Vaults of Pandius
Mystara-3E
http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/html/HOME.html
http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/m3e/pages/home.htm
The vaults have been due for an update, but there seems to be a problem on the hosting end.
P.S.-Your links are different than mine, but they aren't working either.
I'll have to try from another pc then.
The update is going to be massive, I'd image. There's been so much good stuff written up by people both here and on the MML since last update.
Your links may be outdated...
http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/html/HOME.html
http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/m3e/pages/home.htm
The vaults have been due for an update, but there seems to be a problem on the hosting end.
they just worked for me then, although they haven't been working for me recently at all. Yeah they're due for an update too, but Jenni hasn't been in contact with me for quite a while. I don't have everything in order yet over here, it'll be at least another week but then I'll be looking to host the site elsewhere. There's been no offer from anyone to host, so I've been looking into having to pay for it - which I've been loathe to do given that I put time into this venture already. But I basically seem to be running out of reliable options. If anyone has recommendations for hosting options I'll take those on board. Otherwise I'll keep everyone up to date when things happen, I hope that you can remain patient for a while longer though.
Ok, so hopefully they are being updated then. I just went there a week or 2 ago and they worked fine, but I didn't notice anything about a planned update.
P.S.-Your links are different than mine, but they aren't working either.
hey tjedge1, long time no see. I hope you're going well. Yeah the old link dnd.starflung.com now merely points to the new site for the Vaults which is http://www.mystaranet.jamm.com/vaults/html/HOME.html
Nah there's nothing about a planned update on the site but I sent things to Jenni, the provider, back in early March so an update can happen.
It wasn't working for me either for a couple of days, but it seems to be fine now. Still no update, though
The update is going to be massive, I'd image. There's been so much good stuff written up by people both here and on the MML since last update.
the update that is in the pipeline is dated March 10, so it's only everything up till then. Since then I've been without a personal computer/ and quite often without Internet access and am only now accessing these boards from an Internet cafe. I've started to get a handle on siphoning out the new articles since then but haven't started in integrating them into the Vaults.
What will probably happen is either ... within the next week the Vaults where they currently are will be updated to the March 10 update. I should be getting a laptop by the end of next week and can start working on a new update. By then I also hope to have a webspace provider sorted out also. By this time if the Vaults haven't been updated where they are (and I have a laptop) then I'll upload the March 10 version of the site somewhere (also assuming the Interent access that I supposedly have at the place I'm subletting actually works too). Then I can start working on the next update.
P.S. I hope things are starting to settle down for you now and feeling a lot more like "home".
I think this topic came up back when Starflung went kaput, but I don't recall what sorts of costs you were looking at for hosting before Jenni came along. Do you currently have any ideas on how much we might be looking at for hosting costs (I'd be willing to try and help out, because I think it's worthwhile)?
I'll try and do some investigating myself, but if anyone else out there knows of/has any ideas for new hosts, please let us all know!
hey tjedge1, long time no see. I hope you're going well.
I'm doing very well. I'm glad to see the Mystara forum still going strong.
Given the fact that these pricks tried to turn Mystara in to a 3rd Ed. game, who cares what happens to them. :headexplo
Woah!
As someone who doesn't play 3e, I can at least understand that anyone who does would still want to be able to adventure in Mystara.
Are you saying that shouldn't be allowed?
Anyway, the vaults have a massive amount of info that is "rules-neutral", and is useful for all players. The time and effort put into it is amazing, and they certainly don't deserve to be vilified because of it.
If you don't agree with the concept of the vaults, then at least you could be civil about it. I'm afraid the name-calling says more about you than it does about those you're insulting.
I was biting my tongue not replying to that one for fear that I might anger myself.
Now then, I like to believe that this forum is not rules-bias; that if fact any rules set is welcomed to be discussed in relation to our beloved setting. A rules set is nothing more than a mechanism to enjoy this great setting.
