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#1 kalanth Apr 13, 2005 13:22:12	This may have been asked, but without the search function (and the cluncky and innacurate search function on Google) I will ask anyways. How does the "On Deaths Door, -10" rule apply to a Draconian? I mean, in my games, and NPC hits -1 and poof, their death effect happens. Is it the same for a PC of a Draconian, and if so, would that slightly effect the ECL of the character because its such a negative thing to never be able to even be stabalized? (I don't allow resurection on DL, but stabalization is a different thing entirely)
#2 Nived Apr 13, 2005 13:56:52	According to the RAW they hit -1 and poof... stone, pool of acid, exploding bones, etc. I houseruled PCs get to negative 10. Just because with the LA they had less HP anyway.
#3 Sysane Apr 13, 2005 14:23:19	Same here. Off-ing a PC draconian once they hit -1 seems bit brutal.
#4 sephzero Apr 13, 2005 14:25:46	It is a bit questionable. As defined by their Death Throes, it would trigger when the draconian dies. Between -1 to -9 a character is effectively define as dying. So unless you consider that state to qualify for the trigger effect then a draconian would death throe at that point. Though I would figure it would be when they actually qualify as dead at -10 and below.
#5 cam_banks Apr 13, 2005 14:31:02	Draconian death throes activate when they die, i.e. reach -10 hit points or suffer some kind of instantaneous death effect or condition (such as massive damage, finger of death, etc). Some DMs use a "mook" rule which more or less states that once you drop a minor unnamed NPC opponent (deal enough damage to put him below 0 hp) he dies. If this is used, then NPC draconian death throes should also activate at that point. PC draconians should never explode/melt into goo/turn to stone etc before they are actually dead, however. Cheers, Cam
#6 kalanth Apr 14, 2005 5:02:43	Thanks, Cam, that solves my problem. Guess to get that beutiful moment when the Baaz turns to stone where he stood I just need to crit the PC. :D
#7 frostdawn Apr 14, 2005 8:35:58	Only downside is the statue won't remain very long, as it will turn to dust. I'm thinking it's possible, but wanted to see what you all thought of it- can you take the resultant stone/goo/acid, etc from the remains of a draconian and cast true resurrection on it, or is the draconian considered "gone for good"?
#8 cam_banks Apr 14, 2005 9:05:55	Only downside is the statue won't remain very long, as it will turn to dust. I'm thinking it's possible, but wanted to see what you all thought of it- can you take the resultant stone/goo/acid, etc from the remains of a draconian and cast true resurrection on it, or is the draconian considered "gone for good"? Some of those spells work. Raise dead and animate dead won't, for example, but true resurrection will. I think this is specified in the draconian racial descriptions, but I could be thinking of something else. Cheers, Cam
#9 alakar Apr 20, 2005 10:52:36	If a draconian turns to stone because of death throes, what would happen if stone to flesh were cast on him, would he become a dead draconian body, or return to life? And if it did turn into a dead body, would something like raise dead work? Just thought that would belong here.
#10 cam_banks Apr 20, 2005 11:47:30	If a draconian turns to stone because of death throes, what would happen if stone to flesh were cast on him, would he become a dead draconian body, or return to life? And if it did turn into a dead body, would something like raise dead work? Just thought that would belong here. He'd become flesh and blood again, but would discorporate (messily) at the same time as he would have crumbled to dust in stone form. There's also no guarantee that the flesh and blood draconian you create with stone to flesh would actually provide all of the proper internal organs and so forth that would allow the draconian to survive if raised. Interesting way to resolve the problem, though. I might allow it if it were a PC baaz. Cheers, Cam