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#1SysaneJul 08, 2005 12:30:34 | Well, here's the psionic beastmaster PrC I've been working on. As always, thoughts and comments are welcome.
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#2the_peacebringerJul 08, 2005 13:00:30 | I've always wondered about that. What would it take to be a mekillot handler in 3.5? There it is. The only thing is, you have to be pretty high in levels to become one compared with the kit in 2nd ed. Suggestion wise: considering that the beastmaster could have to handle beasts physically at times, I'd see him with more hit points; maybe d6 or d8. Less specialty in psionics (gains a power every 2 levels). |
#3SysaneJul 08, 2005 13:05:10 | Suggestion wise: considering that the beastmaster could have to handle beasts physically at times, I'd see him with more hit points; maybe d6 or d8. Less specialty in psionics (gains a power every 2 levels). Vigor would be the answer to that my friend ;) |
#4kalthandrixJul 08, 2005 13:05:59 | I like the PrC- it is something that was pretty cool in 2e. One question- why two animal companions? I would almost think it was better if you allowed them to have their full level toward one campanion vs having two. My reasoning for this is at 14th level (9 psion and 5 beastmaster), your animal campions would be really underpowered and more of a liability than help IMO. |
#5SysaneJul 08, 2005 13:24:34 | I like the PrC- it is something that was pretty cool in 2e. Actually, they would have three at 9th level of the PrC. One thing to remember is that per the druid ability, the character can dismiss the companion for a "better one" at the players discretion. However, the point of the companion is not for it be the sickest melee combatant possible. |
#6PennarinJul 08, 2005 13:30:11 | For the mekillot, korinth, and inix handler I've created the following PrC. Its far more accessible than Sysane or Nytcrawlr's beastmasters, but far more limited as well. Its mostly a NPC PrC. Its not a bestmaster PrC at all, its a "dumb beasts of burden handler". I made it so it can even be taken by someone who isn't a manifester. The Mind's Touch feat is based off similar feats found in Complete Arcane. Cornac “Under all that armored flesh and bone, there is a mind...” - Ome, mekillot handler Animal merchants, caravan masters, gladiatorial managers and cities’ templarates are always in need of animal handlers able to control the most unrully of beasts of burden―such as inixes, mekillots, and korinths―which sometimes turn on their trained handlers. Anyone that has acquired the Mind’s Touch feat can become a cornac, be they commoners, experts or any other class. Cornacs are considered the lowest of psionic practitioners by the academies and schools of the Way, but still receive more respect and better wages than other civil workers. Few other races besides humans and dwarves use massive animals to accomplish tasks and as such do not train cornacs. Cornacs have made of their skills with animals a profession, which they practice on a daily basis, on all hours of the day, often accompanying caravans or armies for long trips. Hit Die: d6. Requirements: To qualify to become a cornac, a character must fulfill all the following criteria. Base attack Bonus: +2. Skills: Handle Animal 5 ranks, Sense Motive 2 ranks. Feat: Mind’s Touch. Class Skills: The cornac’s class skills (and key ability for each skill) are Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge (nature), Profession (cornac), Ride (Dex), Survival (Wis), and Use Rope. Skill Points at Each Level: 2 + Int modifier. |
#7PennarinJul 08, 2005 13:33:42 | Hit Die: d4. Btw, there aren't any PrCs left in 3.5 that give d4s. I've seen that somehwere, a new design policy dating from the start of the Complete series I think. But ask around because I could be wrong. |
#8SysaneJul 08, 2005 13:41:55 | Btw, there aren't any PrCs left in 3.5 that give d4s. I've seen that somehwere, a new design policy dating from the start of the Complete series I think. But ask around because I could be wrong. I've never heard about that Plus, I've seen plenty of 3.5 PrCs that still have d4s. There are 4 in the XPH alone. |
#9the_peacebringerJul 09, 2005 11:57:16 | [i]For the mekillot, korinth, and inix handler I've created the following PrC. Not to dis Sysane's or Nyt's work, but that's what I was talking about. Cool, Pen. |
#10SysaneJul 09, 2005 14:34:25 | Not to dis Sysane's or Nyt's work, but that's what I was talking about. Cool, Pen. None taken. I agree that Pen's is cool for low level NPC's who deal with beasts of burden in the city-states. |
