noel Graham, Dragon 271, May 2000. ** — At Moonset Blackcat comes” by Gary Gygax, Dragon Aug. 1985. The DCs for alcohol consumption (from the Arms and Equipment Guide rules) are of my own devising. For unofficial stuff, there was an internet article called "Beers of Greyhawk" that had a lot of good stuff as well as "Tavern Fare of the Flanaess." Sorry, but I'm not sure where they are located. You can also check out www.peldor.com for the Green Dragon Inn Menu. Then there's www.canonfire.com with articles "Keoish Brandy" by OldManReaver, "The Wines of Oerik, Part One: The Highvale" by Alasdair, and "The Wines of Oerik, Part Two: Celene and the Wild Coast." Hope that helps. |
#7zombiegleemaxMar 15, 2005 15:02:37 | Cool stuff Max. I'm gonna print this off and give it to my DM. I'd be interested to see your personal creations. |
#8zombiegleemaxMar 15, 2005 16:17:18 | I think on Thursday there's going to be a rebroadcast of a show on the National Geographic Channel about Taboo foods. I saw a bit of it the other night and set my TiVo to record it again. The bit I saw was about an old Viking shark recipe. They let the meat rot for a long time and then hang it to cure. The smell was akin to urine. It's a delicacy in Norway even today. I could see that in the Ice Barbarians. |
#9fenn_shysaMar 15, 2005 20:23:37 | Max, talk about hitting the nail on the head. That was exactly what I was looking for. Consider it copied and pasted. I'll also keep on the look out for the other things you mentioned. Thanks. |
#10zombiegleemaxMar 16, 2005 10:47:59 | Hello all, I haven't played D&D since 1985. Thinking about getting back into it, So I'll need everything. Where is the best place to start. Reading the site I see that it has changed ALOT, I used to play world of Grayhawk, think I still have some books and pamplets and my folks place in Louisiana. I'm in Indiana now, so again ( sorry for ramblin') how's the best way to get started? Any an All help would be greatly appriciated. |
#11fenn_shysaMar 16, 2005 10:57:17 | Hello all, I haven't played D&D since 1985. Thinking about getting back into it, So I'll need everything. Where is the best place to start. Reading the site I see that it has changed ALOT, I used to play world of Grayhawk, think I still have some books and pamplets and my folks place in Louisiana. I'm in Indiana now, so again ( sorry for ramblin') how's the best way to get started? Any an All help would be greatly appriciated. I would suggest reposting this as a New Thread. That way you will follow the guide lines of the Coc and it allows everyone to read the heading and respond to it. Right now, it is at the tail end of some guys thread about food and drinks..... |
#12max_writerMar 16, 2005 11:18:40 | Guys, I'd be happy to send you the info on my own food and drink but I think it's a little too long for the thread (almost 4,000 words) and I'm going to submit it as proposal to Dragon as well. PM me your email addresses and I'll send you a copy though. I got a lot of ideas from http://stuffucanuse.com/strange_food.htm. You might have to go to the main index (it bumped me out) and then do a search for "food." |
#13fenn_shysaMar 16, 2005 12:03:52 | Max, I would love to see what you have done. My email is in my profile. Thanks. |
#14max_writerMar 16, 2005 15:06:22 | There you go! Let me know what you think. |
#15fenn_shysaMar 16, 2005 15:22:48 | Wow, f-ing wow! I am very impressed! I hope you get this published, because it would be a great asset to the people that love Greyhawk. Tons of flavor (no pun intended). Very nice, very nice indeed. |
#16cragMar 16, 2005 16:34:05 | I for one would love too see your list max, perhaps as a canonfire article if you can't post it here... |
#17bdpenneyMar 16, 2005 21:22:54 | Great question, and you've most of the answers! But don't forget the Big Mak, the most delicious burger of the Pomarj! |
#18scoti_garbidisMar 17, 2005 17:22:26 | Wow, f-ing wow! I am very impressed! I hope you get this published, because it would be a great asset to the people that love Greyhawk. Tons of flavor (no pun intended). Very nice, very nice indeed. I agree with you 100%, I am a player in Max Writer's game and I DM for him. I had given up on D&D before I was introduced to him. He revived my gaming spirt and introduced myself and some friends to the WOG about 5 or 6 years ago. He is an awesome DM and from what i have seen and read, he is also an excellent writer. It is a shame he is published more but he will be in the future. Since we are talking about his food list, it is awesome, my only problem is getting my 2-year-old to let me read it and not use me for a jungle gym. 2 thumbs up Max! |
