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Minotaur Solamnic Knight

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#1
zombiegleemax
Jun 24, 2005 18:22:11 I'm starting a new campaign and one of my players asked me if he could play a minotaur as a solamnic knight.

I know this is not normally allowed, but we worked on a background, and his character was raised by an old knight who took him as some sort of protegee after WotL, and learned the code and the measure from him, also this minotaur would know the minotaur sense of honor.

What do u think of this character?
#2
edgelett
Jun 24, 2005 20:39:36 Solamnics don't allow any race other than human and the odd half elf in their ranks, so I find it VERY VEYR VERY unlikely they would allow a Minotaur in when they wouldn't even accept a full elf or a dwarf. They have been known to honour certain individuals by making them "Honorary Knights" but don't actually allow them in their ranks.

However I like the background & character idea.....what I'd do is this:

the Minotaur lives life as a Solamnic, acts as a Solamnic & thinks of himself as a Solamnic. Since he has effectively alreayd been a squire to this Knight that raised him, I'd let him take ranks in Knight of the Crown ONLY. He will never ever ever be accepted as a Solamnic Knight, and the Knighthood would deny him at every turn. Regardless, he lives as a knight & therefore cna advance as one, without acually joining them. If knowledge of his actions/deeds etc reach the knighthood, they may make him an honorary knight but will stop short of actually letting him join.

Other option would be to change your campaign world so that they allow all races in.
#3
wolffenjugend_dup
Jun 25, 2005 9:48:45 I'd allow it. There's no reason not to bend the rules, especially when the player has come up with a plausible explanation. Of course, the minotaur would probably suffer a lot of grief from other knights, but c'est la vie.
#4
darthsylver
Jun 25, 2005 11:13:28 My only question is this: Does the player want the ability to take class levels in the KoS Prestige classes?

If not then this is a purely role-playing aspect firmly in the control of the DM (you).

As far as the knighthood is concerned they would probably never allow him into the knighthood. However a possible palusibility is the Clandestine Circle. These guys tend to work around the knighthood code anyway, allowing knights to do things they would not ordinarily do. So the circle might allow the Minotaur to believe he is acting on their behalf. I mean, who would believe a minotaur when he claims to be a Night of Solamnia anyway. I know this kind of puts a dark light of the knights, but, so what. They can be just as crooked as so many others.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jun 27, 2005 21:00:50 dude that sounds awesome. thanks for an npc idea!
#6
darthsylver
Jun 28, 2005 8:49:49 Anything to help man.
#7
zombiegleemax
Jun 29, 2005 13:42:33 The knights would almost certainly not allow him in, in my opinion. If he made a genuine and amazingly heroic act that benefited the knights(And lived through it) they might let him into the Crown. But probobly not, even with the backstory. Still, it's a nice idea.
#8
darthsylver
Jun 29, 2005 19:02:02 Originally posted by wolfenjugend
There's no reason not to bend the rules, especially when the player has come up with a plausible explanation.

While I am all for bending the rules, they only bend so far. I would say that this would flat-out break the rule.
#9
kalanth
Jun 30, 2005 13:18:03 I say go for it. If the background works for you and its a change you want t make to your DL, then have fun with it. In my past two campaigns I have had a Sivak Knight of the Rose, and a Half-Ogre Knight of the Sword. I say why not, just make an NPC in the head of the knightly order that is a voice of change, maybe make the PC convince them of his loyalty, and enjoy every drop of RP fun there is to be had.
#10
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2005 14:07:05 I would be against it simply because of continuity. You want to be all of those things? Play Eberron.
#11
mula
Jun 30, 2005 14:44:01 Well, I highly doubt you can play a minotaur of Krynn and a Solamnic Knight to boot in Eberron…
#12
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2005 16:24:10 Rules wise, there is no problem with a minotaur joining. THere are no restrictions based on race. As for who is and is not allowed in, they didn't allow in non-Solamnic born, but then came Tanin and Sturm Majere. No women were allowed, then came Linsha Majere. According to the rules, there is no problem with the minotaur joining.
#13
darthsylver
Jun 30, 2005 18:44:53 In the end True_Raistlin just remember, you are the DM. It is your choice regardless of what the "guidelines" say. Just if you say no, be prepared to give a really good reason to your player or you might have an arguement on your hands. And a none to happy player as well, which is never good. If you say yes, the player probably won't care, but I would suggest having a cool reason as to why they are letting him\her join.
#14
wolffenjugend_dup
Jun 30, 2005 21:47:01
Originally posted by wolfenjugend

While I am all for bending the rules, they only bend so far. I would say that this would flat-out break the rule.

