Thus, I propose that we add a tribe or two to each of the Clans. In doing so, I thought it would be appropriate to ask for suggestions. Please post your ideas in this thread, and don't forget to say what Clan each name you suggest is for.
...and my revised Atruaghin Clans map.
How about naming some of the tribes after magical beasts such as griffons, wyverns etc?
Gary
Orca Tribe for the Turtle Clan.
If we go for the magical beast option.
Griffon Tribe and Wyvern Tribe both for the Horse Clan.
Gary
For the Children of the Turtle: Dolphin Tribe, Sea-Horse Tribe, Walrus Tribe.
For the Children of the Tiger: Crocodile Tribe (and perhaps Rhinoceros Tribe?).
For the Children of the Horse: Hyena Tribe, Mosquito Tribe.
For the Children of the Bear: Hare Tribe.
Noooo.... Not the Hare Bear Tribe :D
Gary
Noooo.... Not the Hare Bear Tribe :D
Gary
I suppose you're right...
(Rabbit Tribe? I don't know...)
Mink Tribe - Tiger Clan
Chipmunk Tribe - Elk Clan
Otter Tribe - Elk or Tiger Clan
Skunk Tribe - old Snake clan?
Gary
Well, I'll just voice my opinion and say these should be changed in (see proposals):
Tiger Clan:
Sloth??? -> Viper (the old name of the whole clan according to "civilized maps!" is prolly the name of the most troublesome tribe for the Darokinians
)Piranha?? (HOW THERE??) -> Wolverine
Elk Clan:
Trout?? (no river signs there!) -> Porcupine
Beaver??? (again no rivers!) -> Skunk
Turtle Clan:
Sea lion -> Whale (it's the Bay of Whales, for Protius's Sake! :D)
If these cannot be changed, the names I suggested above are just ideas for other tribes then
To clarify, the names currently on both maps are indeed the official tribe names. :P
More later, I'm a bit rushed right now.
Added a whole new macro-tribe, the Children of the Vulture, along the northwestern, western, and southwestern cliffs. They are an evil-oriented tribe, like the Children of the Tiger, and worship their own female vulture-oriented Immortal (whose name escapes me, as I am typing this at work). They live in villages on the cliffs, like the Children of the Bear, though rather than pueblos their villages are all tall, giant cylinders, in which their pet vultures and giant vultures nest with them. They are a combination between Apaches and Gurkhas, reflecting a strong Sindhi influence. The clans are: Jackal, Spider, Scarab, Horned Toad, Dog, Buzzard, Baboon, and Scorpion, in that order, from just west of the Falcon clan of the Children of the bear, counterclockwise around the plateau through to the end of the plains/hills.
IMC, the eastern macro-tribe is known as the Children of the Viper, as snakes are common there. The Children of the Tiger was the ur-tribe of Danel Tiger-Stripes in ancient history, which was broken up after his kingdom fell apart, and the survivors formed the Children of the Viper and the Children of the Vulture. the Children of the Tiger remain as an inter-tribal sodality, followers of Danel Tiger-Stripes who seek to conquer all the Atruaghin lands in the name of their evil Immortal.
I moves the Children of the Elk off the plateau, into the lands betwen the Viper and Turtle, made all of that territory forested, and added a bunch of rivers (lots of slow, winding, swampy rivers in Viper territory). Note that the Turtle use very little of the land they are on, fishing and living along the rivers of the land, but little else, as they go whaling and fishing out at sea. This gives the whole of the top of the plateau to the Children of the Horse, which makes a lot more sense, as nomadic peoples need a LOT more room to survive than settled peoples. Greatly expanded the rivers on the plateau, and moved the base settlements around.
Crow Tribe
Dog Tribe
Spider Tribe
Goose Tribe
And just to be a nit-picker: Cougar and Mountain Lion are two names for the same animal (some would add Puma as well).
Since there is definitely more room in the region for more tribes/clans (especially since the plateau had been shortchanged on the Gaz14 map), perhaps we could fill the area with these two clans. I'd imagine the Wolf Clan would probably be in the woods just south of the plateau, perhaps between the Tiger and Turtle Clans, while the Boar Clan might be in the woods along the coastlands? Below the Tiger Clan?