#19zombiegleemaxMar 17, 2005 19:51:52 | I must say Max...that's verily cool. Makin' me thirsty though |
#20zombiegleemaxMar 18, 2005 2:07:42 | A particular dish I remember from a Dyvers LG mod is Tri-Tower Duck: An adult duck, glazed with an orange sauce containing a hint of pineapple juice and cinnamon from Blackmoor (exceedingly rare). It was stuffed with breading, venison of a Gnarley stag, some type of Nyr Dyv fish, and dragon turtle meat. It is served with room temperature fey wine found in the Gnarley Forest, or Wenta’s Ale from the local Wentan church. It is usually accompanied by a salad and raw fruits, and I also remember some stone-ground wheat bread rolls and churned butter. For dessert there was a choice of layered chocolate cake or a latticed strawberry pie with whipped topping. All food was prepared by Kaga Kobi, Halfling cook (Rog. 6/Ill. 4/Arcane Trickster 10/Exp 5), ex-adventurer and proprietor of Kaga’s Bakery and The Daggery: A shop for the dagger afficianado⁚. The Tri-Tower is headquarters for the Dyvers Wizards’ Guild and has an exclusive dining club for guildmembers and their invited guests. Members are expected to wear a wizard’s outfit, aristocrat’s outfit, or noble’s outfit, unless they are an officer of the military or constabulary and then it is acceptable for them to wear ceremonial armor and sword. Otherwise, diners are expected to check their weapons, save a single dagger. The doorman is a retired constable with +20 to spot on hidden weapons. |
#21dndgameupdate1Mar 18, 2005 2:24:58 | PM me your email addresses and I'll send you a copy though. Thanks Max, very cool food list, it will be used! |
#22max_writerMar 18, 2005 6:58:24 | I've sent emails to all who requested. If you didn't get one, let me know (my internet skills are not great). Oroborus, the duck recipe is cool. Do you remember which LG adventure it was from? I'd like to add it to my master list but always try to note sources so I don't get them mixed up with my own ideas. |
#23zombiegleemaxMar 18, 2005 9:59:11 | I think it was in the GH City boxed set that had a recipe for stuffed stirges, I think they were honey-glazed stuffed stirges or something like that. At the Golden Phoenix if I am remembering correctly. |
#24ElendurMar 18, 2005 11:39:14 | Mmm, stuffed stirges...what are they stuffed with? I'd bet they'd be really succulent if you let them suck on a baby unicorn or something before roasting them. |
#25zombiegleemaxMar 21, 2005 21:01:25 | Oroborus, the duck recipe is cool. Do you remember which LG adventure it was from? I'd like to add it to my master list but always try to note sources so I don't get them mixed up with my own ideas. I believe that it was from DYV3-06 One for Those Long Gone by Phil Thompson, but it has been a while, so I'm not 100% sure |
#26dmstueMar 22, 2005 1:32:59 | Thanks for the list Max, I'm gonna use it in my game tonight to add ..... wait for it .... flavour It's the details such as this that can really make a difference. |
#27max_writerMar 22, 2005 11:10:10 | Hope everyone enjoyed the list and good luck using it in your campaign. Let me know how it goes. |
#28fenn_shysaMar 24, 2005 11:31:59 | Last night we put the final chapter of The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth to rest. Then we made the grueling journey back to Furyondy. There we spent several hours getting our spirits up (no pun intended) in the Golden Boar. We used several of drinks off of the list. It was awesome to say "what do you have?" The bartender would list a few things, and then I could say "nah, I dont like the taste of that. What else do you have?" Thanks again for the list. We will be using it until we stop rpging. |
#29max_writerMar 24, 2005 13:20:06 | You're welcome. Glad you found a good use for it. I'm constantly adding to it. I realize I left honey mead off entirely and am working on adding that now. |
#30OleOneEyeMar 28, 2005 21:48:21 | Wasn't there a Dragon several years back that listed various foods of the Flaneass? |
#31max_writerMar 29, 2005 11:07:24 | I believe that was “A Return to Falcon’s Bazaar” by Noel Graham in Dragon 271, May 2000. If there was another, I'd love to hear about it. |