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Warlocks in Dragonlance???

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#1
cunning_gnome
May 08, 2005 10:02:56 Hi me again similar question to last time :D how about warlocks in dragonlance are they easy to incorperate?
#2
zombiegleemax
May 08, 2005 11:10:24 I am going to go out on a limb here and say maybe. They would either worship Tahkisis or Nuetral God ( I am so ashamed I forgot his name :embarrass ). So do whatever you want. It will be what you make it.
#3
true_blue
May 08, 2005 12:20:04 Basically, almost any kind of extra spellcaster can be incorporated with the trick of using the chaos taint. Any new spellcaster class or even psionic class can be attributed to the taint of Chaos on the world. Its about the same as how people try to figure out how to incorporate a new race, and everyone says... just say the graygem caused it.

Some people don't see a need for more spellcasting types in the world, when you have wizards, sorcerors, clerics, and mystics... but its always up to the DM in the end.

I havent looked over the Warlock very much, only had one PC who was remotely interested. Something about the auto 10 damage irked me, I can remember that. But again, I dont have much input on it. Again, you could easily say that they came about the same as sorcerors when Chaos was released onto the world.

*edit* I really dont think you would have them worship a particular god, they would probably be more of a loner type with abilities that come natural to them. Of course they may pay lip service to any god they really wanted to, I just dont see them as very devout.
#4
zombiegleemax
May 08, 2005 14:06:43 I allow warlocks in my campaign. I treat them as persons with a touch of fey or dragon enabling them to tap into Primay Magic without the aid of Chaos. Whether they are decendants of the Hulderfolk, or tainted by fey or dragon blood is really up to the them. They are very rare and most persons born with such ability usually turn to the Orders of High Sorcery to learn control, there are those few who take it upon themselves to master their innate ability. These are labeled as Renegades by the wizards and hunted down very liberally.
#5
Dragonhelm
May 08, 2005 14:38:59 There's a few threads on this topic from the past, including this one.

Unfortunately, it seems that the search function is currently disabled.

As for warlocks, my only suggestion is to compare them with how other casters in Krynn and make sure you know where their magic comes from. I'd recommend Wild Sorcery.
#6
clarkvalentine
May 08, 2005 14:44:32 I think they'd make a good replacement for the D&D Sorcerer class as 5th age users of arcane wild magic.
#7
neuro
May 09, 2005 16:24:39 I used the warlocks on my campaign some time ago, with an ogre titan and with a player, the player history was a very short one being killed by a jumping grappling tarmak barbarian (another player) trying to make a soft fall, while he was flying 500fts above the ground...

The titan was a different history, nice battle, cool spell-like stuff and nice damage with melee weapon, but... with the limited incantation selection of the warlock the result is a magic machine gun of (put here your better incantation, bestow curse or baleful polymorph for example), not a "real" spell caster, the powers of the warlock are more like a template than a core class to me.
#8
Dragonhelm
May 09, 2005 17:30:25
I think they'd make a good replacement for the D&D Sorcerer class as 5th age users of arcane wild magic.

Yes and no. They do have the advantage of casting arcane magic in a way that is different enough from wizards to give you the feel of it being different magic. Certainly, the realm of Enhancement is found in the class and some of the abilities have an elemental feel to them. Plus the alignment restrictions, of of which being "chaotic", give a feel for Chaos-enhanced magic.

That being said, warlocks can be any evil or any chaotic in alignment. This bars anyone of LG, NG, LN, and true N alignment from being a sorcerer. Certainly, we've seen sorcerers who have been of these alignments. Also, I'm not sure that the feel of the warlock, namely dealing with the "dark powers", goes along with the sorcerer.

I could see warlocks being a type of arcane magic-user that drew upon Wild Sorcery, but I can't see the class being used in place of sorcerers.
#9
cam_banks
May 09, 2005 20:30:29
That being said, warlocks can be any evil or any chaotic in alignment. This bars anyone of LG, NG, LN, and true N alignment from being a sorcerer. Certainly, we've seen sorcerers who have been of these alignments. Also, I'm not sure that the feel of the warlock, namely dealing with the "dark powers", goes along with the sorcerer.

If you have Complete Arcane and want to use the warlock, you can drop the alignment restriction and come up with a couple of new invocations, and you're set. These are minor changes, really.

Cheers,
Cam
#10
clarkvalentine
May 09, 2005 20:31:44
That being said, warlocks can be any evil or any chaotic in alignment. This bars anyone of LG, NG, LN, and true N alignment from being a sorcerer. Certainly, we've seen sorcerers who have been of these alignments. Also, I'm not sure that the feel of the warlock, namely dealing with the "dark powers", goes along with the sorcerer.

