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#1 zombiegleemax May 21, 2005 1:11:09	Just felt like sharing a little tidbit i had. Basically it's that Abalache-Re is not really a hussy. In rise and fall, Abalache-Re seemed to care a lot about Pennarin and was really upset at his death. The core of the idea I ran with was that A-R managed to secure his spirit from the gray and, while unable to bring him back to life, he was about to dominate and possess bodies, thus able to live with A-R in some sense, and all her favored consorts were simply possessed by her one lover. This idea won't be for everyone, but take what you will of it.
#2 Pennarin May 21, 2005 2:02:18	The basics sound good, flavor-wise. Its the kind of thing Abbey would have written, what with her giving Hamanu a disembodied troll essence as a companion, and telling the readers no other SK knows about it, so A-R might have managed to pull this off with no one being the wiser.
#3 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 21, 2005 2:09:58	An interesting take, but I personally find the addition of Pennarin into the storyline by L. Abbey as just not my taste, so he doesn't exist in my Dark Sun.
#4 Pennarin May 21, 2005 3:36:03	Not to sound piqued, but which one of the 2 or 3 phrases given over to that character do not sit well with you? I like Pennarin and see no problem adding him to my personal DS universe. What are your reasons?
#5 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 21, 2005 3:54:34	Not to sound piqued, but which one of the 2 or 3 phrases given over to that character do not sit well with you? I like Pennarin and see no problem adding him to my personal DS universe. What are your reasons? I dunno. he seems... contrieved. He was written into Rise and Fall explicitly to die. And not even die spectacularly, just to get smeared during the rebellion - not more than a few lines after he is introduced, and doesn't even get a mention in any other material. Just doesn't sit well with me, is all. It has the same feel as the abysmal job the writers for the movie rendition of Queen of the Damned did to explain who the group of ancient vampires are that help kill Akasha. The novels explain them in great detail, but the movie - they just show up and have instant important roles with no explanation.
#6 Sysane May 21, 2005 9:37:23	My reasoning is that I subscribe that there were only 15 Champions (not to start that debate again). If I were to even think of including Pennarin as part of my campaign's history, I would make him a favored general of Abalache-Re. I'd also consider including him as part of an idea I'm tinkering with. I'm toying with the idea that Rajaat may have had another group of beings tasked with eliminating some of the "lesser races" of the Green Age. Creatures that weren't as abuntdant as the races that the Warbringer assinged full blown Champions to. Monsters like bugbears, centuars, dopplegangers, dryads, etc... These beings would have been known as the "Heralds of Rajaat" who like the Champions were sent to destory these lesser races, but weren't nearly as powerful as the future SKs. I'd include Pennarin into that group.
#7 kalthandrix May 21, 2005 10:15:48	Not to sound piqued, but which one of the 2 or 3 phrases given over to that character do not sit well with you? I like Pennarin and see no problem adding him to my personal DS universe. A little biased aren't we :D Honestly, it have been years sense I read Rise and Fall (most likely when it came out), bit as soon as I finish my last three Dragonrealm books by Knaak, I plan on re-reading all of my DS novels. I like Sysane's idea of having people who were not Champions killing some minor races. The Champion statis was special and I for one do not see Rajaat just handing it out to everyone.
#8 dawnstealer May 21, 2005 21:34:20	I never trust what Pennarins tell me. :P
#9 Pennarin May 21, 2005 21:48:46	I never say untrue things! :P
#10 star_gazer_02 May 21, 2005 22:10:12	I've always been a bit confused as to the placement of the SKs. I mean, the size of the Tyr region is what, that of Utah, Montana maybe. Why would the 'all' settle there? The world of Athas does not seem underpopulated if the Tyr Region is representative, and what about conitnents across the silt sea? There had almost better be more than 15 champions, IMO... Just food for thought. Roger.
#11 xlorepdarkhelm_dup May 21, 2005 22:29:35	I've always been a bit confused as to the placement of the SKs. I mean, the size of the Tyr region is what, that of Utah, Montana maybe. Why would the 'all' settle there? The world of Athas does not seem underpopulated if the Tyr Region is representative, and what about conitnents across the silt sea? There had almost better be more than 15 champions, IMO... Just food for thought. Roger. Ahh, but the Champions seemed to be hunting the races spawned from the Pristine Tower. And I don't think that those races ever had much of a chance to really, truely get far from there and spread out any. I figure that the rest of the world is comprised of races not spawned from the Pristine Tower, and don't have Champions. Rajat seemed intent on destroying the mutated abominations, like himself, and restoring the world to the races that were here forst - namely, the halflings. Thri-Kreen were here as well, but I don't think he considered them really sentient - and he could have felt the same about any other pre-existing species - with his warped view on things.