First in Lords of Madness with the Mindspider adventure in the back.
Now in one of the novels.
"The Last Mythal" by Richard Baker
They talk about the "Star" Elves, (I'm halfway through the book so no spoilers ok.) and the elves of the stars.
To me this is a blatent Spelljamming reference.
Just one book WOTC, that's all I ask for, but make it thick with crunch. Most of us just need 3.5 crunch for Spelljammer.
Couple of New Skills; new applications of old ones.
Couple of Feats (alot of these could translate to Seaborne Feats as well)
Couple of PrC (Helmsman;etc.)
Alot on Ship Design/Combat/Movement.
Additional Helm Types, the old Minor was what 1/2 the caster and the Major was a full caster for the SR movement, right?
Make the Major very rare for the 100k, make it 1 1/2 times the caster.
Minor's (mainly used for local travel or long range freight on safe routes), make them 1/4 caster for the SR.
Then add some at 1/2; 1/3; 3/4; full.
True Artifact ones that go 2x or more (those are your SPELLJAMMER Ultimates) stuff like that.
Sometimes it feels like a brick wall asking for it. But I would love to connect a few of the worlds this way again.
They keep teasing me with hints,
First in Lords of Madness with the Mindspider adventure in the back.
Now in one of the novels.
"The Last Mythal" by Richard Baker
They talk about the "Star" Elves, (I'm halfway through the book so no spoilers ok.) and the elves of the stars.
To me this is a blatent Spelljamming reference.
You'd be wrong there. Star Elves are from Unapproachable East. The story around them is that they were the elves that used to live where Aglarond is now. They got scared of the humans, so they created a demiplane to "hide under the blankets" for a while, until some big, bad, unnamed enemy (probably their own shadows... :D ) showed up to chase them out again.
You did miss the Nautiloid & blatent Astronumdi Cluster references, which were woven into the history of the illithids. Did confirm some suspecions of mine from that old boxed set about when exactly it was placed.
Sometimes it feels like a brick wall asking for it. But I would love to connect a few of the worlds this way again.
Well, I think WotC is waiting to see how Hackjammer does, along with seeing how well the upcoming "Campaign Classics" articles in Dragon. If they do alright, they might give SJ another look. Please note, that is purely speculation on my part.
Just one book WOTC, that's all I ask for, but make it thick with crunch. Most of us just need 3.5 crunch for Spelljammer.
I hate to say it, but there is no one all-inclusive source. However, here's a few suggestions on how to approach things.
Just use the Polyhedron article for your basic rules info, then check out Andy Collins' website for 3e (read: 3.0) versions of the SJ races. Add 2e fluff, make some tweaks, and you've got it. I also highly recommend Airships by Bastion Press as a foundation towards translating SJ vessels to 3e.
And when Hackjammer comes out, buy a copy right away! I have a feeling it'll be one of the most essential books by a 3rd party for use with Spelljammer.
I hate to say it, but there is no one all-inclusive source. However, here's a few suggestions on how to approach things.
Just use the Polyhedron article for your basic rules info, then check out Andy Collins' website for 3e (read: 3.0) versions of the SJ races. Add 2e fluff, make some tweaks, and you've got it. I also highly recommend Airships by Bastion Press as a foundation towards translating SJ vessels to 3e.
And when Hackjammer comes out, buy a copy right away! I have a feeling it'll be one of the most essential books by a 3rd party for use with Spelljammer.
I certainly hope so! :D
I'm working on a 3e conversion myself, but I keep getting distracted or have things that come up with higher precidence. I actually managed to get a good start on the setting and had an idea of what how I wanted the ship system to work before work-related issues murdered my creativity. I might give it another shot over the holiday weekend, once I'm done with housework
My guess is that they're planning to wait a while and then make an (epic?) adventure of saving the time and spaces from the illithid takeover and there might be some spelljammers
What gave me this idea is that most of the dnd worlds have a plane (or a place) where beings of madness wait to make a final invasion
:coolcthulWhat worries me in the new references is they are ignoring the old setting & saying that Spelljamming is ancient & not in practice anymore. That hints that all the old fans may be S-O-L if they do release a new Spelljammer.
