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#1judicator_shekarMay 08, 2005 15:46:57 | I have been reading up a bit about the history of Blackmoor and am uncertain as to who or what "The Egg of Coot" refers to. I am guessing it is some sort of (probably evil) organization, but could use a bit of clarification. Thanks in advance. Edit: Aha, one more question. The various descriptions of Blackmoor refer to "mad quallan warriors". Who or what are these seemingly dangerous folks? |
#2eric_anondsonMay 08, 2005 17:06:20 | The Egg of Coot is an entity. Gender, race, species, origin, etc., are all unknown. The qullan warriors, the first mention of then I can remember was on the map for a Dungeon adventure called "[i]Ex Keraptis [latin for "with", but the content filter blocks because it is a vulgar slang for something else] Amore[/i]". The Living Greyhawk Journal dealt with them in a 3e format. Pretty much, barbaric warriors, humanoid looking, in fact they look pretty much like painted up human barbarians if I recall correctly. I wish I could remember their special abilities, but it had something to do with an extremely chaotic nature that affected others around them. Regards, Eric Anondson |
#3ripvanwormerMay 08, 2005 18:33:15 | The Egg of Coot is from module DA1, Adventures in Blackmoor. It was originally something from Dave Arneson's campaign; Blackmoor was incorporated into the Flanaess, pretty much in name only, and the Egg of Coot has much more recently come along for the ride. I think Fred Weining is to blame, but don't quote me on that. Blackmoor also became part of the distant past of the Mystara campaign, and was released as its own campaign setting in the last year (by Goodman Games, I believe) so there are a lot of different incarnations at work. What the Egg of Coot was/is in Dave Arneson's Blackmoor isn't necessarily what it is in Mystara's Blackmoor or Oerth's Blackmoor. Another hint of all the different incarnations Blackmoor has had can be seen in Andre Norton's novel Quag Keep that she wrote after extensive consultation with Gary Gygax. In that book, Blackmoor is conflated with the Great Kingdom. To the north was an evil and unnatural superbeing that called itself the Egg of Coot... Someone who has the other adventures in the DA series (which presumedly stands for Dave Arneson) might know more. You might ask the Mystara forum. Just as a suggestion, it might be an illithid elder brain pool, perhaps one that's lost the illithids who formally cared for it. Or an elder beholder, for that matter. Both are roughly egg-shaped and powerful. It could also be a sentient artifact. Or maybe it's a literal egg of some cosmic entity - what might happen if it hatched? Qullans are from the original Fiend Folio, and White Dwarf Magazine before that. They're humanoids infused with chaos. Here is a conversion to 3rd edition D&D. The town and castle of Blackmoor in DA1 was suffused with wild magic due to the mysterious black rock upon which it was built, and caused the dungeons beneath the castle to spew up weird monsters on a periodical basis. This explains qullans nicely. You might conceivably consider the black rock to the the basis for a far realm cyst as described in Dragon Magazine #330. Maybe that's what the Egg is after. |
#4ripvanwormerMay 08, 2005 21:24:21 | The ruins of Castle Blackmoor also belch out gibberlings, mentioned both in the World of Greyhawk boxed set and, somewhat surreptitiously, in DA1. The Living Greyhawk Gazetteer suggests that the Egg of Coot might be a technological thing, either itself a construct or a constructor, for many of its servants are automatons. |
#5zombiegleemaxMay 08, 2005 22:48:21 | The Egg of Coot is a mysterious being that lurks in Blackmoor and commands all sorts of minions: Orcs, quallen and automatons. Nobody knows for sure who or what it is, where it came from, or what it wants. The quallen are described in the old AD&D Fiend Folio. |
#6erik_monaMay 11, 2005 21:24:45 | You might conceivably consider the black rock to the the basis for a far realm cyst as described in Dragon Magazine #330. Maybe that's what the Egg is after. That's a great idea. --Erik Mona Editor-in-Chief Dragon & Dungeon |
#7ividMay 11, 2005 23:21:51 | The town and castle of Blackmoor in DA1 was suffused with wild magic due to the mysterious black rock upon which it was built, and caused the dungeons beneath the castle to spew up weird monsters on a periodical basis. This explains qullans nicely. You might conceivably consider the black rock to the the basis for a far realm cyst as described in Dragon Magazine #330. Maybe that's what the Egg is after. For me poor non-Paizo-subscriber, can you detail the concept a bit more please? -Hope Mr Mona doesn't mind. ;) |
#8ripvanwormerMay 12, 2005 1:51:46 | For me poor non-Paizo-subscriber, can you detail the concept a bit more please? -Hope Mr Mona doesn't mind. Something from outside (make that Outside) the cosmology has warped reality, and things are wonky and also horrific. It's like a cancer on space-time. It's like Bruce Banner's gamma rays. It's like R'lyeh trying to impose itself upon Euclidean space. Tentacles often result, and blobs. |
