I need info on the preserver Besteren. Can you guys help me?
I mean, besides the fact that he helped Keltis develop the avangion metamorphosis...
Thanks!
That's all as far as I know. Besteren must have become the closest friend of Keltis in the in-between years, I can add, which might have helped with Oronis' newer and cleaner reputation.
High brun01!
That's all as far as I know. Besteren must have become the closest friend of Keltis in the in-between years, I can add, which might have helped with Oronis' newer and cleaner reputation.
It would be interesting to know when (in athas timeline) he met Keltis, for example, and when he was killed and by who (if ti applies).
BTW, anyone here knows something about the winged halfling mentioned on TotDL?
It would be interesting to know when (in athas timeline) he met Keltis, for example, and when he was killed and by who (if ti applies).
183rd King's Age (-539)
Guthay's Fury
With the aid of a wizard named Besteren, Oronis (formerly known as Keltis) develops the preserver metamorphosis spell to counter Rajaat's vile magic. The spell nearly kills him, but in the end Oronis emerges as Athas’ first Avangion.
184th King's Age (-462)
King's Fury
Oronis gives the preserver metamorphosis spell to a preserver/psionicist named Nerad, who becomes Athas’ second Avangion.
Wind's Fury
After revealing himself to the Veiled Alliance of Tyr, Nerad is discovered by King Kalak - who in turn contacts the Dragon. Borys later kills Nerad south of Tyr. In his grief, Oronis hides copies of the preserver metamorphosis spell.
BTW, anyone here knows something about the winged halfling mentioned on TotDL?
There was a discussion about this on the old boards and Gab (iirc) mentioned that the winged halfling was a rhulisti avangion. It's a fascinating idea but not without its problems, especially in light of the timeline. I can't remember if it was a legacy from the TSR days or if it was a more recent addition, but I have a vague recollection that it was something Brax came up with. Please correct me if I am remembering this wrong - it was quite a while back...
So there's nothing official about Besteren's death???
Good...
About the winged halfling.. kind like the ideia of it being a Rhulisti Avangion... yes we do...
It fits our plans... (evil wiked laugh)..
Is there a chance that Gab or Brax drop by to give further details?
What if the almighty Oracle summoned then???? :D
I think it was Will and Brax's idea, though like you I'm a bit uncertain on that particular point.
Who is Will???
Who is Will???
That would be Will Kendrick (Senate/Paper Nest), unless I'm mistaken...
--but it's highly unlikely and breaks canon about Oronis being the first avangion NB
As for the winged rhulisti avangion: It is theoretically possible that a rhulisti from the Blue Age went into lifeshaped-controlled hibernation, woke up during the Time of Magic, became Rajaat's disciple, later fled out of horror when he discovered what the Warbringer was planning, and then ascended to avangion status.
Good. That is possible. Specially because it fits in the athasian time line.
--but it's highly unlikely and breaks canon about Oronis being the first avangion NB
I don't see why it would break canon. Besteren, the preserver who thaught Keltis, was already an avangion when Oronis succeeded in reversing to an avangion. Oronis would be the first converted avangion. So, the rhulisti becaming an avangion before Keltis is not a canon-breaker.
What's more likely is that the Winged Rhulisti experimented with "goodness" so much that he became a "psuedo-Avangion" and the others simply used what he found out as their base. They added magic from there and created the Avangion as we know it today.
Perhaps the Rhulisti is the only true avangion (since he became it through life-shaping) the others achieved the same state but through artificial ways, induced by magic and psionics. It may be that Besteren and Oronis, learnt both from him (or researched about him) in order to create the psi-magic avangionhood.