Well, tough it out. Planescape fans did, so can you
LOL...well, next thing you know, the next book will mention that the lovable gun-tott'n hippo-men were all killed by a plague.
LOL...well, next thing you know, the next book will mention that the lovable gun-tott'n hippo-men were all killed by a plague.
Nope. There was a 2 for 1 sale on flintlock pistols. The problem was they were trapped to explode with a 10d6 fireball, no save. Most of them died, but it was a glorious death, so nobody greives or threatens revenge. :D
Nope. There was a 2 for 1 sale on flintlock pistols. The problem was they were trapped to explode with a 10d6 fireball, no save. Most of them died, but it was a glorious death, so nobody greives or threatens revenge. :D
Naw, mass suicide seems to be very popular these days in D&D books...
Hey, if disney could do it with lemmings... :D
And Wizards with modrons... :P
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20010921a
In their defence:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20010921a
Yes, but doesn't that predate their decision to off the modrons?
Only problem is that there are no rogue modrons for players or me to use
Who cares? All I need are the stats. Who reads the crappy 3e fluff anyway? :P
Only problem is that there are no rogue modrons for players or me to use
Well, there's always the stuff Planewalker.com does. I'm sure they've got one for you to use.
btw. don't tell anyone but i think we're in the wrong subforum
Oh yes, we used that one once for a wizard. That was cool
btw. don't tell anyone but i think we're in the wrong subforum
Bah, SJ forum needs the traffic
Back on topic. Another place that may very well have hints at SJ would be Maelstrom/Shipwrack/whatever the ocean-environment book's name of the month is today. I wouldn't be surprised if they put a few references to flying ships in there. Heck, they might even put a couple SJ ships in there as magic items/exotic ships (they are, afterall, pretty exotic and a couple look really neat, even as regular ocean-ships, like the hammer & squidships).
Here's Rich Baker's thoughts on the subject -
Well, we haven't had cause to decide one way or the other. If you want my opinion, I think the crystal shell's still there. No reason that Faerun's stars need to be other suns zillions of miles away; it's a fantastic universe.
And again -
I meant that at some interplanetary distance, Realmspace ends at the inside of the big crystal sphere. Stars are actually big glowing things on the inside surface of that sphere. Maybe there's a night-black ocean on the inside of that sphere, and you can sail around amid the stars and find all sorts of strange islands and wondrous things there.
I think the cosmology is perfectly workable if you assume that's it for the Material Plane in which Toril sits. The universe is a finite size of 50 AUs, or something like that. Or, possibly, other crystal spheres bob around elsewhere deep in the phlogiston. Fritz Leiber's Nehwon has a somewhat similar cosmology.
None of that is official, BTW. We know that there's Realmspace, other worlds in Realmspace, and folks that have flying ships for moving around between them. But we haven't stated in 3E whether the whole thing's encapsulated in a crystal sphere or not, and if so, whether it's a finite or infinite Material Plane.
We know that spelljamming, to a degree, is still "officially" recognised, at least according to Lords of Madness.
Ugh so many ideas running through my brain.
If that's the case, it just proves my old theory that FR is gobbling up all of the great parts of the D&D universe.
Grr, I hate FR with a passion...
If they come out with a Spelljammer book any time soon, I'll be running on foot across the county to the nearest store that carries D&D books to smack the clerk around and demand a copy.
I'd absolutely LOVE to have Spelljammer D&D book from WotC. I don't trust 3rd party d20 books (unless it's published by D20).
I just got my copy in the mail yesterday and now you post the whole book in this thread 
Damn!
That's not the whole book; its only a 16-page preview Kenzer put together.
Leave it to me to screw up a drive by