From a divine level, I liked GoldMoon the best, and actually liked the portrayal in the KingPriest Trilogy of the KingPriest.
GO MINA!!!! Praise the One God!
My favourite spellcaster is Emma Xela, mystic thaumaturge.
Willim the Black I think was his name.
Guerrand di'Thon comes in a very close second.
My personal favorite of course is Magius. While he was a member of the order he did what he felt was right during a time in which most wizards just tried to stay out of view. And while Raistlin might think that Palin surpassed any mage alive in magical power I think that Magius had the most impact on wizards as a whole. I mean the order allowed wizards to carry daggers specifically because of magius. And then of course you have the staff and dagger of Magius, not one but two artifacts we know of that were made and named for a wizard.
If there is one book that I would love to see, it would be to know the lifestory of magius from start to finish.
When I DM and replace named spells from the PHB, I tend to try and put Magius's name wherever I could (of course he replaces Mordenkainen and Melf in my opinion), even though he could not have made a couple of Mordy's higher level spells. Dang, why did they have to stat him in ToHS.
Hehe, he didn't use much magic, but still...
If not, then I'll go with Palin Mjere. The dude rocks the shizzy.
Peace.
Simply because of Dalamar the Dark, which finally allowed me to see what made this particular spellcaster what he was, when we first meet him in Legends.
No Old One!!!!
Well, Raist has to get the number one nod. I mean, besides the cool factor of black robes, and a sick amount of power, he actually achieved godhood. If it weren't for Caramon and Tas overshooting, and seeing the result, Raist would be the only thing left in the universe. Granted, in the end, it didn't quite work out like that, but it did happen.
But then there is Fizban. I mean, nervous puffballs with an attitude, a "lost" hat, chicken featherfalls, and errant fireballs! My only question is whether you would have to consider him a divine spellcaster. I mean, you would assume he doesn't ask Solinari for backup right?
I like Mina a lot too, but not as a spellcaster, after my third time reading through the War of Souls trilogy, she is becoming my favorite character, sorry Raist.
Dalamar is cool, but too broody.
And then there is the newcomer, Coryn (Wizard's Conclave) I don't care if she uses sorcery or asks Solinari for help, she gets a big nod from me. (I would talk more about her, but I don't want to ruin the book for any who haven't read it.)
I liked Palin, but he was always too whiny. "Oh Dalamar hates me, he has better magic, the ghosts are stealing from me and giving it to him, I was too weak to save my brothers from a huge army, my fingers hurt, blah blah blah." Come on man! You held the Staff of Magius, you flew to a past that never was, get a grip! Just kidding, I like Palin too.
1) Fizban. Everyone's favourite mouse-robed, good-natured, too-silly-to-be-true wizard, and a friend of Tasslehoff's. Plus, just like most PC arcanists, he has a solution for every situation: a fireball. Now, how did the spell go again?
2) Raistlin. What can I say? In my mind, he's "the" DragonLance character. Only number two for a spellcaster, though, as he's usually at his best when he does not casts spells. Great character, boring wizard.
3) Dunbar Mastermate. I've just always loved the idea of a shipmage.
4) Magius. No reason. He's just cool.
5) Master Theobald.
I apalogize to divine casters out there, But I've yet to see one in DragonLance that I really liked. Goldmoon looks more like a plot device than a character, and I wasn't very impressed by Mina so far.
He would've been the most powerful Overlord if it wasn't for that b*tch Mina and ol' paranoid Tak. *shakes a fist* I still disagree with the way he was killed. He should've went down fighting, at least.
And he's a genius! Even if he was a bit obsessed with finding Kit. I mean, come on, the other Overlords didn't even THINK they could do something like creating Spawn until they stole the idea from him.
Otherwise... I'm falling in with the Raistlin crowd.
Do dragons count? If so, then it's Khellendros (a.k.a. Skie), The Storm Over Krynn!
He would've been the most powerful Overlord if it wasn't for that b*tch Mina and ol' paranoid Tak. *shakes a fist* I still disagree with the way he was killed. He should've went down fighting, at least.
And he's a genius! Even if he was a bit obsessed with finding Kit. I mean, come on, the other Overlords didn't even THINK they could do something like creating Spawn until they stole the idea from him.
Otherwise... I'm falling in with the Raistlin crowd.
Everyone always hates Mina. I don't get it. I think she is the most charasmatic character of all the DL books, including Raist and Caramon.
He actually did go down fighting though. Coincidentally, I just read "The Death of Skie" chapter this morning, for the third time. He fired off a lightning bolt at Mina, but she was protected from the strike. She then mortally wounded him, but Mirror was there to keep him alive. In the end, he fought the pain and even managed to wound the great red b**** Malys, before she finished him off.