#11PennarinJul 09, 2005 16:24:48 | None taken. I agree that Pen's is cool for low level NPC's who deal with beasts of burden in the city-states. Exactly! My PrC is no hero stuff. Btw its based off of a short story in one of the published adventures, where we meet such an individual. |
#12zombiegleemaxJul 11, 2005 3:18:39 | Well, here's the psionic beastmaster PrC I've been working on. Nice! Although I do agree with Peacebringer, a d6 HD would be more fitting. Vigor is good, but that only goes so far. Have a anyway |
#13zombiegleemaxJul 11, 2005 3:24:38 | For the mekillot, korinth, and inix handler I've created the following PrC. "So its a mind with all the cognitive power of an avacodo, its still a mind." ;) Love the mini-PrC, Penn, and the Mind's Touch feat is nice. Any chances of seeing an expansion of that type of feat in regard to psionic powers? (Especially since I've barred the spell-like feats in Complete Arcane from my DS game. Too high-magic. Psi-like feats would be a nice replacement.) |
#14SysaneJul 11, 2005 7:37:06 | Nice! Although I do agree with Peacebringer, a d6 HD would be more fitting. Vigor is good, but that only goes so far. Have a anyway To justify giving it a d6 (which I don't agree with. The purpose of the PrC is to befriend animals, not fight them), I'd have to either take away some of the manifester levels, or increase the PrC requirements. |
#15zombiegleemaxJul 11, 2005 8:58:50 | To justify giving it a d6 (which I don't agree with. The purpose of the PrC is to befriend animals, not fight them), I'd have to either take away some of the manifester levels, or increase the PrC requirements. Who said anything about fighting animals? In any case, I'd chop the manifester level increase at 4th and 7th levels to make up for it. Just my do as you please. Its your baby, after all (and I still like it). |
#16SysaneJul 11, 2005 9:38:27 | Who said anything about fighting [i]animals/I]? The comments that people have offered in regards to increasing the hit die seems to stem from that the PrC "works" with beasts/animals. I don't see that as a vaild reason for a d6 HD. The PrC is a manifester class first and fore most. In any case, I'd chop the manifester level increase at 4th and 7th levels to make up for it. Just my do as you please. Its your baby, after all (and I still like it) Thanks for the input ;) |
#17PennarinJul 11, 2005 11:02:13 | Love the mini-PrC, Penn, and the Mind's Touch feat is nice. Any chances of seeing an expansion of that type of feat in regard to psionic powers? Another PrC of mine - which I believe is already posted - called the Empath Healer uses a feat called Healer's Heart, which gives use of empathy at will. |
#18the_peacebringerJul 12, 2005 10:28:44 | The comments that people have offered in regards to increasing the hit die seems to stem from that the PrC "works" with beasts/animals. I don't see that as a vaild reason for a d6 HD. The PrC is a manifester class first and fore most. Yeah, I get that. It was just that with d4s, I could easily imagine an agent coming to the Head of a merchant house saying: "Oh yeah, forgot t'tell ya, boss, we gonna need a new beesmaster 'cos ower lass one got squished in the mek'lot pen again." But with Penn's Cornac Prc, everything's all right. |
#19PennarinJul 12, 2005 10:31:25 | /me dodges fast out of the way |
#20SysaneJul 12, 2005 10:43:38 | Yeah, I get that. It was just that with d4s, I could easily imagine an agent coming to the Head of a merchant house saying: Yeah, a maxed out psionic beastmaster with 16d4 that could Vigor for 70 extra hit points would get squished pretty easily huh |
#21nytcrawlrJul 12, 2005 10:48:05 | None taken. I agree that Pen's is cool for low level NPC's who deal with beasts of burden in the city-states. Agreed, plus Sysane's is *much* better than mine anyways. Mine is probably way too simple, and it's been awhile since I touched it, so I will probably just use Sysane's. |
#22SysaneJul 12, 2005 10:51:02 | Agreed, plus Sysane's is *much* better than mine anyways. Thank you kindly. |
#23PennarinJul 12, 2005 11:33:15 | Ok, so we filled two niches with two PrCs: psionic beastmastering and heavy-duty handling of beasts of burden. |
#24zombiegleemaxJul 13, 2005 3:51:52 | Another PrC of mine - which I believe is already posted - called the Empath Healer uses a feat called Healer's Heart, which gives use of empathy at will. OK, I give up :surrender I've looked through the archives three times now, but I can't find it. I remember seeing the thread before too You don't happen to have a link handy, do you Penn? |
