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#1
Slad_Chaos
Jun 11, 2005 13:54:09 Hello, I'm a fan about Dark Sun.

To become a dragon, defiler 20 th level and psionist 20 th level are necessary, yes ?

Where did the dragon magic describe in the PrC on the athas.org site ?

In 3rd edition, 20 level in arcane spellcasting and 20 level in manifester, as requirement, 9th arcane spell for the PrC ?

Dragon, did it describe on the site ? Dragon, is it a true dragon ? (there are levels as categorie age)

In Campaign Setting Dark Sun (2nd edition), the dragon Borys described with regeneration, but in Dragon Kings and Defilers and Preservers, this regeneration didn't indicate in the description of the abilities of the dragon.
Can someone help me on this problem ?

did the defiler describe on the site ?

For the PrC, + 1 arcane spellcasting, + 1 manifester level as cerebremancer because in 2nd edition, it gains also discipline and science by level as described in Dragon Kings. The psionic power and arcane spells fuse.

Thanks for your future answer.

PS : I see the thread above.
#2
squidfur-
Jun 12, 2005 0:49:09 Some of your questions have completely lost me, but it seems to me like you're holding over some of the rules from 2nd edition to now. This will give you many problems when trying to understand the 3rd edition rules (and 3.5). So , to make things easier for yourself, just forget any preconceived notions you might have from previous editions, for now (for many rules have changed - ie, level requirements, abilities granted, etc).

The rules for becoming a dragon, that are on athas.org, are the only officially recognized rules converted to 3.5 edition rules so these should be used in lieu of those in Dragon Kings, Preservers and Defilers, etc if you are indeed playing a campaign using 3.5 rules.

If, on the otherhand, you are still playing using 2nd edition rules, then by all means continue using those products previously mentioned.
#3
Slad_Chaos
Jun 12, 2005 3:34:29 The PrC dragon presented on the site, it seems.

The 2nd edition can be adapted in 3rd edition with the necessary modifications.

I don't understand why I must forget the 2nd edition, because the Forgotten Realms of the 2nd editon was udpated in third edition.

Have you the answer for my questions ?
#4
kalthandrix
Jun 12, 2005 6:46:23
The PrC dragon presented on the site, it seems.

The 2nd edition can be adapted in 3rd edition with the necessary modifications.

I don't understand why I must forget the 2nd edition, because the Forgotten Realms of the 2nd editon was udpated in third edition.

Have you the answer for my questions ?

Ok, let me break it down for you.

1. Dark Sun is a not produced officially any more by Wizards or any other major company- Forgotten Realms is.

2. Wizards chose Athas.org to be the 'official' website and has allowed them to continue to produce new material for Dark Sun (and they are all doing this for free.

3. Athas.org has been going through the process of updating the old material from 2e to 3.5 and making new material that expands upon the old, using the new rules. So unless you are running a game using the 2e rules, the material produced by Athas.org is are official as you can get.

4. The Dragon requirements have been changed to reflect the change in editions and to conform to the new rules, so the play test version (which is not final) of the PrC is the 3.5 adaptation of the Dragon progression.

I would strongly suggest that you visit Athas.org and read over all of the revised material that they have provided for free. This will answer many of your questions.
#5
Slad_Chaos
Jun 12, 2005 7:08:12 1) Ok, I know.

2) 3) OK.

4) I see that Athas.org ask the opinion from the fan of Dark Sun. And apparently they didn't satisfy about the test version after their posts.
But I know that it's not obvious to make an adaptation.

For the dragon, Boris has the regeneration, and half damage from no metal weapons, but theses abilities don't appear in the description in Dragon Kings or Defiler and Preservers.
So, a future dragon will have them or not, or Borys is an exception.

I already visited the site, but I find the navigation to search the information, isn't obvious. But it's a very good site.
#6
seker
Jun 12, 2005 8:24:54 Actually the dragon rules where just a playtest version to show people the way we we going on the new rules..... there are still being some changes made, mainly due to feedback from this forum on what peole wanted to see, and also to make the stats more along the lines of 2ed.

Borys is a champion of Rajaat as well as a dragon (you like the other sorcerer kings were champions) and so will have certain abilities that other newer dragons most likely will not..... that is were the regenration comes from. The half damage from non-metal weapons is already in the ruiles. As that type of rule in 3.5 is actually handled via damage reduction.... which a fully metamorphosed dragon has at DR 15/metal and epic... which means they take 15 points less damage from any attack that is made with a item that is not both made of metal and epic.
#7
Slad_Chaos
Jun 12, 2005 9:26:01 Thanks Seker.
DR for metal is for Borys, only no ?
#8
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jun 12, 2005 10:26:48
Hello, I'm a fan about Dark Sun.