#9weasel_fierceMay 12, 2005 2:57:42 | The egg of Coot also refers to a specific person that used to work at TSR, I believe, but I forget who, or the whole story |
#10zombiegleemaxMay 12, 2005 6:45:08 | I think it was Gregg Scott? There's an article somewhere on the net ... http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh_anagrams.html and http://www.geocities.com/havardfaa/Coot.html So, essentially we have an idea that the Egg is kind of a parody of people who think wargaming is above roleplaying (GW anyone?) or a dig at Gary Gygax. |
#11ividMay 12, 2005 6:58:07 | Something from outside (make that Outside) the cosmology has warped reality, and things are wonky and also horrific. It's like a cancer on space-time. It's like Bruce Banner's gamma rays. It's like R'lyeh trying to impose itself upon Euclidean space. Tentacles often result, and blobs. So, basically, the Egg of Coot is the source of all evil in the world (of BM)? |
#12MortepierreMay 12, 2005 7:07:32 | 'evil' is a concept of our world. A cyst is like a part of another universe - one that doesn't obey to our laws - getting a foothold in our reality. 'pure madness' would be more like it. Heck, you can call it 'Tharizdun's paradise' if you like it better ;) |
#13ividMay 12, 2005 8:12:40 | And so, every time they ask me to guide them to that *misterious egg*, I tell my players: *Stay away from that one! If IT doesn't kill you, I will...* (Being a DM can be so fine...) |
#14cragMay 12, 2005 9:22:49 | http://www.geocities.com/havardfaa/Coot.html The Egg of Coot desciption also appears in OJ 5 article "Archbarony of Blackmoor"...encourage everyone to read it, the egg is definitely unique. Basically the Egg in a disgusting blob the feeds on egos and has the personality of the ultimate spoiled brat with a dose of mad scientist. |
#15ripvanwormerMay 12, 2005 14:25:25 | So, basically, the Egg of Coot is the source of all evil in the world (of BM)? No, not nearly. The Afridhi and their demon-god are another big evil, and the Empire of Thonia (as it's called in the Mystara setting) isn't nice at all either (being essentially equivalent to Oerth's Great Kingdom of Aerdy). And what in the Mystara setting eventually dooms that world comes from a completely different source, beginning in a well-intended university of enlightenment and science. And the description of the far realm cyst I made above refers to the "wild magic" beneath Castle Blackmoor, not to the Egg of Coot. The two aren't connected; I just thought the Egg might be interested in it. The wild magic is yet another problem for Blackmoorians to face. |
#16ripvanwormerMay 12, 2005 14:35:48 | http://www.geocities.com/havardfaa/Coot.html I really, really hope that Gary Gygax lives in a giant fortified city-palace and only communicates with others through his intercom system. That would be awesome. |
#17ividMay 13, 2005 1:42:22 | No, not nearly. The Afridhi and their demon-god are another big evil, and the Empire of Thonia (as it's called in the Mystara setting) isn't nice at all either (being essentially equivalent to Oerth's Great Kingdom of Aerdy). And what in the Mystara setting eventually dooms that world comes from a completely different source, beginning in a well-intended university of enlightenment and science. Thank you, again! This is something that is very different in my view of Blackmoor: Thonia=Wilderlands Demon Empires, The Cities of the Steel, etc. ... I personally believe the egg had no real purpose. It's so far away from the real action. Discovering what lies beneath its evilness is certainly like freeing Tharizdun or smashing the Greystone... ;) I REALLY should get the Blackmoor books already... Can't wait to start games EVEN MORE oldschool than Greyhawk... ;) |
#18YeomanMay 13, 2005 7:27:15 | I may be off the path here, but I seem to remember that in "City of The Gods" a Silver Egg-Shaped Cylinder was flown from the city by a magic user and crashed in Blackmoor. Has this got any connection with The Egg I wonder? |
#19zombiegleemaxMay 17, 2005 9:40:06 | It seems that based on its description as a being egg-shaped, metallic, and covered in strange symbols that it is some sort of spaceship that crashed in the vicinity of Blackmoor. This also goes far to explain the existence of the automatons and the high-tech City of the Gods. As for what is actually inside the Egg- who knows. It may be some sort of super computer or some life form that cannot leave its ship. In my Blackmoor campaign, which is very non-canon, I think I will use something different. I'm thinking of it being more of a dome, an architectural style popular in Pre-Cataclysmic Suloise Empire, covered in Ancient Suel runes, that was built by a survivor of the Rain of Colorless Fire. Either a lich or vampire, but a very powerful wizard who has essentially enslaved some of the primitive Flan tribes to do his bidding. As for his plans...we'll see. Ludovico |
#20YeomanMay 18, 2005 13:37:09 | I quite like the idea that the mage in the 'egg-shaped spaceship' has become symbiotically controlled by the craft, becoming some sort of cyborg with automatons at his command, and perhaps a number of mind-controlled tribes... I will keep thinking on it. |