#25PennarinJul 13, 2005 11:01:04 | Empath Healer “I feel your pain. Let me take it…” - Ruuna, pterran empath healer Few are the people who have the gift of empathy, known as the healer’s heart. They feel too much of the pain and suffering around them, which often leads them on the path of the healer. Anyone that has acquired the Healer’s Heart feat can become an empath healer, be they commoners, experts or any other class. Empath healers are considered minor psionic practitioners by the psionic academies, but their talent is recognised and respected where ever they travel. All races can become empath healers, although the innate emapthy is most often found among aarakocras, humans and pterrans. The empathy makes them loathe to hurt others, thus this prestige class is never encountered in warriors. The healing path that the empath healer follows is often a family tradition passed on down the generations. NPC empath healers may be found working in temples or accompanying armies in times of conflict, although a few freely take upon themselves the pain of their compatriates and ask nothing in return. Hit Die: d6. Requirements: To qualify to become an empath healer, a character must fulfill all the following criteria. Alignment: Any nonevil. Base Will Save: +4. Skills: Concentration 4 ranks, Heal 8 ranks. Feat: Healer’s Heart. Class Skills: The empath healer’s class skills (and key ability for each skill) are Concentration (Con), Diplomacy (Cha), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Profession (healer) (Wis), and Spot (Wis). Skill Points at Each Level: 4 + Int modifier. |
#26the_peacebringerJul 14, 2005 16:45:10 | Yeah, a maxed out psionic beastmaster with 16d4 that could Vigor for 70 extra hit points would get squished pretty easily huh I guess not, but not everyone could afford to pay a Beastmaster who's maxed out at 16th level. The common folk need trainers too and low level characters could easily get squished by a mekillot's rear end. Again, I am not saying that your Beastmaster is not a good PrC (it is), just that it probably wouldn't be as numourous as the Cornac in a city population. It's more specialized and more PC oriented than Penn's PrC. I'm sorry if I've not been clear enough, Sysane. Yours is a fine PrC. PB |
#27PennarinJul 14, 2005 17:49:34 | Er, I'm way late for saying this but I'm sorry for having partially highjacked your thread Sysane. First I was offereing my own PrC in answer to concerns about yours, proving the two PrCs didn't do the same job, and then I answered Khaine's request to see this lost PrC I once posted. |
#28SysaneJul 14, 2005 19:28:53 | I guess not, but not everyone could afford to pay a Beastmaster who's maxed out at 16th level. The common folk need trainers too and low level characters could easily get squished by a mekillot's rear end. Eh, no big deal. I agree that Penn's PrC would be more common place in the cities and what not than mine. I could even see a NPC starting as a Cornac and later becoming a Psionic Beastmaster. |
#29SysaneJul 14, 2005 19:31:57 | Er, I'm way late for saying this but I'm sorry for having partially highjacked your thread Sysane. Don't worry. I'll take my revenge in another thread :evillaugh Just kidding (or am I? ) |
#30zombiegleemaxJul 15, 2005 1:14:47 | and then I answered Khaine's request to see this lost PrC I once posted. And thank you very much for doing so :D I really like this one too, especially the Empathic Healing and Healer's Strength abilities. Again, its a nice little PrC that picks up some of the "off-screen" roles that most people don't think about. Kudos! Have one on me |
#31PennarinJul 15, 2005 1:25:52 | And thank you very much for doing so :D I really like this one too, especially the Empathic Healing and Healer's Strength abilities. Again, its a nice little PrC that picks up some of the "off-screen" roles that most people don't think about. Kudos! Have one on me Heh :D |
#32SysaneJul 15, 2005 7:38:36 | And the downward spiral of the beastmaster thread continues. I think I'll rename the thread. :P |
#33ruhl-than_sageJul 15, 2005 17:58:15 | Thanks for putting a link to your Racial Paragons in your sig. Maybe now you won't have people asking you were to find them anymore. Maybe ;) |
#34SysaneJul 15, 2005 22:31:07 | Thanks for putting a link to your Racial Paragons in your sig. Maybe now you won't have people asking you were to find them anymore. Maybe ;) Eh, no sweat. I should have put it there sooner. |