To become a dragon, defiler 20 th level and psionist 20 th level are necessary, yes ?

2nd Edition, yes. 3.5e from Athas.org, no.

Where did the dragon magic describe in the PrC on the athas.org site ?

The release at Athas.org is a playtest release. It is far from complete.

In 3rd edition, 20 level in arcane spellcasting and 20 level in manifester, as requirement, 9th arcane spell for the PrC ?

Not for the PrC. It's 9th level Arcane Spellcasting, and 6th level Psionics. Reasons why have been explained countless times. sorry if you're new, but there are very, very good reasons why this was changed.

Dragon, did it describe on the site ? Dragon, is it a true dragon ? (there are levels as categorie age)

The Dragon isn't a "true dragon" like I think you are asking. The Dragons for Athas aree metamorphosized beings that have many similar qualities with "true dragons". But there is no "age categories" and such - that would be so drastically unbalancing for character development, it is frightening.

In Campaign Setting Dark Sun (2nd edition), the dragon Borys described with regeneration, but in Dragon Kings and Defilers and Preservers, this regeneration didn't indicate in the description of the abilities of the dragon.
Can someone help me on this problem ?

Huh?

did the defiler describe on the site ?

Huh?

For the PrC, + 1 arcane spellcasting, + 1 manifester level as cerebremancer because in 2nd edition, it gains also discipline and science by level as described in Dragon Kings. The psionic power and arcane spells fuse.

We do not specify any class in the PrC. that way, it is open to people who try the quick and easy path. However, Cerebrmancer may appear quick and easy, but the plan is to make it more hazardous to rush into the Dragon process that way.

Thanks for your future answer.

There's been many threads, and I feel that it will boil down to us needing a FAQ about the Dragon metamorphosis released by us at Athas.org eventually, once thngs are smoothed out a bit more.

PS : I see the thread above.