As far as being a genious, I have to agree. He founded the portals throughout the universe which allowed him to go to Krynn in the first place, granted it worked for Takhisis too, but who is counting?
Don't know if I can agree with him being the greatest spellcaster of all, but he was probably the best dragon! I mean, Kit seemed to love him, and Kit doesn't care about anyone but herself.
And, I don't hate Mina. She's a great character (even if she is a tool). I just think ol' Skie should've stayed alive. *Nods to this*
I'll have to read it again. I remember him being struck by his own lightning (unless I read it wrong. It's been a while) and suffering in pain before dying, but not the wounding Malys part. I'll take your word for it though.
And, I don't hate Mina. She's a great character (even if she is a tool). I just think ol' Skie should've stayed alive. *Nods to this*
I should have put a spoiler warning in before, but better late than never...
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Yes, his lightning was reflected back at him by Mina. He did suffer also. Mirror was there to heal him as much as possible, though he admitted to Razor that he did it simply to gather more information for himself. Skie showed his appreciation by telling Mirror about the portals and how Takhisis stole the world, and tricked the good dragons and that they were now trapped.
He had enough strength left thanks to Mirror, to stand up to Malys one last time. He blew one last shot of lightning that tore through her shoulder. She wound up tearing him apart in the end, but he was proud of hiimself for making the stand. He was, I believe hallucinating at the time because he believed he saw Kit in front of him demanding he finish the fight. With his dying breath, he felt Kit rub him down and congratulate him on not giving up the fight.
I love Mina. I think she is a great character. I do agree with you though, I would have loved to see Khellendros the Great go after Takhisis for all of her treachery. Even though he wasn't of Krynn, he was the most loyal of all the chromatics. It would have been great if somehow Kit had found a way out of Soth's clutches and rode Skie in one final showdown with the Dark Queen. Now that would have been awesome!
Yes, his lightning was reflected back at him by Mina. He did suffer also. Mirror was there to heal him as much as possible, though he admitted to Razor that he did it simply to gather more information for himself. Skie showed his appreciation by telling Mirror about the portals and how Takhisis stole the world, and tricked the good dragons and that they were now trapped.
He had enough strength left thanks to Mirror, to stand up to Malys one last time. He blew one last shot of lightning that tore through her shoulder. She wound up tearing him apart in the end, but he was proud of hiimself for making the stand. He was, I believe hallucinating at the time because he believed he saw Kit in front of him demanding he finish the fight. With his dying breath, he felt Kit rub him down and congratulate him on not giving up the fight.
I love Mina. I think she is a great character. I do agree with you though, I would have loved to see Khellendros the Great go after Takhisis for all of her treachery. Even though he wasn't of Krynn, he was the most loyal of all the chromatics. It would have been great if somehow Kit had found a way out of Soth's clutches and rode Skie in one final showdown with the Dark Queen. Now that would have been awesome!
My personal favorite of course is Magius.
Couldn't agree with you more!Then of course, Raistlin, Fizban, and Dalamar.
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Page 602, paragraph 4: Palin is speaking to Raistlin, after he is restored to life, and turns down the moon cousins' offer of the return of true magic to him.
"I thank you, Uncle." He paused, then said, "Once you foretold that I would be the greatest mage ever to live upon Krynn. I do not think that will come to pass." (comment: So Palin states he never actually became the greatest mage on Krynn. Since he has already sacrificed the magic, there is no chance to ever be the greatest.)
"We had much to learn, Nephew," Raistlin replied. (comment: Raist confirms by not telling him he is wrong. The gods say nothing at all on the subject.)
Page 602, paragraph 4: Palin is speaking to Raistlin, after he is restored to life, and turns down the moon cousins' offer of the return of true magic to him.
"I thank you, Uncle." He paused, then said, "Once you foretold that I would be the greatest mage ever to live upon Krynn. I do not think that will come to pass." (comment: So Palin states he never actually became the greatest mage on Krynn. Since he has already sacrificed the magic, there is no chance to ever be the greatest.)
"We had much to learn, Nephew," Raistlin replied. (comment: Raist confirms by not telling him he is wrong. The gods say nothing at all on the subject.)
Divine spellcasters get the shaft in pretty much every TSR/WOTC campaign world, simply because we remain a little uneasy with powerful clerics and their (made-up) gods. The 80's and BADD are still with us. In fact, the only major divine sc I can think of who wasn't evil is Cadderly from the Cleric Quintet (FR series). Which sucks, because I've taken several to high levels. Do you know how bad it is when you outrank and outpower every published cleric in a Game World?
Oggie
I liked Kang to! :D
I actually like Dalamar more then Raistlin (I know I'm gonna get beat up for that). Raistlin atleast had Caramon to help him all the time on his road to greatness. Dalamar got exiled by his people and made a name for himself without anyone's help, oh and volunteering to spy on the greatest most powerful evil wizard of all time is pretty gutsy too.
