:D :D :D
I am not against 'dungeon crawls'. God knows we oldies had quite a few of those but, these days, I am more in favor of adventures that contribute to make a setting feel 'alive', like a tour of different towns/regions/provinces rather than putting adventurers in yet another 'rat maze'.
To each his own though..
It comes at a good time, too; I have already started incorporating the Blackmoor setting into Greyhawk, so what's another twenty-level dungeon, more or less?
*maniacal laughter*
If this is as good as Goodman Games Blackmoor book, this should be a dandy. "The Grandfather of the Game" is looking to come through! :D
Now, if "The Father of the Game" would quite being a "dead beat dad" and pony up on Castle Zagyg. ;)
While we're young, Gary. And you're still vertical. :P
)I can't wait.
I am actually not that anxious to see it hit the market. We already have giant dungeons like Undermountain, Castle Zagyg, and Under-Sharn. So, this new accessory seems just another take with another name.
I also feel somewhat trapped between *A new oldschool legend redrawn* and *Will I really spend 40 $ for a book I am not sure if I will ever play*.
The truth is, of course, that a 20 level - Dungeon will probably never appear in any of my campaigns. *Except that >I-have-no-idea-what-do-next-so-launch-CB< campaign*
Another difficulty for Hawkers would be that this Dungeon might be tied a lot to the current istallment of BM, so it might as well happen that you have to cut so much backstory that in the end, you just have a *default monster dungeon*.
On the other hand, as the BM 3.5 book is the best non-WotC 3e product I saw so far, I trust them to put out quality material.
However, even as a Hawker, I'd prefer this book to CZ, as it appears to be complete in ONE Volume, and doesn't demand me to buy (were it fourteen?) countless modules of a series...
And after all, EVERYONE here is eager to sneak into one of those books...
This definitely gets my interest. Unlike the setting, which doesn't seem generic enough to fit the Greyhawk mould too easily, this product should drop in nicely (like Castle Z. but in doublequick time
Hijacking my own thread:
Has anyone ever tried to incorporate the current BM 3.5 into Greyhawk?
-Would be interesting to see how it worked.
I tried so myself, but gave up in the end...
The WoG references in the book were next to nothing... I personally think it's way better for Mystara or for the Wilderlands. That *Valley of the Ancients* seems to demand it...From what I heard over at the Blackmoor Boards, it seems pretty common for most people to link it with the WL...
I think the main problem of inserting DA's BM into Oerth's past would be the *Vecna - element*. Of what it's known, Vecna was pretty much the ruler of the world back then... How could BM be unaffected...
:lightbulb
Of course it would work!
The Afridhi then were the Ur-Flan, while the Thonian were Olven-friendly Oridians!
Ten would be Tenh, and Thonia, well, couldn't that be the Sheldomar kingdoms?
The only thing is that my Greyhawk loremastership is too small to create a good overview of the Flanaess of the pre-Twin-Cataclysm era... Or so I fear... ;)Hijacking my own thread:
Has anyone ever tried to incorporate the current BM 3.5 into Greyhawk?
-Would be interesting to see how it worked.
I tried so myself, but gave up in the end...
Why? Because Gygax dropped Dave Arneson's Blackmoor into his Greyhawk for commercial sales purpose when he was running TSR?
What's next? Dropping Rokugan into Forgotten Realms? How about a Dark Sun/Dragonlance combo? Would you like to supersize it?
What's next? Dropping Rokugan into Forgotten Realms? How about a Dark Sun/Dragonlance combo? Would you like to supersize it?
As if that had never been done by a money-hungry company before..
The original setting for Oriental Adventures was dropped into the FR, if you remember. It came just in time to justify the presence of the Tuigan in-between the Western and Eastern coasts.
Same thing for Al-Qadim who was conveniently placed far to the south. For a while, it seemed FR was going the same way as Warhammer. Namely: providing a clone of Earth. Heck! They even added Maztica as the FR's 'new world'!
Thank Boccob we have at least the outline of the big continent the Flanaess is part of. That way, they can't mess with it too much.
The real reason why I bought BM was not only my interest in the old Wilderlands/FFC stuff, but that I always wanted to do a Greyhawk BM campaign, but didn't find sufficient material for it.
Actually, I am planning a WL/BM campaign, but I'd also like to do a Greyhawkian campaign again in the future. Have I missed some vital BM ressource for Greyhawk?
Thank you, my friend!
I am waiting for this since it was announced for the first time.The guy who introduced me into D&D was mainly playing with old JG material he had obtained somewhere. So, if I can get my own Box, that's somewhat like *completing the circle*.
However, I strongly suggest that you, if you're interested in getting your own copy, preorder the item as soon as possible. They're only releasing about 2000 copies, and that may be far too low, considering the hype that module has created.BTW, JG has announced to release A LOT of the other old material:
Judges Guild Product Homepage
Judging *chuckles as he writes this* from the other 3e stuff, especially CSIO, the quality will be something extraordinaire.
:D
(suddenly gets the impulse to check for hair loss and wrinkles). Now that setting felt good in the 'way back when' days. I wonder if that spirit would carry over. Almost scared to give it a go in case it loses something in the process. 
then take the barrier away. :D :D :D :D
As if that had never been done by a money-hungry company before..
The original setting for Oriental Adventures was dropped into the FR, if you remember. It came just in time to justify the presence of the Tuigan in-between the Western and Eastern coasts.
True, but I sincerely doubt Kara-Tur was meant for Greyhawk. Besides, it's not like Kara-Tur has a deep lasting impact on Faerun, aside from the Tuigan Horde invasion.
Same thing for Al-Qadim who was conveniently placed far to the south. For a while, it seemed FR was going the same way as Warhammer. Namely: providing a clone of Earth. Heck! They even added Maztica as the FR's 'new world'!
Actually, it was intended for FR since they did introduce Zakhara in Al-Qadim: Arabian Adventures book. When Kara-Tur was first introduced in the original OA, it was meant as a standalone setting.
I hopw the over 20 years of developing and recorrection will bear some fruit, then... Would be really awful to spend so much money for a bad or boring book...I have the JG "First Fantasy Campaign" book, which includes the first 10+ levels of Castle Blackmoor---I'm truthfully not sure that I need another 10 tacked onto the originals, since they're OK at best. I find them helpful/useful for the maps moreso than the dungeon contents, since they're not as imaginative as the tales we've read about Castle Greyhawk from EGG and RJK.
Way to go, Grodog. And here I had built up this one in my mind as a biggie and a baddie. Well, instead of the 'ok' original, maybe we'll get Castle Blackmoor...
to the extreme!!!
I just hope those extra ten levels were penned by the master himself.
Btw, what did you think of the setting itself? I rather liked it.