Also Chemosh was a god for one of the nations in the Bible.
Is it me or do I picture Chemosh as being similar in looks to Steele Brightblade from the Second Generation book cover.
I don't quite picture him like that, although I do picture him wearing black, being handsome (at least in this trilogy), and having dark hair.
Also Chemosh was a god for one of the nations in the Bible.
You will find that there's a lot of influence from the Bible and the Book of Mormon in Dragonlance.
I don't quite picture him like that, although I do picture him wearing black, being handsome (at least in this trilogy), and having dark hair.
You will find that there's a lot of influence from the Bible and the Book of Mormon in Dragonlance.
Also Hades from the Greek Mythology is mentioned in Holy Bible (Revelation).
Also Hades from the Greek Mythology is mentioned in Holy Bible (Revelation).
They're not quite the same thing. The Hades in Greek mythology was the final place for the unclaimed dead. Hades in The Bible is the waiting place for those to be judged at the great judgement seat. Hades is also mentioned in the old testament which was written thousands of years before the new testament. Paradise is mentioned in both the Koran and The Bible as well but they are not the same place either. Paradise, in The Bible, was where the those who were obedient to God and his convenant. They remained there until the Lamb of God was sacrifcied and finally all their sins could be forgiven so they could then enter heaven. Paradise according to the Koran is a place where one loyal to Allah and the teachings of Muhammed goes after death, and if he died during a Jihad he was given seven virgins there as well. Quite different.
The Hades in Greek mythology was the final place for the unclaimed dead.
I thought Hades was the god of the underworld, and Tartarus was the Greek equivalent of Hell?
When you speak about the gods in greek tradition, you don't think just about the anthropomorphised (made human) dieties of the myths and greek plays. They were not bureaucrats who had a specific "portfolio" but rather the embodiments of anything immortal. For example, each river had a god attached to it... which is why Achilles battles the river Scamander in The Illiad.
Hades then is the anthropomorphisation of immortal death. (Though Thanatos, another diety, is more specifically is the act of dying... hence if you'll look up death in a Greek Lexicon, it will be translated as thanatos). Hades himself is the grave, the afterlife, the secrets beneath the earth, etc.
Click on this link to see a lexicon entry: Perseus Project Lexicon "Grave, Death"
Translate "war" into greek you get words like "Ares" think about what the gods represent, and you'll probably find their name as one of the Greek translated words.
Perseus Project Word Search English - Greek
As a side note, the Perseus project is a godsend for all classical studies.
The place, the act, the whole existance (or lack thereof) of it. Which is why you can't really say the unclaimed dead ended up in Hades. Remember, pretty much everyone Odysseus knew in life who had died in could be summoned from the land of the dead with the blood of the sacrificed lamb in The Oddyssey. It is interesting to note that the shades only can interact with the material world by drinking the blood of this animal, showing that they had a conception of the material vs. the immaterial. (ie. Spirits need the corporealness of life to interact with the living).
Of course since "Hades" is an awfully depressing existance, so it is no surprise that there are religious movements that chose paths to get around it. Specifically this refers to the mystery cults. Remember the movie "Gladiator" by Ridley Scott, the master of the modern hollywood epic? (a.k.a raping history for political ends). Well he talks about Elysium, which was a place of the dead for those who had been initiated into the Elusian Mysteries, a cult of Demeter and Persephone which promised a more pleasant afterlife than Hades had to offer. Other mystery cults existed, including ones dedicated to Dionysus, Mithra (which the roman soldiers actually preferred), the Egyptian Goddess Isis, and of course Christianity. However, even though Christianity sprang from Hellenistic culture, Christianity is now centuries older than the Roman religious traditions it replaced. Remember neo-pagans and atheists and others eager to find fault with Christianity... A critique of Christianity's origins is valid, a lack of recognition of 2,000 years of theological development and historical change is not.
Of course to all this, we have to add a caveat of the fact that religious ideas were very flexible. There was no Holy Catholic Church to attempt to enforce common cannon, doctrines, dogmas, and theology.
To go back to Classical Greece, there was state (polis) control of religious rituals for cultivating benevolence of the gods (they wish you well in the way that they do not wish you any specific harm). However, the big questions about how to live a good life, what happens after you die, and such were largely connected to oral tradition. Socrates/Plato of course, when dealing with this question felt reason was better for figuring this out and founded philosophy. There was a feeling that the gods felt (and knew) something, but the nature of the gods, the afterlife, and of justice was something that you could find many contradicting myths and traditions about.
I keep Old School Orcus.
I wonder how Mina would react to his "true" face
A goat headed guy with a wand and legions of undead?
I keep Old School Orcus.
I wonder how Mina would react to his "true" face
Chemosh did mention to Mina that he had other faces and other forms she wouldn't find so alluring, indicating that, yes, Chemosh does have monstrous aspects...
--and yes, Chemosh is the Krynnish version of Orcus NB