Fizban as well, he was just so darn funny.Who wouldn't like a mage/God that kept forgetting his hat..........
I actually like Dalamar more then Raistlin (I know I'm gonna get beat up for that). Raistlin atleast had Caramon to help him all the time on his road to greatness. Dalamar got exiled by his people and made a name for himself without anyone's help, oh and volunteering to spy on the greatest most powerful evil wizard of all time is pretty gutsy too.
Didn't he make a name for himself because he spied on the most powerful wizard of all time? ;)
Remember, Raist let him spy on him.
Raistlin only had Caramon because he couldn't get rid of him. ;)
I won't throw any punches though!
For clerics, my favorite is Crysania, hands down. Mina is an idiot.
P.S. I am a Neutral Neutral Elven Sorcerer
Everyone always hates Mina. I don't get it. I think she is the most charasmatic character of all the DL books, including Raist and Caramon.
He actually did go down fighting though. Coincidentally, I just read "The Death of Skie" chapter this morning, for the third time. He fired off a lightning bolt at Mina, but she was protected from the strike. She then mortally wounded him, but Mirror was there to keep him alive. In the end, he fought the pain and even managed to wound the great red b**** Malys, before she finished him off.
As far as being a genious, I have to agree. He founded the portals throughout the universe which allowed him to go to Krynn in the first place, granted it worked for Takhisis too, but who is counting?
Don't know if I can agree with him being the greatest spellcaster of all, but he was probably the best dragon! I mean, Kit seemed to love him, and Kit doesn't care about anyone but herself.
Speaking of which so both Paladine's and Takhisis true forms are Dragons (before they lost theiry godhood)
Takhisis is the 5 headed one, and Paladine is a Platinum Dragon. I wonder what the other gods/goddesses true forms are.
I personally like Jenna the Red. Raistlin and Dalamar are awesome, but I have to go with members of my own Order. Palin is a big baby.
For clerics, my favorite is Crysania, hands down. Mina is an idiot.
P.S. I am a Neutral Neutral Elven Sorcerer
Speaking of clerics: Wasn't Elistan from Chronicles series the same Elistan that helped Fistandantilus (I hate writing his name)
Here is something interesting regarding Palin being the most powerful of all time. I was reading the end of Vanished Moon today...
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Page 602, paragraph 4: Palin is speaking to Raistlin, after he is restored to life, and turns down the moon cousins' offer of the return of true magic to him.
"I thank you, Uncle." He paused, then said, "Once you foretold that I would be the greatest mage ever to live upon Krynn. I do not think that will come to pass." (comment: So Palin states he never actually became the greatest mage on Krynn. Since he has already sacrificed the magic, there is no chance to ever be the greatest.)
"We had much to learn, Nephew," Raistlin replied. (comment: Raist confirms by not telling him he is wrong. The gods say nothing at all on the subject.)
ShowPalin may have only been destined to be the most powerful mage of all time in the time-stream that would have passed had Takhisis not stolen Krynn.
Raistlin is more powerfull than Fistandantilus. He did kill Fistandantilus after all.
I would not say he was more powerful- Fistandantilus did live for hundreds of years and existed for several hundred more in a type of undead before he even met Raistlin. Raistlin was just more sneaky and very quick thinking.
BTW- I am new to the site and have never played DL- but I think that will change soon. I have been around on other boards and have played D&D for 18 years (lately mostly Dark Sun and Eberron). Just thought I would say high to everyone on the Dragonlance board- I love the world (except the fifth age material) and have been reading the DL books since I learned how to read.
Are there any really good threads on the board that would have some 3.5 stats for the Chronicals characters.
And oh ya- did the level limit get removed the the DL material- I remember that you could only be like 17th or 18 level before the god took you off of Kyrnn- but that was 2e material too.
Sorry of I rambled on and I in no way ment to derail this thread- just saying hi and asking a quick question- Thanks :D
I would not say he was more powerful- Fistandantilus did live for hundreds of years and existed for several hundred more in a type of undead before he even met Raistlin. Raistlin was just more sneaky and very quick thinking.
BTW- I am new to the site and have never played DL- but I think that will change soon. I have been around on other boards and have played D&D for 18 years (lately mostly Dark Sun and Eberron). Just thought I would say high to everyone on the Dragonlance board- I love the world (except the fifth age material) and have been reading the DL books since I learned how to read.
Are there any really good threads on the board that would have some 3.5 stats for the Chronicals characters.
And oh ya- did the level limit get removed the the DL material- I remember that you could only be like 17th or 18 level before the god took you off of Kyrnn- but that was 2e material too.
Sorry of I rambled on and I in no way ment to derail this thread- just saying hi and asking a quick question- Thanks :D
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Good point on Fisty. As a matter of fact, the only reason Raistlin "beat" him was because he knew the secret of the amulet. He used his debated Sleight of Hand feat to switch the amulet, which allowed him to overtake Fistandantilus.