(If there is one thing that I can not tolerate, it is intolerance! :P )
Given the fact that these pricks tried to turn Mystara in to a 3rd Ed. game, who cares what happens to them. :headexplo
and which pricks would those be?
Thank you, Dave L. Well said!
I was biting my tongue not replying to that one for fear that I might anger myself.
Now then, I like to believe that this forum is not rules-bias; that if fact any rules set is welcomed to be discussed in relation to our beloved setting. A rules set is nothing more than a mechanism to enjoy this great setting.
(If there is one thing that I can not tolerate, it is intolerance! :P )
well said Hugin.
I like the usual open mindedness of the rule settings on this board which is why I keep returning. I use a variation of RoleMaster myself. It throws even veteran players who see my character sheets and say, "Woah man, Ithought you said D&D in Mystara!" I reply, "D&D character races and classes still apply, only the spell, combat and skill system is different."
Wow, you've got my attention on this, I'll have to dig out my RM stuff. Have you got more info online?
Woah!
As someone who doesn't play 3e, I can at least understand that anyone who does would still want to be able to adventure in Mystara.
Are you saying that shouldn't be allowed?
Anyway, the vaults have a massive amount of info that is "rules-neutral", and is useful for all players. The time and effort put into it is amazing, and they certainly don't deserve to be vilified because of it.
If you don't agree with the concept of the vaults, then at least you could be civil about it. I'm afraid the name-calling says more about you than it does about those you're insulting.
I am abrasive at times; but I strongly feel converting Mystara to 3E/3.5 is not needed at all. It was meant to be a fast moving, simple form of RPG and converting it to this complicated, multiclassed junk that is 3E ruins it. Not every last bit of D+D needs to be "converted"; doing this gives the impression that the older editions are somehow wrong or flawed, and that just is'nt so.
Mystara and the early editions sold millions of books in the 80's and should not be trifled with. They are classics and interjecting 3E rules completely ruins what OD+D put forth as a gaming system.
Wow, you've got my attention on this, I'll have to dig out my RM stuff. Have you got more info online?
I've never posted anything online about it, but I use the 3d edition of Spell Laws and such. I sort of wing it, you could say. I use the same system as Rolemaster for experience and improving stats and skills, but I mold the character classes to match D&D character classes and races. You could say I play Role Master in a D&D setting.
I am abrasive at times; but I strongly feel converting Mystara to 3E/3.5 is not needed at all. It was meant to be a fast moving, simple form of RPG and converting it to this complicated, multiclassed junk that is 3E ruins it. Not every last bit of D+D needs to be "converted"; doing this gives the impression that the older editions are somehow wrong or flawed, and that just is'nt so.
Mystara and the early editions sold millions of books in the 80's and should not be trifled with. They are classics and interjecting 3E rules completely ruins what OD+D put forth as a gaming system.
Well yes, I can pretty much agree with part of your position myself, seeing as I originally bought the books in the 80's and still see them as "classics", much as you do.
I read the 3e threads, and sometimes feel myself confused by the complexity of them, but maybe that's my age starting to show!
However, I can also see the other point of view, that if you want "new" players to pick up Mystara, then 3e is the way to go. I might not like it, but I see the necessity for it.
Mystara is big enough for both sets of gamers, for me that is part of its enduring appeal, and I'm just glad that so many 3e players want to explore this wonderful setting.
Truly, a wise man once said "They don't make 'em like they used to!"
I am abrasive at times; but I strongly feel converting Mystara to 3E/3.5 is not needed at all. It was meant to be a fast moving, simple form of RPG and converting it to this complicated, multiclassed junk that is 3E ruins it. Not every last bit of D+D needs to be "converted"; doing this gives the impression that the older editions are somehow wrong or flawed, and that just is'nt so.
Mystara and the early editions sold millions of books in the 80's and should not be trifled with. They are classics and interjecting 3E rules completely ruins what OD+D put forth as a gaming system.