The only rule that really counts is having fun. Every other "rule" is made to be broken.
#15
edgelett
Jun 30, 2005 22:10:17
Rules wise, there is no problem with a minotaur joining. THere are no restrictions based on race.

In the DLCS under the "Knights of Solamnia" section - it says pretty clearly that they let in Humans & the occasional half elf, members of other races are given an honorary knight status but never officially let in.
#16
darthsylver
Jul 01, 2005 6:58:30 Originally posted by wolfenjugend
The only rule that really counts is having fun. Every other "rule" is made to be broken.

Which is why I told True_Raistlin he is the DM and it is ultimately up to him. He just needs to have a good explaination for whatever decision he makes.
#17
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2005 12:45:19 Thanks for all the feed back guys

The campaign already started, it will not be until the characters reach 3rd lvl when the minotaur must travel to solamnia to become a "real knight".

What i liked about this character is that he resembles Austan Gavinus (and this guy, has never heard/read of him). I have plans to get this two together eventually. Most of the players fot this campaign are newbies, so i was a bit more flexible than the usual.
#18
vrykolas2k
Jul 12, 2005 22:31:51
In the DLCS under the "Knights of Solamnia" section - it says pretty clearly that they let in Humans & the occasional half elf, members of other races are given an honorary knight status but never officially let in.