The reason I am really wondering who was more powerful is because, if you recall, there is a point when Raist is remembering the whole possession process and he recalls wondering just who he was afterward. It was never detailed whether there was still some "leftover Fisty" in Raist after the transfer. Keep in mind, Fisty was already old when Raistlin "beat" him, so people were familiar with him. However, everyone recognizes Raistlin as Fisty.
*shrug* Who knows? I just think it's a really interesting topic to debate. Thanks to those who are participating!
Good point on Fisty. As a matter of fact, the only reason Raistlin "beat" him was because he knew the secret of the amulet. He used his debated Sleight of Hand feat to switch the amulet, which allowed him to overtake Fistandantilus.
The reason I am really wondering who was more powerful is because, if you recall, there is a point when Raist is remembering the whole possession process and he recalls wondering just who he was afterward. It was never detailed whether there was still some "leftover Fisty" in Raist after the transfer. Keep in mind, Fisty was already old when Raistlin "beat" him, so people were familiar with him. However, everyone recognizes Raistlin as Fisty.
*shrug* Who knows? I just think it's a really interesting topic to debate. Thanks to those who are participating!
I don't know about level limits. I have read through the DLCS and Age of Mortals supplement, and I haven't seen anything about it.
Level limits haven't been in the setting since 2nd edition came around. They only ever appeared in Dragonlance Adventures, for 1st edition AD&D. No such limit exists now.
Cheers,
Cam
Raistlin fought and struggled to build himself- sacrificing everything for the Art. I really hope that he will make more appearences in future books and maybe, just maybe, get his magic back to be a servant of all three Gods of Magic.
He will never be a goody-two-shoes, but I think that he has learned alot from everything that has happened to him and now would be more apt to act less selfishly.
I truely think that if Par-Salin (spelling) had not done the things he did to Raistlin during the Test- making and image of Cam using magic, destroying his health, and giving him those cursed eyes- things would have turned out differently- the heros would have won, but Raistlin would have been standing next to his friends. I think the reason he broke away from them in the first place is that, because of his health, he was forced to rely on others more and that built up his resentment toward the others.
My favorite mages in DL would have to be Magius and Raistlin. Palin is a punk- He ha potential, but when everything got really tough he just kinda quit.
Raistlin fought and struggled to build himself- sacrificing everything for the Art.
Raistlin's best moment was when he finally did give up the magic. He was an addict, just like his brother. For Caramon it was alcohol and codependency; for Raistlin it was magic and power. Raistlin may have been the most powerful mage, but in many ways he was rather pathetic. He just lived the fantasy of all those who get picked on and want to be able to beat up the bully.
While Palin had issues of his own, he was able to see where the pursuit of magic would take him. Sure, he made some mistakes along the way, but he didn't go as far as his uncle before realizing he needed to stop (get into recovery).
Palin: My name is Palin, and I'm a compulsive magic-user.
Rest of the Group: Hello Palin.
i hate raistlin, noone likes a hacking, hunched whispering krooner! I like goldmoon shes a super lady :D
"Yawns" Both are good in there own ways. My personal favorites?
1.Raist
2.Dalmar
3.Goldmoon
Raist even though he was selfish SOB. Is a well written and deep character. I'd love to see more material on him.
Dalmar. Is well Dalmar.
Goldmoon. Another great character.
My favorite mages in DL would have to be Magius and Raistlin. Palin is a punk- He ha potential, but when everything got really tough he just kinda quit.
Raistlin fought and struggled to build himself- sacrificing everything for the Art. I really hope that he will make more appearences in future books and maybe, just maybe, get his magic back to be a servant of all three Gods of Magic.
He will never be a goody-two-shoes, but I think that he has learned alot from everything that has happened to him and now would be more apt to act less selfishly.
I truely think that if Par-Salin (spelling) had not done the things he did to Raistlin during the Test- making and image of Cam using magic, destroying his health, and giving him those cursed eyes- things would have turned out differently- the heros would have won, but Raistlin would have been standing next to his friends. I think the reason he broke away from them in the first place is that, because of his health, he was forced to rely on others more and that built up his resentment toward the others.
Raistlin lost his health because of Fistandantilus, not Par Salian. Par Salian gave him those hourglass eyes and golden skin.
( he was a sea wizard and very muscular I thoght that was cool ) I just did not remember his name + I do not want do dig through my comics to find the name.
Was that the famous Dunbar Mastersmate?
Was that the famous Dunbar Mastersmate?
It was indeed!
Cheers,
Cam
My favs are:
1) Raistlin
2) Horkin
3) Mina
4) Dalamar
5) Lord Ariakas (he was also a black-robed)