Alignment restrictions are easily ignored/houseruled, but I have to admit I haven't looked at it all that deeply. If there are a lot of "dark powers" type class abilities (penalties?), that might not be such a good fit. Although they could be reworked to be chaotic powers, or the sorts of things that raise the hackles of Wizards of High Sorcery but don't necessarily bug the average Joe Ansalonian.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 cunning_gnome May 08, 2005 10:02:56	Hi me again similar question to last time :D how about warlocks in dragonlance are they easy to incorperate?
#2 zombiegleemax May 08, 2005 11:10:24	I am going to go out on a limb here and say maybe. They would either worship Tahkisis or Nuetral God ( I am so ashamed I forgot his name :embarrass ). So do whatever you want. It will be what you make it.
#3 true_blue May 08, 2005 12:20:04	Basically, almost any kind of extra spellcaster can be incorporated with the trick of using the chaos taint. Any new spellcaster class or even psionic class can be attributed to the taint of Chaos on the world. Its about the same as how people try to figure out how to incorporate a new race, and everyone says... just say the graygem caused it. Some people don't see a need for more spellcasting types in the world, when you have wizards, sorcerors, clerics, and mystics... but its always up to the DM in the end. I havent looked over the Warlock very much, only had one PC who was remotely interested. Something about the auto 10 damage irked me, I can remember that. But again, I dont have much input on it. Again, you could easily say that they came about the same as sorcerors when Chaos was released onto the world. edit I really dont think you would have them worship a particular god, they would probably be more of a loner type with abilities that come natural to them. Of course they may pay lip service to any god they really wanted to, I just dont see them as very devout.
#4 zombiegleemax May 08, 2005 14:06:43	I allow warlocks in my campaign. I treat them as persons with a touch of fey or dragon enabling them to tap into Primay Magic without the aid of Chaos. Whether they are decendants of the Hulderfolk, or tainted by fey or dragon blood is really up to the them. They are very rare and most persons born with such ability usually turn to the Orders of High Sorcery to learn control, there are those few who take it upon themselves to master their innate ability. These are labeled as Renegades by the wizards and hunted down very liberally.
#5 Dragonhelm May 08, 2005 14:38:59	There's a few threads on this topic from the past, including this one. Unfortunately, it seems that the search function is currently disabled. As for warlocks, my only suggestion is to compare them with how other casters in Krynn and make sure you know where their magic comes from. I'd recommend Wild Sorcery.
#6 clarkvalentine May 08, 2005 14:44:32	I think they'd make a good replacement for the D&D Sorcerer class as 5th age users of arcane wild magic.
#7 neuro May 09, 2005 16:24:39	I used the warlocks on my campaign some time ago, with an ogre titan and with a player, the player history was a very short one being killed by a jumping grappling tarmak barbarian (another player) trying to make a soft fall, while he was flying 500fts above the ground... The titan was a different history, nice battle, cool spell-like stuff and nice damage with melee weapon, but... with the limited incantation selection of the warlock the result is a magic machine gun of (put here your better incantation, bestow curse or baleful polymorph for example), not a "real" spell caster, the powers of the warlock are more like a template than a core class to me.
#8 Dragonhelm May 09, 2005 17:30:25	I think they'd make a good replacement for the D&D Sorcerer class as 5th age users of arcane wild magic. Yes and no. They do have the advantage of casting arcane magic in a way that is different enough from wizards to give you the feel of it being different magic. Certainly, the realm of Enhancement is found in the class and some of the abilities have an elemental feel to them. Plus the alignment restrictions, of of which being "chaotic", give a feel for Chaos-enhanced magic. That being said, warlocks can be any evil or any chaotic in alignment. This bars anyone of LG, NG, LN, and true N alignment from being a sorcerer. Certainly, we've seen sorcerers who have been of these alignments. Also, I'm not sure that the feel of the warlock, namely dealing with the "dark powers", goes along with the sorcerer. I could see warlocks being a type of arcane magic-user that drew upon Wild Sorcery, but I can't see the class being used in place of sorcerers.
#9 cam_banks May 09, 2005 20:30:29	That being said, warlocks can be any evil or any chaotic in alignment. This bars anyone of LG, NG, LN, and true N alignment from being a sorcerer. Certainly, we've seen sorcerers who have been of these alignments. Also, I'm not sure that the feel of the warlock, namely dealing with the "dark powers", goes along with the sorcerer. If you have Complete Arcane and want to use the warlock, you can drop the alignment restriction and come up with a couple of new invocations, and you're set. These are minor changes, really. Cheers, Cam
#10 clarkvalentine May 09, 2005 20:31:44	That being said, warlocks can be any evil or any chaotic in alignment. This bars anyone of LG, NG, LN, and true N alignment from being a sorcerer. Certainly, we've seen sorcerers who have been of these alignments. Also, I'm not sure that the feel of the warlock, namely dealing with the "dark powers", goes along with the sorcerer. Alignment restrictions are easily ignored/houseruled, but I have to admit I haven't looked at it all that deeply. If there are a lot of "dark powers" type class abilities (penalties?), that might not be such a good fit. Although they could be reworked to be chaotic powers, or the sorts of things that raise the hackles of Wizards of High Sorcery but don't necessarily bug the average Joe Ansalonian.