There's many more on the Dragons as well in the forum. I've heard the search function is broken, but they shouldn't be too difficult to find if you really are inquisitive about things.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Slad_Chaos Jun 11, 2005 13:54:09	Hello, I'm a fan about Dark Sun. To become a dragon, defiler 20 th level and psionist 20 th level are necessary, yes ? Where did the dragon magic describe in the PrC on the athas.org site ? In 3rd edition, 20 level in arcane spellcasting and 20 level in manifester, as requirement, 9th arcane spell for the PrC ? Dragon, did it describe on the site ? Dragon, is it a true dragon ? (there are levels as categorie age) In Campaign Setting Dark Sun (2nd edition), the dragon Borys described with regeneration, but in Dragon Kings and Defilers and Preservers, this regeneration didn't indicate in the description of the abilities of the dragon. Can someone help me on this problem ? did the defiler describe on the site ? For the PrC, + 1 arcane spellcasting, + 1 manifester level as cerebremancer because in 2nd edition, it gains also discipline and science by level as described in Dragon Kings. The psionic power and arcane spells fuse. Thanks for your future answer. PS : I see the thread above.
#2 squidfur- Jun 12, 2005 0:49:09	Some of your questions have completely lost me, but it seems to me like you're holding over some of the rules from 2nd edition to now. This will give you many problems when trying to understand the 3rd edition rules (and 3.5). So , to make things easier for yourself, just forget any preconceived notions you might have from previous editions, for now (for many rules have changed - ie, level requirements, abilities granted, etc). The rules for becoming a dragon, that are on athas.org, are the only officially recognized rules converted to 3.5 edition rules so these should be used in lieu of those in Dragon Kings, Preservers and Defilers, etc if you are indeed playing a campaign using 3.5 rules. If, on the otherhand, you are still playing using 2nd edition rules, then by all means continue using those products previously mentioned.
#3 Slad_Chaos Jun 12, 2005 3:34:29	The PrC dragon presented on the site, it seems. The 2nd edition can be adapted in 3rd edition with the necessary modifications. I don't understand why I must forget the 2nd edition, because the Forgotten Realms of the 2nd editon was udpated in third edition. Have you the answer for my questions ?
#4 kalthandrix Jun 12, 2005 6:46:23	The PrC dragon presented on the site, it seems. The 2nd edition can be adapted in 3rd edition with the necessary modifications. I don't understand why I must forget the 2nd edition, because the Forgotten Realms of the 2nd editon was udpated in third edition. Have you the answer for my questions ? Ok, let me break it down for you. 1. Dark Sun is a not produced officially any more by Wizards or any other major company- Forgotten Realms is. 2. Wizards chose Athas.org to be the 'official' website and has allowed them to continue to produce new material for Dark Sun (and they are all doing this for free. 3. Athas.org has been going through the process of updating the old material from 2e to 3.5 and making new material that expands upon the old, using the new rules. So unless you are running a game using the 2e rules, the material produced by Athas.org is are official as you can get. 4. The Dragon requirements have been changed to reflect the change in editions and to conform to the new rules, so the play test version (which is not final) of the PrC is the 3.5 adaptation of the Dragon progression. I would strongly suggest that you visit Athas.org and read over all of the revised material that they have provided for free. This will answer many of your questions.
#5 Slad_Chaos Jun 12, 2005 7:08:12	1) Ok, I know. 2) 3) OK. 4) I see that Athas.org ask the opinion from the fan of Dark Sun. And apparently they didn't satisfy about the test version after their posts. But I know that it's not obvious to make an adaptation. For the dragon, Boris has the regeneration, and half damage from no metal weapons, but theses abilities don't appear in the description in Dragon Kings or Defiler and Preservers. So, a future dragon will have them or not, or Borys is an exception. I already visited the site, but I find the navigation to search the information, isn't obvious. But it's a very good site.
#6 seker Jun 12, 2005 8:24:54	Actually the dragon rules where just a playtest version to show people the way we we going on the new rules..... there are still being some changes made, mainly due to feedback from this forum on what peole wanted to see, and also to make the stats more along the lines of 2ed. Borys is a champion of Rajaat as well as a dragon (you like the other sorcerer kings were champions) and so will have certain abilities that other newer dragons most likely will not..... that is were the regenration comes from. The half damage from non-metal weapons is already in the ruiles. As that type of rule in 3.5 is actually handled via damage reduction.... which a fully metamorphosed dragon has at DR 15/metal and epic... which means they take 15 points less damage from any attack that is made with a item that is not both made of metal and epic.
#7 Slad_Chaos Jun 12, 2005 9:26:01	Thanks Seker. DR for metal is for Borys, only no ?
#8 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jun 12, 2005 10:26:48	Hello, I'm a fan about Dark Sun. To become a dragon, defiler 20 th level and psionist 20 th level are necessary, yes ? 2nd Edition, yes. 3.5e from Athas.org, no. Where did the dragon magic describe in the PrC on the athas.org site ? The release at Athas.org is a playtest release. It is far from complete. In 3rd edition, 20 level in arcane spellcasting and 20 level in manifester, as requirement, 9th arcane spell for the PrC ? Not for the PrC. It's 9th level Arcane Spellcasting, and 6th level Psionics. Reasons why have been explained countless times. sorry if you're new, but there are very, very good reasons why this was changed. Dragon, did it describe on the site ? Dragon, is it a true dragon ? (there are levels as categorie age) The Dragon isn't a "true dragon" like I think you are asking. The Dragons for Athas aree metamorphosized beings that have many similar qualities with "true dragons". But there is no "age categories" and such - that would be so drastically unbalancing for character development, it is frightening. In Campaign Setting Dark Sun (2nd edition), the dragon Borys described with regeneration, but in Dragon Kings and Defilers and Preservers, this regeneration didn't indicate in the description of the abilities of the dragon. Can someone help me on this problem ? Huh? did the defiler describe on the site ? Huh? For the PrC, + 1 arcane spellcasting, + 1 manifester level as cerebremancer because in 2nd edition, it gains also discipline and science by level as described in Dragon Kings. The psionic power and arcane spells fuse. We do not specify any class in the PrC. that way, it is open to people who try the quick and easy path. However, Cerebrmancer may appear quick and easy, but the plan is to make it more hazardous to rush into the Dragon process that way. Thanks for your future answer. There's been many threads, and I feel that it will boil down to us needing a FAQ about the Dragon metamorphosis released by us at Athas.org eventually, once thngs are smoothed out a bit more. PS : I see the thread above. There's many more on the Dragons as well in the forum. I've heard the search function is broken, but they shouldn't be too difficult to find if you really are inquisitive about things.