True.
They might re-name him Kharas, like they did the long-ago dwarf... which would be quite an honour. But they likely wouldn't let him in.
They didn't always allow half-elves either, to recall Lord Soth's derision at seeing Tanis in the armour of a knight... so, maybe things COULD change and an exception could be made.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jun 24, 2005 18:22:11	I'm starting a new campaign and one of my players asked me if he could play a minotaur as a solamnic knight. I know this is not normally allowed, but we worked on a background, and his character was raised by an old knight who took him as some sort of protegee after WotL, and learned the code and the measure from him, also this minotaur would know the minotaur sense of honor. What do u think of this character?
#2 edgelett Jun 24, 2005 20:39:36	Solamnics don't allow any race other than human and the odd half elf in their ranks, so I find it VERY VEYR VERY unlikely they would allow a Minotaur in when they wouldn't even accept a full elf or a dwarf. They have been known to honour certain individuals by making them "Honorary Knights" but don't actually allow them in their ranks. However I like the background & character idea.....what I'd do is this: the Minotaur lives life as a Solamnic, acts as a Solamnic & thinks of himself as a Solamnic. Since he has effectively alreayd been a squire to this Knight that raised him, I'd let him take ranks in Knight of the Crown ONLY. He will never ever ever be accepted as a Solamnic Knight, and the Knighthood would deny him at every turn. Regardless, he lives as a knight & therefore cna advance as one, without acually joining them. If knowledge of his actions/deeds etc reach the knighthood, they may make him an honorary knight but will stop short of actually letting him join. Other option would be to change your campaign world so that they allow all races in.
#3 wolffenjugend_dup Jun 25, 2005 9:48:45	I'd allow it. There's no reason not to bend the rules, especially when the player has come up with a plausible explanation. Of course, the minotaur would probably suffer a lot of grief from other knights, but c'est la vie.
#4 darthsylver Jun 25, 2005 11:13:28	My only question is this: Does the player want the ability to take class levels in the KoS Prestige classes? If not then this is a purely role-playing aspect firmly in the control of the DM (you). As far as the knighthood is concerned they would probably never allow him into the knighthood. However a possible palusibility is the Clandestine Circle. These guys tend to work around the knighthood code anyway, allowing knights to do things they would not ordinarily do. So the circle might allow the Minotaur to believe he is acting on their behalf. I mean, who would believe a minotaur when he claims to be a Night of Solamnia anyway. I know this kind of puts a dark light of the knights, but, so what. They can be just as crooked as so many others.
#5 zombiegleemax Jun 27, 2005 21:00:50	dude that sounds awesome. thanks for an npc idea!
#6 darthsylver Jun 28, 2005 8:49:49	Anything to help man.
#7 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2005 13:42:33	The knights would almost certainly not allow him in, in my opinion. If he made a genuine and amazingly heroic act that benefited the knights(And lived through it) they might let him into the Crown. But probobly not, even with the backstory. Still, it's a nice idea.
#8 darthsylver Jun 29, 2005 19:02:02	Originally posted by wolfenjugend There's no reason not to bend the rules, especially when the player has come up with a plausible explanation. While I am all for bending the rules, they only bend so far. I would say that this would flat-out break the rule.
#9 kalanth Jun 30, 2005 13:18:03	I say go for it. If the background works for you and its a change you want t make to your DL, then have fun with it. In my past two campaigns I have had a Sivak Knight of the Rose, and a Half-Ogre Knight of the Sword. I say why not, just make an NPC in the head of the knightly order that is a voice of change, maybe make the PC convince them of his loyalty, and enjoy every drop of RP fun there is to be had.
#10 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2005 14:07:05	I would be against it simply because of continuity. You want to be all of those things? Play Eberron.
#11 mula Jun 30, 2005 14:44:01	Well, I highly doubt you can play a minotaur of Krynn and a Solamnic Knight to boot in Eberron…
#12 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2005 16:24:10	Rules wise, there is no problem with a minotaur joining. THere are no restrictions based on race. As for who is and is not allowed in, they didn't allow in non-Solamnic born, but then came Tanin and Sturm Majere. No women were allowed, then came Linsha Majere. According to the rules, there is no problem with the minotaur joining.
#13 darthsylver Jun 30, 2005 18:44:53	In the end True_Raistlin just remember, you are the DM. It is your choice regardless of what the "guidelines" say. Just if you say no, be prepared to give a really good reason to your player or you might have an arguement on your hands. And a none to happy player as well, which is never good. If you say yes, the player probably won't care, but I would suggest having a cool reason as to why they are letting him\her join.
#14 wolffenjugend_dup Jun 30, 2005 21:47:01	Originally posted by wolfenjugend While I am all for bending the rules, they only bend so far. I would say that this would flat-out break the rule. The only rule that really counts is having fun. Every other "rule" is made to be broken.
#15 edgelett Jun 30, 2005 22:10:17	Rules wise, there is no problem with a minotaur joining. THere are no restrictions based on race. In the DLCS under the "Knights of Solamnia" section - it says pretty clearly that they let in Humans & the occasional half elf, members of other races are given an honorary knight status but never officially let in.
#16 darthsylver Jul 01, 2005 6:58:30	Originally posted by wolfenjugend The only rule that really counts is having fun. Every other "rule" is made to be broken. Which is why I told True_Raistlin he is the DM and it is ultimately up to him. He just needs to have a good explaination for whatever decision he makes.
#17 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2005 12:45:19	Thanks for all the feed back guys The campaign already started, it will not be until the characters reach 3rd lvl when the minotaur must travel to solamnia to become a "real knight". What i liked about this character is that he resembles Austan Gavinus (and this guy, has never heard/read of him). I have plans to get this two together eventually. Most of the players fot this campaign are newbies, so i was a bit more flexible than the usual.
#18 vrykolas2k Jul 12, 2005 22:31:51	In the DLCS under the "Knights of Solamnia" section - it says pretty clearly that they let in Humans & the occasional half elf, members of other races are given an honorary knight status but never officially let in. True. They might re-name him Kharas, like they did the long-ago dwarf... which would be quite an honour. But they likely wouldn't let him in. They didn't always allow half-elves either, to recall Lord Soth's derision at seeing Tanis in the armour of a knight... so, maybe things COULD change and an exception could be made.