Really have to get back to doing more with the Clans one of these days...
I'm also not at all fond of using either Tiger or Viper for the clan in the southeast, but perhaps its best to just let this go and consider this more of a merged jungle culture than an analogue of Central/Southern American cultures.
As for the mention of the Boar Clan and Wolf Clan in X10, I would consider the Boar Clan to be apocryphal. Since the Horse Clan is a particularly warlike people, I think giving them two divisions (Wolf and Horse) would be appropriate.
Here's my list of suggestions:
New to Horse Clan: Raven Tribe ("Crow," I think, is too closely associated with the Absaroka people, although this was my initial inclination)
New to Bear Clan: Condor Tribe
New to Elk Clan: Skunk Tribe
New to Turtle Clan: Whale Tribe
New to "Snake" (Tiger) Clan: Alligator Tribe, Vulture Tribe, Anaconda Tribe, Toucan Tribe
I would recommend adding several additional rivers and, perhaps, lakes to the map, particularly near the Trout, Beaver, Piranha, and (if adopted) Alligator Tribes.
I think it is worth considering that North America has not historically been nearly as densely-populated as Europe. I'm not sure there's anything wrong with leaving some empty space on the map. Even so, here are some suggestions for additional "Clanless" tribes to be scattered around, if you like:
Armadillo Tribe, Tarantula Tribe, Peccary Tribe: in the broken lands in the northwest
Swan Tribe, Goose Tribe, Duck Tribe, Egret Tribe, Otter Tribe: along water features to be added
Chipmunk Tribe, Woodpecker Tribe, Pronghorn Tribe, Turkey Tribe, Jackrabbit Tribe, Cottontail Tribe, Prarie Dog Tribe, Dog Tribe, Spider Tribe, Cardinal Tribe, Blue Jay Tribe, Scorpion Tribe, Porcupine Tribe: pretty much anywhere there is room.
My preference would be to replace these three tribes and steer clear of names like "boar," "hyena," "rhinocerous," or "crocodile" in favor of animals of the Americas.
There are crocs in the Americas- Crocodylus acutus, in Florida.
I'm also not at all fond of using either Tiger or Viper for the clan in the southeast, but perhaps its best to just let this go and consider this more of a merged jungle culture than an analogue of Central/Southern American cultures.
The Tiger one has always been problematic, but given the proximity of the Clans to the Mystara India analogue (Sind), I think it works out okay. The Clans don't have to be exact amalgamations of RW Native Americans (in fact, they differ in several ways even in what we know of them).
As for the mention of the Boar Clan and Wolf Clan in X10, I would consider the Boar Clan to be apocryphal.
How about Javelina or Peccary Clan instead of Boar?
New to Horse Clan: Raven Tribe ("Crow," I think, is too closely associated with the Absaroka people, although this was my initial inclination)
True, but at the same time the crow is an image that is seen in many Native American traditions, and not just the Crow nation. Raven probably still works, though.
I think it is worth considering that North America has not historically been nearly as densely-populated as Europe. I'm not sure there's anything wrong with leaving some empty space on the map. Even so, here are some suggestions for additional "Clanless" tribes to be scattered around, if you like:
Yes- this is something I hoped to add/develop- that there are many "non-Clan" tribes and bands that roam the regions of the plateau along the lines you suggest.
I was (and still plan to, someday) hoping to create something such as an Alligator Tribe that inhabits the regions in and around the Malpheggi swamp, and as such, technically live on Darokinian land, rather than Atruaghin territory, which creates its own interesting cultural idiosyncracies (mixing with the Darokin population, "reservations", etc.)
Armadillo Tribe, Tarantula Tribe, Peccary Tribe: in the broken lands in the northwest
Interesting choices. Personally, I've decided that those broken lands are populated by descendants of the Red Orc tribes of Wogar that didn't emigrate to the Broken Lands, and now are a plague on the Sindhi and the Atruaghin tribes (and possibly even the Graakhalians, on those outskirts of the Shadowdeep where the two interact occasionally).
In any case, a lot of interesting tribes/bands you suggest there. I think on a larger scale map- such as a 1 mi/hex map (like the one of Morlay-Malinbois in PC4), you'd see a lot more little rivers, lakes, and tributaries like you suggest adding.