I strongly advocate people play in Mystara with the system that works best for them and their group, whether it be OD&D, 1st ed AD&D, 2nd ED AD&D, 3E, 3.5E, Rolemaster, Gurps or whatever. There is plenty of information that is rules neutral and you are under no obligation to read or discuss any thread that may contain rules for a system you don't use.
I am apparently one of these "pricks" you are refering to (although I did not have anything to do with the content of the Mystara 3E site). Our group is converting to 3.5 for our campaign. Why? Because it is the only way our group is going to get new players and survive- we have lots of people wanting to adventure in Mystara but no, and I mean no, new players want to play with anything but 3.5. If we don't have a group, Mystara loses 4 regular players as well as some part-time players and many more potential players. Then I don't have a reason to post here to discuss the only D&D setting that I like to play in. If all of that makes me a prick, then so be it.
On a more pleasant note, Shawn I really appreciate the work you've done with the Vaults, it has been (and will continue to be) a great resource for our community.
I am abrasive at times
Damn straight. That's nothing to be proud of.
I've never posted anything online about it, but I use the 3d edition of Spell Laws and such. I sort of wing it, you could say. I use the same system as Rolemaster for experience and improving stats and skills, but I mold the character classes to match D&D character classes and races. You could say I play Role Master in a D&D setting.
Cheers, I'm always interested in how other rule sets have been adapted to run a Mystara campaign, or how Mystara has been adapted for a rule set e.g. ODnD setting evolution and Adnd 2E conversion being just 2 examples
the update that is in the pipeline is dated March 10, so it's only everything up till then.
Argh! I sent my update to him on the 11th!
The Vaults have been updated!!!!
Great! I see there's a massive influx of Thorf's maps [
]To Shawn: I like the new ordering (newest items on top), except that the Unofficial Timeline now is at the bottom of the History page. Maybe it would be worth moving it to its own subsection, since it is a very useful (and large) resource.
Cheers, I'm always interested in how other rule sets have been adapted to run a Mystara campaign, or how Mystara has been adapted for a rule set e.g. ODnD setting evolution and Adnd 2E conversion being just 2 examples
I tried a couple other systems such as 2nd AD&D, but I always kept going back to OD&D. I joined a game with a guy who played MERP. It is a basic set of Rolemaster and he eventually expanded it with the Rolemaster rules. A couple years ago I went out and got my own copies of the latest versions on e-bay and decided to use them for playing because of their flexibility and realism. The game is slower than OD&D, but it has more realism and most of my players enjoy cutting off body parts or gettingthat amazing lucky shot that kills an exremely powerful foe in one hit. They also learn to roleplay better because sometimes the enemy gets that perfect role.
The Vaults have been updated!!!!
w00t
good to hear it through here too
Argh! I sent my update to him on the 11th!
we'll get you up next time, why who are you Culture20?
Great! I see there's a massive influx of Thorf's maps [
To Shawn: I like the new ordering (newest items on top), except that the Unofficial Timeline now is at the bottom of the History page. Maybe it would be worth moving it to its own subsection, since it is a very useful (and large) resource.
yep good idea
we'll get you up next time, why who are you Culture20?
My signature should lend a clue... and what I sent is just an update to the same page; I added some screencaptures for those w/o VRML, and corrected the plugin link (to point to the plugin link in my sig) since cosmo doesn't exist anymore for windows (only IRIX).
Edit: Hmm, just checked your email addy in your profile; it's not webmaster
vaults mystaranet jamm com where eeks are dots and ??? is @. That's where I sent it. Should I send the files to your profile address?My signature should lend a clue... and what I sent is just an update to the same page; I added some screencaptures for those w/o VRML, and corrected the plugin link (to point to the plugin link in my sig) since cosmo doesn't exist anymore for windows (only IRIX).
Edit: Hmm, just checked your email addy in your profile; it's not webmaster
ah fair enough, doh. Nah I don't recall having got anything from you. Nah I don't know if that webmaster thing works, somebody just mentioned in another thread here that it ain't. So go with the one in the profile address, that'll work much better.